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ACCN Forum | Discrimination - Columbia Station Church

Mike Petras
USA
15 Jan 2017 23:08

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Dear ACCN Australia Website Moderator,

I would like to ask you if you can please attach my documents to your website, whether as another topic "Discrimination - Columbia Station Church" or as a continuation of the existing topic. This is how Mr Petar Stefan and Doral Stefan used ACCN Columbia Station church collection funds to close the church.

Thank you,

Mike Petras
mikepetras07@gmail.com



Complete document:
http://www.accn-australia.com/Forum/Documents/ColumbiaStation03.pdf


No words!
Australia
16 Jan 2017 1:11

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Is anyone going to do anything about this?

CURIOUS
USA
16 Jan 2017 8:27

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1 Corinthians 6King James Version (KJV)

6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

Apostle Paul
Australia
16 Jan 2017 9:46

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From Apostle Paul: “Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience” (v. 5). We should obey civil laws not only because the civil government might punish us if we don’t, but also because God wants us to be law-abiding people (cf. 1 Peter 2:12-14).

The word of God doesn’t give you permission to commit a crime of theft. David Nikolson, the Steffans and the elders that took part in stealing Columbia Station are not above the law or God’s law. This is a crime and you can’t take verses from the bible and attack those who were kicked out of their place of worship.

Who are you serving? Are you afraid of man that you don’t speak up to the wrong that was done in theft? They’re going to profit from a church that they conspired amongst themselves to steal and cause discord amongst the original church members.

You really surprise me America!


Apostle Paul
Australia
16 Jan 2017 9:56

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What did Apostle Paul do when there was corruption amongst the brethren? Who did he go to?
This isn’t a little thing to steal something that isn’t yours and punish those who you stole from- Remember the widows and the children you kicked out?
This seems to be a religion where you’re serving and fearing man, where the elders are your “God” and the “authority of the church”.Wow are the elders that scary that they have that much power over you that you take their wrath over the wrath of God?



CURIOUS
USA
16 Jan 2017 11:20

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Clearly by all the evidence presented, Stefan Sr. and Stefan Jr. stole the Columbia Station church. They have gotton away with it in this world using the earthly laws but they won't and can't run and hide from God. Vengence is mine, saith the Lord.
If David Nikolson made that happen by putting them as church treasurers, church trustees and handed the title of the church to these two WITHOUT the knowledge and support of the church then he has a hand in the church theft and he should resign or be removed as Elder.
If the elder committee gave Mr Petras the authority to persue the Stefans in court and sue for the church as accused. Please provide a letter of such. Otherwise it is not believable.

george bodjanac
Australia
16 Jan 2017 12:41

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Brother George.
repent from this sin:

Proverbs 17:15

He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.

CURIOUS
USA
16 Jan 2017 13:01

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Brother George? He is not guilty in anything. David Nikolson was the serving elder of Columbia Station. All this all took place under Davids watch!

repentance
Australia
16 Jan 2017 13:10

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in the letter to petras, bodjanac is condemning columbia station members, and justifying the elder committee

that is what he needs to repent from

david needs to repent also from his sin

supporting the wrong
Australia
16 Jan 2017 13:59

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David or the Stefans, or anyone else, would not have SO much power, if the Elder committee and other real Elders would stand up against the error, wrong and sinful actions.

Because people like David who supported the Stefans, "in the wrong" or George that supported the Elder Committee, "in the wrong", that is why its SO hard for the Church/s and its members who are in the "right".

Ezekiel 14:7-11

7. For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the Lord will answer him by myself:

8. And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

9. And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

10. And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him;

11. That the house of Israel may go no more astray from me, neither be polluted any more with all their transgressions; but that they may be my people, and I may be their God, saith the Lord God.



man of sin
Australia
16 Jan 2017 14:02

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2 Thessalonians 2:3,4

3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Reply
USA
16 Jan 2017 14:11

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To "Apostole Paul"....why do you keep scolding them for not "speaking up?" That's already a number of times you have said it. What can they do when the elders don't care and they washed their hands from it?? What do you mean "you surprise me, America"?? They stole the church in Melbourne too. What can the church do??? NOTHING...IT'S GONE. You can speak up all you want, the church is GONE JUST LIKE ALTONA

disobey elders
Australia
16 Jan 2017 15:29

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ATT ALL:

do NOT obey elders unconditionally.

this is why....

Deuteronomy 18:18-22

18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

20. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?

22. When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.


Moderator
Australia
17 Jan 2017 9:32

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George Bodjanac sent us the following e-mail:

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:24 AM, George Bodjanac wrote:

Please remove the email I sent to Mike Petras from your website immediately. I did not approve for it to be placed there.

Thank you,
George

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Moderator
Australia
17 Jan 2017 9:33

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Mr. Bodjanac, are you talking about this e-mail?



No, we won't remove it.

Why are you advising your brother to humble himself and ask the elders for forgiveness?

If you are a victim of abuse you do not need to do anything, let alone to ask for forgiveness those who abused you.

It would be like asking the victims of Buchenwald to apologize to the Nazis and "make peace" with them.

Victims do not need do to anything, but those who abused them need to repent and make steps towards the reconciliation.


Reply
USA
17 Jan 2017 11:01

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George is not at fault here. It's Dave. George doesn't wish for the brothers to be punished, that's all. They were punished because they took the matter to court, I believe. The Stefans and Dave are to blame, not George.

spiritual abuse
Australia
17 Jan 2017 11:26

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George is not in fault for David's and for the Stefans' actions.

Then, he shouldnt support their sinful actions either.
nor
Support the elders that put a punishment on the innocent either.

Did George email the elders to remove the punishment on the columbia station members?

Did George email the elders and tell them to apologise for putting the punishment on the innocent?

Did George email the elders to put a punishment on the guilty?

THIS IS A FORM OF "SPIRITUAL ABUSE", when you punish the innocent.

THIS ACTION IS AN "ABOMINATION" in God's eyes. Proverbs 17:15

Its these type of people that make it HARDER for justice to happen, when they support the guilty.
and
Mind you, the INNOCENT has to apologise??

Are people THAT blind??

abuse means:
1. to use wrongly or improperly
2. to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way
3. to speak insultingly, harshly, and unjustly
4. to deceive or mislead.

Reply
USA
17 Jan 2017 11:29

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How is one "innocent" when he transgresses the Word of God by taking a brother to court? That is not "abuse" that they were punished. Both parties are in the wrong.

reply
Australia
17 Jan 2017 11:35

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both parties in the wrong?

well, both weren't put under punishment.

meaning, the elders are in the wrong, AGAIN!



Reply
USA
17 Jan 2017 11:38

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I in no way support the Stefans or David. But let's be real here...peace and love does not exactly follow Miso Petras. I'm sure the brothers in Australia can agree with that statement.

It's good they were punished. They totally went against scripture (as did the other group). YES EVEN IF THEY STEAL THE CHURCH it's wrong to take them to court. And don't ask the question"well what if they took YOUR house?" If they did, the SCRIPTUAL THING to do would be to give it to him (I'm not saying any of us actually would do that, but yes, it's the scriptual thing to do)

Moderator
Australia
17 Jan 2017 11:40

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Mr. Bodjanac was, or still is, a part of the system.

He and other US elders have appointed Mr. Pentsa to be the elder here in Australia, and later refused to remove him from his post although it became more than obvious that Mr. Pentsa is totaly unfit for that job.

There is a proverb in Latin - "Cornix cornici oculos non effodiet". In Serbian it says "Vrana vrani oci ne vadi" and in English "A crow doesn't rip out the eyes of another crow", or maybe better "No crow picks on another crow".

Mr. Bodjanac is one of the crows.

understood
Australia
17 Jan 2017 11:43

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ok, understood.

you should contact all involved and admonish each one's errors.

the Elder's, George, Stefans and Misha Petras for each of their error's.

the Elders should be more punished, for allowing them to proceed with the court process then too!!!
and
AT THE SAME TIME, while coming to Australia in February, likewise punish PENTSA & TOMEK for doing the same in Australia.



please update
Australia
17 Jan 2017 11:45

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let us know the outcome when you admonish them all.

Reply
USA
17 Jan 2017 11:47

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To understood: Hey, I agree. They should ALL be punished because they are ALL going against the Word of God. No argument with you there. And to the moderator: I also agree with you. The elders are just one big buddy system and they are all afraid what will be exposed on them, that's why they're all keeping quiet about all of David's lawsuits.

Reply
USA
17 Jan 2017 11:48

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And for the record, I don't believe Miso that they elders told him to sue. He's lying.

supply info
Australia
17 Jan 2017 11:55

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can we have the letter or information allowing the court process by the elders?

it sounded like they wanted the church brought from the Stefans ownership, back to a normal church gathering service level.

they were not sue-ing the Stefans for any reason, just trying to reverse their ability to take over, and sell the church.

Misho
Australia
17 Jan 2017 14:20

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Misho, do not allow the bullies "elders and theft supporters" to manipulate, bully, threaten or harass you.
Thank you for exposing the truth. Praying for you all and I'm sorry this happened.

Reply
USA
17 Jan 2017 14:50

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Yeah, Miso, don't let the elders harass you. Just keep on being peaceable, kind, loving, gentle and, as usual, just swallow what everyone says without a word of retaliation. Just as you've always done.....

Columbia Station
Australia
17 Jan 2017 15:08

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You that is supporting Misha who are you anyway? I know no one that thinks like you. Look what he did here....then he ran away to USA. The only reason he's fighting against the elders is because now that his church is closed he has no other church that will accept him.

What David did to that church is horrible though. He tore it to shreds.

Columbia
USA
17 Jan 2017 15:44

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What Dave did in Columbia Station was drop a lit match into a barrel of gasoline. Then when the whole city of Cleveland exploded, he said, "I want nothing to do with this church anymore." Well wait a minute, where are the other popes to make him accountable???????

Columbia Station
Australia
17 Jan 2017 16:15

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Calm down MIso!Every end has it's beginning. You are the beginning, and now this is your end. Every one that attended this church in the past can testify how this problem started. when YOU and STEFAN were good bodies and turn against others. Elders are to blame only for that part they didn't take any action towards both of U that time.
Stop blaming Elders for your disorderly manner, especially George Bodjanac who gave u nice advice.
U can trick only those that don't know u,but the one who knows u,not buying.

TO: "REPLY"
Australia
17 Jan 2017 16:40

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ATT: "Reply"

see evidence in letters sent by Mike Petras, under

"Elders Involvement"

so Misha WASNT lying.

TO: Mike
Australia
17 Jan 2017 16:41

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Thanks Mike Petras for supplying letters.

...
USA
17 Jan 2017 16:41

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in response to the last comment posted, Miso has not commented since the beginning, perhaps you are confusing the writers of the comments.

explaination
Australia
17 Jan 2017 17:18

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Mike Petras posted the letters regarding the Columbia Station situation and the Elders allowing the court process.
It doesnt matter who posted the letter/s.
It doesnt matter whether Misha has or has not commented on the last comment, or first comment.
We all know that it refers to the Columbia Station situation which include Misha too.
There is not confusion with the writer/s nor the comment/s.
Its, do we really want to ACCEPT the facts, that the Elder/s are in fault here with allowing the court process, and THEN putting a punishment on the Columbia Station members for not pulling out of the court process.


ELDERS COMMOTEE
Australia
17 Jan 2017 17:53

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Elders letter dated Oct.24-2016 was posted before on Columbia Station "A church theft"
It clearly states Elders Committee did not authorized Petras's to file civil litigation.
"Explaination" Please show the letter Elders allowing the court process.
This message was posted here number of times.

Dedication to God
Australia
17 Jan 2017 22:24

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Columbia Station church building was dedicated to God not to the Steffans and David. The members that built the church and put their money and sweat into it probably never thought that their hard work and efforts will end up going to Steffans and David. Stealing is a sin.

ELDER COMMOTEE (SIC)
Australia
17 Jan 2017 22:45

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>>>>>ELDERS COMMOTEE (SIC)
What date was the recording with the elder committee?

To: Columbia Station
Australia
17 Jan 2017 23:10

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which letter is it that shows the elders authorising the court case?

Reply
USA
18 Jan 2017 0:15

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I'm sorry but I fail to see how those letters prove that the elders authorized the lawsuit. Dont tell me "the real question is whether or not I want to accept the facts." Because according to the FACTS (documents), he was NOT authorized to file a lawsuit. Anyone who cant see that in the letters cannot read English. The fact that the lawyers letter says "we did what they asked" means nothing. Of course the lawyer will stick up for Misa. Thats why Misa paid him 60k. The elders letter proves my point exactly.

Hey USA
Australia
18 Jan 2017 0:26

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There are recordings...

Columbia Station
Australia
18 Jan 2017 1:12

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So what if there are recordings? Since when does Misha listen to the elders anyway? Until the recordings are posted, I will not believe that the elders gave him permission to sue the Stefans, or "Nazarene Inc." or whatever they sued. True, IF they did give him permission to sue and then punished him that's wrong. However, he should have been punished a long time ago anyway. He was buddy buddy with the Stefans.

Link
USA
18 Jan 2017 1:37

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http://www.chroniclet.com/cops-and-courts/2015/11/20/Church-sues-three-trustees-alleging-they-tried-to-take-over-building.html

What does it matter?
Australia
18 Jan 2017 1:37

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Who cares about your opinion and thoughts on Misha, obviously you don't like him!
A church was stolen, a crime was committed, elders are involved, a cover up was done, now someone needs to be accountable for the theft!

Clear your name
Australia
18 Jan 2017 1:48

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to "so what if there are recordings?"

The recording/s should be posted on YouTube to clear up the lies about Misa.

Columbia Station
Australia
18 Jan 2017 2:06

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Actually lots of people care about Misha because there's somebody on here who's portraying him as a saint. It's probably Misha himself. He totally has 100% to do with this situation.

"Someone needs to be accountable for the theft?" Yeah, that'll happen when pigs grow wings and fly.

Reply
Australia
18 Jan 2017 2:16

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Pigs grow wings and fly with God, for all things are possible with Him and to those who trust in Him.

Misha will be held accountable for his actions, as will you, as will I and as will the church thieves and the elders and members involved in stealing Columbia Station.

Columbia Station
Australia
18 Jan 2017 2:25

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Absolutely they will be, and we all will be. But that's not the point of this website. The point of this website is that the abusers should not be leaders anymore (elders). My point is, it probably won't work. No one will be held accountable (on earth) and things will go on as normal and the Stefans will enjoy their money while the widows from Columbia Station have to go to other churches. And whether or not the elders want to admit it, it's their fault. Mainly David's.

Psalm 118:8
Australia
18 Jan 2017 2:36

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It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.


Use LOGIC!
Australia
18 Jan 2017 8:14

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How is Misha "totally 100% responsible" for stealing Columbia Station? Will he profit from the sale of the church?
So I can kill someone today and the other person "the corps" is at fault because I killed him and had cause to take his life?
You have NO logic people!

Apology
Australia
18 Jan 2017 8:19

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Let the Corps apologise for you killing him... "that make perfect sense"

Columbia Station
Australia
18 Jan 2017 9:56

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Mr.Stefan! What manner of Christian do you portray?
Take the property others pay for it. You didn't. "It's a big sin".

Misho didn't pay for it either; It doesn't belong to neither of u.
But if Misho will have it in his hand,than he would praise the Elders.
That's how we humans are.

To Australia
USA
18 Jan 2017 10:55

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If you only knew the truth, the good reason Mr.Stefan took the church
let Mr.Stefan explain where deed was supposed to go to stop the arguing

'To Aust.'
Germany
18 Jan 2017 11:06

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Since you seem to know, fill us in!

Reply
USA
18 Jan 2017 13:04

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Excuse me? Are you saying Mr. Stefan had a REASON to steal a building, and that THE HOUSE OF THE LORD????

house of the Lord
Australia
18 Jan 2017 13:11

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this is MINE!!

people are completely LOST, when you repeat this saying.

when someone puts money into a church, its NOT yours anymore.

its the LORD'S house, not mine!!

how many people STILL cannot see this?????

the trustee's do not own the Church, by having their names there.

does that mean, that the treasurer's of the Church can take the money and do whatever they want with the Church's money? just because they want to? because they have a responsibility to be treasurer/s, then they are granted owners of the money?




God's Church
USA
18 Jan 2017 13:47

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To house of God, you are right, but all those that gave for the church are not asking for a refund. All they are saying is Stefans stole the church from under them. They lost there place of worship. That is the whole argument here.
It's just human nature to add to the fact that Stefan did not help build nor fund the church yet Dave Nikolson handed him the title. Since there was obvious furious discore in the church the title should have gone to the ACC Foundation to be protected. To take it upon THEMSELVES to close a church is unconscionable.

TO 'Reply' There is no justification in stealing the church.

Gods Church
Australia
18 Jan 2017 14:08

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to Gods Church...

how come the Elders dont see this then?

"Elders"
Australia
18 Jan 2017 14:22

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could it be that the Elders can change, alter, lie, misconduct, misbehave, deceive, manipulate, be cunning, act vicious

AND

NOT be accountable to the Church, because they are:

- lords
- double anointed (meaning can do whatever they want to, and be automatically forgiven on the spot)
- chiefs
- non-blameable
- unquestionable
- unfailing
- faultless
- infallible



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