2013 - Topic: COLUMBIA STATION, OHIO
days we are being flooded with messages and comments related to the
Columbia Station church in Ohio. Many of these messages seem to be
confusing and contradictional. Putting them on the website just like
that makes our website confusing too, which has already been brought to
our attention. If the readers are keen on discussing the Columbia
Station issues, then we would have to start from the beginning, i.e. we
would first have to explain the following:
- How big is this congregation?
- What is the structure of this congregation
(age, nationality, etc. of its members)?
- Is this congregation conservative or liberal?
- Who is their elder and who are the ministers?
- What is the history of problems and what are
the current issues?
- Are there elements of spiritual and mental abuse? (which is
this site's focus)
somebody from Ohio, let’s say, is willing to provide the answers to
these questions, as a starting point, then we would be able to
post more comments and questions related to the Columbia Station
church. Otherwise, there is no point of sending more and more comments
that readers outside of Ohio and the USA cannot follow. Thank you.
start. How big? It had about 50-60 people I'd say before it fell apart.
Currently 20 total if that. Age? Mostly older, 50s and 60s, but also
plenty of younger couples. Nationality? Almost 100% Romanian. Their
elder? Dave Nikolson from West Akron church. Conservative? In the
outward sense, yes, pretty standard old Nazarene way. Ministers WERE
(they were removed) Pavel Lotrean, Steve Mendrea and John Patrutz.
CURRENT ministers are George Zula, Mike Petras, Peter Oldja, and
Dimitri Popovic. Abuse? Umm... well in a sense, yes, but on the
problems I will let someone else comment as I don't know them in DETAIL
and don't want to give false information. Next! Let the fighting begin!
OUR COMMENT: Thanks.
Please bear in mind that this website is interested in spiritual and mental abuse.
If we establish that there was no such abuse in the Columbia Station
church, then no more comments regarding this congregation will
posted here and all existing comments will be removed.
there anything new that you can tell us on the Sydney court case that
was on the 26th? I thought you guys would have at least something to
say about that.
OUR COMMENT: Do
we know anything about the ongoing Sydney trial? Well, we know everything
about it, but we have to be careful before posting it here because it
is all legally sensitive. Even this website is being discussed in the
court. The only thing we can tell you at this stage is that the hearing
started on Monday and it will probably last till Thursday. A number of
witnesses is to be cross-examined. Paul Pentsa is also there. He will
be cross-examined today or tomorrow. He does not look very happy with
the progress - he walks around the court building with a cynical smile,
waiting to be called inside to testify. That’s all. Please do
send any new questions related to the Sydney court case, we won't be
able to post them here. Thank you for your understanding.
relation to the 'abuse' in Columbia Station I would like to say that
abuse was never present. Brother Dave NEVER tried to
his ideas but always worked with the church, every step of the way.
1 mentioned that 3 ministers were removed. The reasons for the
removal of these ministers should NOT be revealed to the public as it
is between God, and the members of Columbia Station only. Brothers in
Australia responsible for this website, PLEASE stop the discussions
relating to Columbia Station as we currently have peace. Such
unnecessary questioning / discussions could potentially create more
hatred and divisions rather than encouragement!!!
Columbia station topic. It is obvious that their elder is MUCH better
than your elders in Australia, when:
- He is working with the church
- Has cleared the mess and problem makers
- Appointed new ministers
- Maintains peace the BIBLICAL way
- Doesn’t take brother to court
ELDER DAVID... CONGRATULATIONS!!... KEEP IT UP!!
course you have "peace." Everything went your way. Yet you swarmed
around brothers like bees all the way to their cars. All the way until
you forced them to leave. Yet now it's "peace."
5 PLEASE TELL the whole story before it gets taken off this site. It is
obvious that there was major fighting in the church and Dave took sides
and did not do what was right. Please tell what happened.
need David Nicholson to come down to Melbourne to review all ministers
and Paul Pentsa and obviously he will need to appoint a new elder and
the whole place will be a healthier congregation. Could someone please
post Dave's phone number, thank you.
OUR COMMENT: We
cannot post anyone's phone number, it would be unlawful.
think this topic should be removed unless someone explains what
happened. Seems like some are for, some are against. Too confusing.
Some support Dave, some are against. We dont know if he "abused" or
not. So unless this is cleared up, there's no point of keeping the
topic on the website. Just my 2 cents.
we can do the same here, get rid of the elder and his assistants. This
will be a great result and majority would stay and a lot more would
join. Melbourne church needs elder Dave.
ON DAVE AND MELBOURNE!! DAVE IS BANNED FROM THE OTHER ELDERS TO EVEN
TOUCH AUSTRALIAN ISSUES!! ANYWAY HE WOULD JUST MAKE IT WORSE!!
from who? Corrupted person called Paul Pentsa; the one that's at court
now helping to sue the brethren. Bypass Paul Pentsa, he has failed
dramatically as an elder and bring in an elder that's not related that
way. The results would be fair and not discriminated against selected
shameful to see Paul Pentsa at court, the so-called elder of Australian
Nazarene. Time to step down. We do not need a hypocritical elder.
members are against Paul Pentsa and Janko Tomek with the almost any
work they do. We have had enough of their filthy works. Pentsa and
Tomek should be cross-examined in the church. Bullies.
the people from Melbourne who keep commenting for Dave to come to
Australia: You already have a Dave in Australia. His name is Paul
Pentsa. Dave and Doug Savin are friends. That tells you enough.
To the website upkeepers, I ask that you would post one more message
from me on this issue.
the Columbia Station people: please stop pretending you are from
Australia and writing messages like "we need Dave." Ok? There are only
a few of you left in that church and the majority is older and don't
use computers, so it's not hard to deduct who you are.
are 3 churches that like Dave. They are: 1. Geraldine Street church, 2.
Brunswick Hills church, 3. Route 94 Doroslovac church. The reason they
like him is because these churches are now fuller with members because
of what Dave did in Columbia Station. Give me a break. I hear plenty
from the Serbian church on Copley Rd. about Dave. He's the type you
would call if you want your church to go from 60 members to 20.
one of those new ministers in Columbia Station just get released not so
long ago from discipline for beating his wife? It looks like Dave is
just like your Paul.
Columbia Station to comment 3; You have peace now. What peace??
Pretence peace. All the good members had to leave and the bad ones are
in control. First one is Miso Petras then his son Mike and son-in-law
Dimitri. Miso was in Australia making trouble. Where Miso goes trouble
follows. Elder Dave has worked with the church but the sad thing is, he
supported trouble makers just as P.Pentsa support trouble makers too.
Elders are problem in Nazarene churches.
Comment 10 writer:
If Pentsa elder was removed from eldership and still conducting
baptisms, it's sin.
elder visiting and conducting work in another country/church that seeks
his help, is NOT sin. REGARDLESS how many elder bodies state 'no, don't
PLUS, the north American elder body DIDN'T ban any elder from going to
comment 17!!! It's about time there was a good comment on this issue!!!
Also comment 18, I wish this were the case. They didn’t ban anyone any
one from going to Australia, but they did ban them from getting
involved in work over there. I bet Paul cleared up that issue nicely
with his brother in Florida. Comment 16: You are spot-on. Any thoughts
that Dave would "clear up" Australia is mostly rubbish.
excellent comments. I'm sick of the comments praising Dave. But it’s
about morning time in Columbia Station, or soon will be, so expect the
positive Dave comments to start rolling in!
worry about those troubled souls that have left elder Dave, we can only
pray for them, and for the ones in Melbourne and Sydney Australia we
will pray for your churches until there is a change in leadership that
is urgently required.
COMMENT 22 (in Serbian):
da napisem nekoliko reci za Columbia Station sa Bozijom pomoci hocu da
pisem da sta se desilo u Julu 14. kad su potvrdili 4 sluge. Nisu radili
kao kad su se primile na probu, su bili glasani na papir i su primili
tako i je bilo dobro i nisu rekli da treba sa ustajanjem a sada kad se
podvrdili sluge radili kao u Evropi sa ustajanjem posto dve sluge se
culo da ako nece da odlazu. Jel Gospod hoce takve sluge da propovedaju
Boziju rec? Zalosno je za taj narod koji treba njih da slusa. Ako ocedu
kao u Evropu, u Evropu se ne stavu sluge koji nije zenjen. To sta se
govori za Columbia Station to je istina u tu skupstinu nikad nise
radilo ni sa staresinama ni sa slugama, to je bila prevara. I nisu usli
kako treba, nego su skocili preko ograde. Braco iz Colubia Station
nijedna skupstina nema takve sluge kao vi sta vi imate. Sta se radilo u
Columbia Station nece da se zaboravi dugo. Skinuli stare sluge i
postavili nove sluge koji ne znaju da vode Bozji nazarenski narod. I
ovo sta pisem ovo je istina i ja poznajem dobro ovu bracu i sestre koji
su odlazili i koji su ostali molim ako neko moze da prevede na engleski
jezik da svi razumeju.
translate the above comment. This person is commenting to the person
who said Nazarenes never voted on paper and its a new tradition. The
comment (I'll refer to comment 22 as a "he") says "be consistent". They
were voted in on trial WITH BALLOTS, so that means they should be
confirmed with ballots. He says 2 of the ministers threatened to leave
if they weren't voted on by the "standing up" method. Does God want
that kind of minister? If they want to do it like in Europe, then they
shouldn't put up single brothers either because they don't do it like
that in Europe. He is saying that they jumped over the fence and got in
the ministry the wrong way. Brothers in Columbia Station: not one
church has ministers like you have. What you did will take a long time
to be forgotten. You put up ministers who don't know how to lead God's
people. Everything I write here is the truth and I know these brothers
very well, the ones who stayed and the ones who left. If someone could
please translate this into English so all may understand.
22, vrlo ste lepo napisali i slazem se da je istina. A da li mozete
malo reci od cega je dosla ta svadja da su morali jako puno da pobegnu
u razne skupstine. Znamo svi da je bilo jake svadje i znam tu i tamo
sta se desilo a treba neko da napise bas sve sta se desilo. Bilo je
jako puno suza i zalosti u Columbia Station.
Comment 22 is written very well and it's the truth, however, can you
write in more detail what happened to lead to this divide that so many
people had to leave the church. Lots of tears were shed and lots of
heartaches in Columbia Station.
have read comments made about the Church at Columbia Station but it is
still not clear to me what happened and importantly "why" it happened.
Could someone with a neutral opinion please explain. Is it abuse or
injustice or simple struggle for power?
we really even need to know what is going on in Columbia Station
church? What does this have to do with us in Australia? I know
said this website is about abuse, etc, but let the people in America
have their own website to discuss this. We cannot get involved in their
church problems, just like they cannot get involved in ours. I thought
this was a website to target things here, not overseas. I
mind hearing that other churches have problems, and there might be
abuse over there as well, as there is no church without problems, but I
think we should stay focused on things here. I remember something being
said about this website, that you only put "facts" on here. So far,
regarding the Columbia Station church, I have not heard any "facts". We
still don't know what is going on, but we just have a lot of people
saying they are either for or against the Elder. And the same for
Mexico, or San Diego. So if people want to say something, at least give
the facts that are true. And even if we DID know all the facts, we
certainly cannot do anything about it. Sorry, but this is just my
thought. I just feel there is a lot of talk on here about Columbia
Station, and we could keep talking for ages, but nothing will solve it.
If people in American have issues with their Elders and leaders, they
should take it up with the members there.
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