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DAVID NIKOLSON: Not my fault!
We have received the following message from Mike Petras, USA:
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Today we heard David Nikolson justified himself at Akron church regarding his dishonored checks.
He blamed the cashier for dishonored checks and David said that Mihal joined unbeliever from Australia "website" and he blamed Misa for all Columbia Station church problems.
We believe David is forcing himself to go to Australia we do not know the reasons.
Thank the Lord and you.
Mike Petras
mikepetras07@gmail.com
We have received this e-mail from a US visitor:
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I have been a member of the ACCN for 35 yrs
In the West Akron congregation
I have never known the elders weather local or from other churches to be any other way than you portrayed them on the website.
Our local church has been devastated all those years by terrible leadership and un-Biblical examples.
Instead of being Christlike and examples of service, they serve themselves and destroy the flock.
We are trying to deal with one elder now, David, who is by far the worst one I’ve seen never coming to contact with, he has no conscience and willfully sins.
Our churches need to get back to scripture and teach who Christ worse, totally selfless and serving, that’s why I like a lot of examples that you showed from Scripture, the only way to deal with him is with God‘s word.
I will send you information as soon as that happens right now are waiting for a big meeting with our local congregation to deal with David.
PS. Paul Pentsa was in our church, he was up front but didn’t preach.
From reading some comments above it sounds like Dave was caught lying to the ministers and the elder committee for 10 months vehemently denying the charges against him. It was only when presented with proof that Dave admitted that he was indeed lying. (Mind you he is an Elder) LYING. He would still be spewing that lie if not presented with proof. It seems the West Akron members have know for years that Dave is a narcissistic pathological liar. Question is... will the committee do what is right and just before God or will they protect their own.
If it is true that a meeting will be held Sunday then we wait and see.
- Topic closed -
DAVID NIKOLSON: Not my fault!
Moderator
Australia
Australia
30 Jan 2017 11:25
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We have received the following message from Mike Petras, USA:
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Today we heard David Nikolson justified himself at Akron church regarding his dishonored checks.
He blamed the cashier for dishonored checks and David said that Mihal joined unbeliever from Australia "website" and he blamed Misa for all Columbia Station church problems.
We believe David is forcing himself to go to Australia we do not know the reasons.
Thank the Lord and you.
Mike Petras
mikepetras07@gmail.com
Moderator
Australia
Australia
30 Jan 2017 11:42
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One more information, from a different source:
(note: "today" = Sunday)
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Today West Akron voted almost unanimously to continue to be in full support of Dave Nikolson. Truth doesn't matter.
(note: "today" = Sunday)
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Today West Akron voted almost unanimously to continue to be in full support of Dave Nikolson. Truth doesn't matter.
known reasons
Australia
Australia
30 Jan 2017 13:08
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13594 views
bible answers questions:
2 Thessalonians 2:
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
att: "liars"
Australia
Australia
30 Jan 2017 13:12
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in the verses below (TWO) of the (SIX) talk about lies:
- lying tongue
- false witness that speaketh lies
Proverbs 6:
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
- lying tongue
- false witness that speaketh lies
Proverbs 6:
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Moderator
Australia
Australia
30 Jan 2017 13:42
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And what initiated that voting in West Akron?
evidence please
Australia
Australia
30 Jan 2017 22:19
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13472 views
re.
Today West Akron voted almost unanimously to continue to be in full support of Dave Nikolson. Truth doesn't matter.
it would be hard to believe this with "zero" evidence, knowing people are viewing the website.
please supply details.
if it sounds true, ALL letters should be posted to each member of Akron, at their street address, so its known that they DO get it.
Today West Akron voted almost unanimously to continue to be in full support of Dave Nikolson. Truth doesn't matter.
it would be hard to believe this with "zero" evidence, knowing people are viewing the website.
please supply details.
if it sounds true, ALL letters should be posted to each member of Akron, at their street address, so its known that they DO get it.
Corruption
Australia
Australia
31 Jan 2017 11:08
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Seriously? Miahl has joined an unbelieving group? Was this really mentioned? The ACCN sticks of corruption. I pray the whole world watches and that God reveals the full blown truth. Keep the faith and don't stop praying. Everything is possible with God, He will help you in His perfect time.
Akron meeting
Australia
Australia
31 Jan 2017 11:27
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note:
was the vote held with ALL the members, or only with a particular part of the members?
who called the meeting?
were all members called to the meeting?
this sounds like Tomek style meeting with only those called that will vote positive for HIM.
was the vote held with ALL the members, or only with a particular part of the members?
who called the meeting?
were all members called to the meeting?
this sounds like Tomek style meeting with only those called that will vote positive for HIM.
Moderator
Australia
Australia
31 Jan 2017 11:44
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Dave seems to be a cheeky guy, just like PP and JT.
If you dare criticize him, you are an 'unbeliever'. The proven formula :)
If you dare criticize him, you are an 'unbeliever'. The proven formula :)
just try
Australia
Australia
31 Jan 2017 12:40
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13304 views
just try and admonish an elder, and you will be the prey....
Isaiah 59:15
Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
Isaiah 59:15
Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
judgement
Australia
Australia
31 Jan 2017 13:16
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13289 views
judgement today or on the last day.
which is better to go through judgement for your sin?
today or on the last day?
which is more beneficial?
1 Timothy 5:24
24. Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
which is better to go through judgement for your sin?
today or on the last day?
which is more beneficial?
1 Timothy 5:24
24. Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
Reader NY
USA
USA
31 Jan 2017 13:36
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13281 views
With Dave companies close down and money goes missing. People get discriminated and fired for being black. Churches close and money from the bank account goes missing. Widows, women, children and members get kicked out of church and discriminated against. And David is NEVER at fault!
1 way out....
Australia
Australia
31 Jan 2017 13:48
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13273 views
TO:
Pentsa, Tomek, David, and all others, there is only one answer for you all....................
James 5:16
16 Confess your faults one to another..........
Pentsa, Tomek, David, and all others, there is only one answer for you all....................
James 5:16
16 Confess your faults one to another..........
Correction
USA
USA
14 Jun 2018 12:03
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I would like to make a correction as I feel lead by the Lord to apologize to the minority members of W. Akron church. I strongly believe that not all members of W. Akron are “Supporting” David Nikolson. There are still brethren that care for the truth and are calling David out on his behavior. May the Lord Bless and help you brothers of W. Akron.
Mike Petras
Mike Petras
??
USA
USA
14 Jun 2018 20:30
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11187 views
Something's fishy.................
Golden Rule
USA
USA
16 Jun 2018 14:21
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11053 views
David you cannot repent and make restitution in your position as an elder/leader. When you deliberately targeted a brother and put him under discipline to get what you wanted with the Stephan’s (CS church deed). Brother Jon Patrutz died under your and Petar and Dorel’s Stephan’s discipline. Why wasn’t he reinstated as a free brother and reinstated in the ministry? Why wasn’t he forgiven after he handed you the church deed and asked you, the Stephan’s and Trian Mohan three times for forgiveness before the church and had also written a letter asking for forgiveness? This brother was abused and bullied and died under your discipline. So when you ask for forgiveness what do you want in return? Did you forget about the Golden Rule?
TO: David Nickolson
Australia
Australia
16 Jun 2018 22:21
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Leviticus 19:35-36
'You shall do no wrong in judgment, in measurement of weight, or capacity. 'You shall have just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin; I am the LORD your God, who brought you out from the land of Egypt.
Proverbs 20:10
Differing weights and differing measures, Both of them are abominable to the LORD.
Proverbs 11:1
A false balance is an abomination to the LORD, But a just weight is His delight.
Matthew 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Proverbs 6:16-19
16. These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
'You shall do no wrong in judgment, in measurement of weight, or capacity. 'You shall have just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin; I am the LORD your God, who brought you out from the land of Egypt.
Proverbs 20:10
Differing weights and differing measures, Both of them are abominable to the LORD.
Proverbs 11:1
A false balance is an abomination to the LORD, But a just weight is His delight.
Matthew 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Proverbs 6:16-19
16. These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
To: ??
20 Jun 2018 4:27
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Something sound fishy??
It's sad to see when someone apologises that it's frown upon.
Is there no such thing as forgiveness in the Holy book??
To Mike, I'm proud of you. When one realises they have said something or done something wrong and they apologise and ask God and the person/s for forgiveness, it pleases God. That is what we are called to do on this earth. Die daily. Make correction where and when needed. And serve and shine God's light.
It's sad to see when someone apologises that it's frown upon.
Is there no such thing as forgiveness in the Holy book??
To Mike, I'm proud of you. When one realises they have said something or done something wrong and they apologise and ask God and the person/s for forgiveness, it pleases God. That is what we are called to do on this earth. Die daily. Make correction where and when needed. And serve and shine God's light.
to: Bro.Mike
Australia
Australia
20 Jun 2018 14:24
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thats the ONLY way a person can be healed from their error.
James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. ....
well done Bro.Mike!!
good to see peoples consciences are awake.
James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. ....
well done Bro.Mike!!
good to see peoples consciences are awake.
Scatter
USA
USA
23 Jun 2018 16:20
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A handful of the West Akron brothers have been battling with David Nikolson’s behavior for quite some time now, to the point where a few weeks ago David had confessed to the accusations brought to him. He had been denying the accusations for 10 months until an email was presented to him with his name on it; this made it difficult for him to lie further so he confessed.
David confessed that he assisted a family to leave the West Akron Church and to move to another church because of the West Akron Church order regarding marriage into different denominations. He also said that there were brothers trying to stop the wedding because they hated that family and his children. He justified supporting the wedding by stating that the elders were forcing him to do the wedding.
Also the West Akron meeting that took place to keep David Nikolson as an elder was done unethically and without the West Akron church members full knowledge of the truth; they were mislead.
David Nikolson has not confessed to the assisting of the closure of the Columbia Station Church, however based on his ability to lie for 10 months until evidence was presented shows that he has the ability to sin at will with no conscious and with no fear of the consequences that follow.
To the members who support David Nikolson: Does a Spiritual Leader scatter his sheep?
David confessed that he assisted a family to leave the West Akron Church and to move to another church because of the West Akron Church order regarding marriage into different denominations. He also said that there were brothers trying to stop the wedding because they hated that family and his children. He justified supporting the wedding by stating that the elders were forcing him to do the wedding.
Also the West Akron meeting that took place to keep David Nikolson as an elder was done unethically and without the West Akron church members full knowledge of the truth; they were mislead.
David Nikolson has not confessed to the assisting of the closure of the Columbia Station Church, however based on his ability to lie for 10 months until evidence was presented shows that he has the ability to sin at will with no conscious and with no fear of the consequences that follow.
To the members who support David Nikolson: Does a Spiritual Leader scatter his sheep?
to scatter
USA
USA
24 Jun 2018 12:25
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10636 views
Has the West Akron Church taken action against Dave N.? The church put him in and the church needs to remove him. Don't wait for the elders to act. They will not.
Scatter
USA
USA
24 Jun 2018 13:03
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10632 views
In addition to my comment above should the committee elders contact you bothers I caution you to be in much prayer when communicating with them and to have multiple witnesses. It has been our unfortunate experience to witness a brother being falsely accused of wanting to get physical with one of the committee Elders during a Brunswick Hills meeting. Words were also twisted and original demands from the Committee Elders where after denied.
Mike Petras
Mike Petras
Yes
USA
USA
24 Jun 2018 14:20
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The elder committee is very good and wanting you to say certain things and then washing their hands from everything. They twist people's words, they deny plain Biblical truths just so they can push their own agenda. Real problems are not dealt with. They are ignored and the one coming to the elder committee with a petition is ALWAYS the one who in the end will be blamed. Its all a sham. Their goal is to keep their club and they will support any elders and will probably even give their lives to support one another. Because they are very aware that if one elder goes down, it could very well begin a movement in all the churches where the general members say "enough" with their fake leadership. And their only goal is being on top, not the actual faith.
serious action
Australia
Australia
24 Jun 2018 23:13
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this is the answer for the members of West Akron how to take "SERIOUS" action "FAST"......"DO NOT WAIT"
step 1 (matthew 18: 15-17)
15. Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
step 2 (if he doesn't step down as an elder) (Titus 3:10)
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
step 3 (if he doesn't accept to be removed from Eldership)
choose your own elder for West Akron
step 4
TOTALLY ignore him, do not talk to him, do not hold meetings with him, do not try and get in a conversation with him, do not visit him, do you accept him in your home if he wants to visit you.
TOTALLY avoid him.
"DO NOT" participate if he wants to hold a sermon. "WALK OUT"
"DO NOT" participate in any spiritually work of the Church if he attempts to, "WALK OUT".
"DO NOT TOLERATE" this injustice. YOU ALL NEED TO STAND UP!!!!!
Romans 16:17
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
2 John
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Thessalonians 3:
14. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2 Thessalonians 3:
6. Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
step 1 (matthew 18: 15-17)
15. Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
step 2 (if he doesn't step down as an elder) (Titus 3:10)
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
step 3 (if he doesn't accept to be removed from Eldership)
choose your own elder for West Akron
step 4
TOTALLY ignore him, do not talk to him, do not hold meetings with him, do not try and get in a conversation with him, do not visit him, do you accept him in your home if he wants to visit you.
TOTALLY avoid him.
"DO NOT" participate if he wants to hold a sermon. "WALK OUT"
"DO NOT" participate in any spiritually work of the Church if he attempts to, "WALK OUT".
"DO NOT TOLERATE" this injustice. YOU ALL NEED TO STAND UP!!!!!
Romans 16:17
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
2 John
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Thessalonians 3:
14. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2 Thessalonians 3:
6. Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
Moderator
Australia
Australia
25 Jun 2018 11:07
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10520 views
This is an excellent comment, it's all there and gives us the essence of all problems in the church.
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The elder committee is very good and wanting you to say certain things and then washing their hands from everything. They twist people's words, they deny plain Biblical truths just so they can push their own agenda. Real problems are not dealt with. They are ignored and the one coming to the elder committee with a petition is ALWAYS the one who in the end will be blamed. Its all a sham. Their goal is to keep their club and they will support any elders and will probably even give their lives to support one another. Because they are very aware that if one elder goes down, it could very well begin a movement in all the churches where the general members say "enough" with their fake leadership. And their only goal is being on top, not the actual faith.
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The elder committee is very good and wanting you to say certain things and then washing their hands from everything. They twist people's words, they deny plain Biblical truths just so they can push their own agenda. Real problems are not dealt with. They are ignored and the one coming to the elder committee with a petition is ALWAYS the one who in the end will be blamed. Its all a sham. Their goal is to keep their club and they will support any elders and will probably even give their lives to support one another. Because they are very aware that if one elder goes down, it could very well begin a movement in all the churches where the general members say "enough" with their fake leadership. And their only goal is being on top, not the actual faith.
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elders' attack
Australia
Australia
25 Jun 2018 11:48
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10506 views
Isaiah 59:15
Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey. The LORD looked and was displeased that there was no justice.
Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey. The LORD looked and was displeased that there was no justice.
Yes
USA
USA
25 Jun 2018 13:32
10490 views
10490 views
At least you guys in Australia can stand up and speak your mind against bad leadership, we cant even do that. They shut our mouths and make US out to be the troublemakers when we point out THEIR lies and THEIR crap leadership. If you dont become a liar like the elders then you are bad and then "all of a sudden" they start punishing. Meanwhile otherwise they never punish; sin is rampant in the church and they dont do a thing about it. Its when you point out their lies ...then the rod comes out.
Moderator
Australia
Australia
25 Jun 2018 13:40
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10486 views
ACCN in Australia is completely ruined and devastated by Paul Pentsa & Janko Tomek and their supporters. Don't expect any good news from here.
Abuse
Australia
Australia
25 Jun 2018 14:09
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10479 views
To:"YesUSA" Obviously you don't know what abuse in Australia have to put up with;
Elder Pentsa not only he,but gave authority to assistant-elders to impose punishment if one stand up for the truth.
Elder Pentsa not only he,but gave authority to assistant-elders to impose punishment if one stand up for the truth.
serious action
Australia
Australia
25 Jun 2018 19:00
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to AUSTRALIA............
this is the answer for the members of Tarneit and Marsden how to take "SERIOUS" action "FAST"......"DO NOT WAIT"
on the assistant elders and elders that are in sin, and don't want to repent from their sin.
step 1 (matthew 18: 15-17)
15. Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
step 2 (if the elders / assistant elders down step down)
(Titus 3:10)
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
step 3 (if they don't accept to be removed from their roles)
choose Arnold and Cucanic as your elders.
step 4
TOTALLY ignore them, do not talk to them, do not hold meetings with them, do not try and get in a conversation with them, do not visit them, do you accept them in your home if they want to visit you.
TOTALLY avoid them.
"DO NOT" participate if they want to hold a sermon. "WALK OUT"
"DO NOT" participate in any spiritually work of the Church if they attempt to, "WALK OUT".
"DO NOT TOLERATE" this injustice. YOU ALL NEED TO STAND UP!!!!!
Romans 16:17
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
2 John
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Thessalonians 3:
14. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2 Thessalonians 3:
6. Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
this is the answer for the members of Tarneit and Marsden how to take "SERIOUS" action "FAST"......"DO NOT WAIT"
on the assistant elders and elders that are in sin, and don't want to repent from their sin.
step 1 (matthew 18: 15-17)
15. Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
step 2 (if the elders / assistant elders down step down)
(Titus 3:10)
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
step 3 (if they don't accept to be removed from their roles)
choose Arnold and Cucanic as your elders.
step 4
TOTALLY ignore them, do not talk to them, do not hold meetings with them, do not try and get in a conversation with them, do not visit them, do you accept them in your home if they want to visit you.
TOTALLY avoid them.
"DO NOT" participate if they want to hold a sermon. "WALK OUT"
"DO NOT" participate in any spiritually work of the Church if they attempt to, "WALK OUT".
"DO NOT TOLERATE" this injustice. YOU ALL NEED TO STAND UP!!!!!
Romans 16:17
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
2 John
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Thessalonians 3:
14. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2 Thessalonians 3:
6. Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
Yes
USA
USA
26 Jun 2018 15:28
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10375 views
You cant just walk out when someone gets up to preach...
yes you can
Australia
Australia
26 Jun 2018 17:38
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10364 views
oh............yes you can big fella..!!
you need to stand UP for injustice, by NOT allowing it.
and
this way is ONE way to OPENING show that you do NOT support his willful sinning.
definitely sounds like you are David's supporter, yeah?
you need to stand UP for injustice, by NOT allowing it.
and
this way is ONE way to OPENING show that you do NOT support his willful sinning.
definitely sounds like you are David's supporter, yeah?
please explain
Australia
Australia
26 Jun 2018 17:42
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10361 views
re. Romans 16:17
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
does this mean stay with them or avoid them?
re. (Titus 3:10)
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
does this mean stay with them or reject them?
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
does this mean stay with them or avoid them?
re. (Titus 3:10)
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
does this mean stay with them or reject them?
please read
Australia
Australia
26 Jun 2018 17:59
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shun means:
to avoid or refuse to accept someone or something.
(referring to Romans 16:17, in align with the word "avoid")
Titus 1:11
Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
what does: "their mouths need to be stopped......."
(did I write this?)
to avoid or refuse to accept someone or something.
(referring to Romans 16:17, in align with the word "avoid")
Titus 1:11
Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
what does: "their mouths need to be stopped......."
(did I write this?)
Yes
USA
USA
27 Jun 2018 0:03
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10329 views
Well, I know you CAN walk out, but there are repercussions. I support shunning but not necessarily when someone's preaching. Yeah, I'm sure the lost souls will just FLY to Christ when they see half the church walking out when someone gets up to preach.
give me an option
Australia
Australia
27 Jun 2018 0:39
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10325 views
it will definitely make them stop and think what they are doing, when the majority get up and walk out, avoid them, reject them and NOT support them in any and every way possible.
(when they are sinning willfully and not wanting to step down from their elder-ship role)
it cant get any clearer.
ALSO:
if you know of another better way to do it, so it leads the elder to step down from their elder-ship, without the majority needing to get up and walk out, that's fine, give me a biblical example or teaching on this other option...
......neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
1 Tim.5:22
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Eph.5:11
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
2 Thess.3:6
(when they are sinning willfully and not wanting to step down from their elder-ship role)
it cant get any clearer.
ALSO:
if you know of another better way to do it, so it leads the elder to step down from their elder-ship, without the majority needing to get up and walk out, that's fine, give me a biblical example or teaching on this other option...
......neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
1 Tim.5:22
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Eph.5:11
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
2 Thess.3:6
to mike petras
USA
USA
29 Jun 2018 6:33
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10190 views
thank you for bringing out the real truth of Dave Nikolsons lies. the church needs to take this sin seriously and have him removed as soon as possible. How many sheep have these lying elders led astray? Australia needs to follow suit and remove Pentsa and all the other crooked lying elders. To all other elders supporting in Daves ADMITTED LYING, you are a partaker of his sin. Like written above, He admitted because he was caught, not because his heart was pricked. Hell has a special place for all the ACCN elders.
Moderator
Australia
Australia
29 Jun 2018 12:05
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We have received this e-mail from a US visitor:
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I have been a member of the ACCN for 35 yrs
In the West Akron congregation
I have never known the elders weather local or from other churches to be any other way than you portrayed them on the website.
Our local church has been devastated all those years by terrible leadership and un-Biblical examples.
Instead of being Christlike and examples of service, they serve themselves and destroy the flock.
We are trying to deal with one elder now, David, who is by far the worst one I’ve seen never coming to contact with, he has no conscience and willfully sins.
Our churches need to get back to scripture and teach who Christ worse, totally selfless and serving, that’s why I like a lot of examples that you showed from Scripture, the only way to deal with him is with God‘s word.
I will send you information as soon as that happens right now are waiting for a big meeting with our local congregation to deal with David.
PS. Paul Pentsa was in our church, he was up front but didn’t preach.
biblical only option
Australia
Australia
29 Jun 2018 13:13
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10123 views
have a brothers meeting WITHOUT David, and stick together.
do each step TOGETHER.
pray TOGETHER.
take the BIBLICAL steps in Matthew 18:15-17
and
then the BIBLICAL step in Titus 3:10
and
then the BIBLICAL steps in:
Romans 16:17
2 John 10
2 Thessalonians 3:14
2 Thessalonians 3:6
do each step TOGETHER.
pray TOGETHER.
take the BIBLICAL steps in Matthew 18:15-17
and
then the BIBLICAL step in Titus 3:10
and
then the BIBLICAL steps in:
Romans 16:17
2 John 10
2 Thessalonians 3:14
2 Thessalonians 3:6
Breath
Australia
Australia
29 Jun 2018 13:51
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10114 views
These kind of crooked people in leadership and their followers are feeding off the congregations fear. Collective fear gives them sustenance. If you cut off their food source they can no longer operate.
I know that Jesus hates wickedness. He says that you will know them by their fruit. Too many of them are what I call FOLLOWERS OF THE GOLDEN CALF even though their lips say "Lord Lord". And there are too many in this church and the sad fact is that their faith is not real at all. But they have tricked many and even deceived themselves.
You can put an end to this and allow Jesus to expell this problem but you have to start rejecting that sinful behavior collectively so that God can see your actions as a church.
It is quite painful to watch wickedness flourishing but in the long term it is more painful to allow it to continue as more good Christians are harmed and even destroyed.
I would suggest not putting up with it any longer and if that means walking out, then be brave and let God see what you don't tolerate. Spend time with Christians that one can trust and FAST & PRAY together.
Do not put up with any more wickedness or it will reach a more wicked level and flourish even more.. PRAY AND FAST together with great patience because God will do the rest. It is a serious problem that cannot be taken lightly.
God Bless the reader of this.
I know that Jesus hates wickedness. He says that you will know them by their fruit. Too many of them are what I call FOLLOWERS OF THE GOLDEN CALF even though their lips say "Lord Lord". And there are too many in this church and the sad fact is that their faith is not real at all. But they have tricked many and even deceived themselves.
You can put an end to this and allow Jesus to expell this problem but you have to start rejecting that sinful behavior collectively so that God can see your actions as a church.
It is quite painful to watch wickedness flourishing but in the long term it is more painful to allow it to continue as more good Christians are harmed and even destroyed.
I would suggest not putting up with it any longer and if that means walking out, then be brave and let God see what you don't tolerate. Spend time with Christians that one can trust and FAST & PRAY together.
Do not put up with any more wickedness or it will reach a more wicked level and flourish even more.. PRAY AND FAST together with great patience because God will do the rest. It is a serious problem that cannot be taken lightly.
God Bless the reader of this.
TO: West Akron
Australia
Australia
1 Jul 2018 0:35
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TO WEST AKRON BROTHERS:
Have these Bible verses in mind...
Jude 1:4
For certain men have got in unnoticed, they who of old were marked out beforehand to this sentence, ungodly persons, turning the grace of our God into dissoluteness, and denying our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 2:4
This was because of the false brothers secretly brought in, who stole in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage;
Galatians 2:5
to whom not even for an hour we gave place by subjection, that the truth of the good news might remain to you.
Acts 20:
28. Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.
29. I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will come in among you after I leave, not sparing the flock.
30. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.
2 Corinth.11:
13. Those men are not true apostles, they are false apostles, who lie about their work and disguise themselves to look like real apostles of Christ.
14. And it is no wonder. Even Satan tries to make himself look like an angel of light.
Have these Bible verses in mind...
Jude 1:4
For certain men have got in unnoticed, they who of old were marked out beforehand to this sentence, ungodly persons, turning the grace of our God into dissoluteness, and denying our only Master and Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 2:4
This was because of the false brothers secretly brought in, who stole in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage;
Galatians 2:5
to whom not even for an hour we gave place by subjection, that the truth of the good news might remain to you.
Acts 20:
28. Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.
29. I know that false teachers, like vicious wolves, will come in among you after I leave, not sparing the flock.
30. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.
2 Corinth.11:
13. Those men are not true apostles, they are false apostles, who lie about their work and disguise themselves to look like real apostles of Christ.
14. And it is no wonder. Even Satan tries to make himself look like an angel of light.
ATT: WEST AKRON
Australia
Australia
1 Jul 2018 2:26
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Let these verses also come to your remembrance dear West Akron Brothers....
Isaiah 29
9. Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.
10. For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
11. And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12. And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13. Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
2 Thessalonians 2:
7. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:
3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Isaiah 29
9. Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.
10. For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
11. And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12. And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13. Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
2 Thessalonians 2:
7. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:
3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Moderator
Australia
Australia
17 Jul 2018 13:04
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Here is another update from the US:
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So far David Nicholson has been restricted from preaching, the elder committee is demanding to come to the church as of now no date has been set, the entire front bench is all on the same page that David needs to step down.
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So far David Nicholson has been restricted from preaching, the elder committee is demanding to come to the church as of now no date has been set, the entire front bench is all on the same page that David needs to step down.
WELL DONE West Akron
Australia
Australia
18 Jul 2018 0:12
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9645 views
Jude 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
wow.....pleased to hear that!!!!!
thank God for the front bench at West Akron that are together for the right.
thank God that there are members that are still awake.
may God give you deliverance against the wiles of the devil through the elder committee, the elder body, and all elders like david nicolson
- stand firm together in pray continually.
- pray together
- talk it all over together
- battle for the right together
- do each step together with GODS WORD FIRMLY and OPENLY with God, and His CHURCH, and His members, not the committee or elder body.
Christ will come for His Church, not for the elder committee, nor for the elder body nor for the constitution run church by any of its by-laws.
GOOD ON YOU WEST AKRON MINISTERS!!!!
Eph. 6:11
Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Gal. 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal.1:
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Jeremiah 31:36
If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
2 Corin.2:11
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
Jude 1:
12. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13. Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
wow.....pleased to hear that!!!!!
thank God for the front bench at West Akron that are together for the right.
thank God that there are members that are still awake.
may God give you deliverance against the wiles of the devil through the elder committee, the elder body, and all elders like david nicolson
- stand firm together in pray continually.
- pray together
- talk it all over together
- battle for the right together
- do each step together with GODS WORD FIRMLY and OPENLY with God, and His CHURCH, and His members, not the committee or elder body.
Christ will come for His Church, not for the elder committee, nor for the elder body nor for the constitution run church by any of its by-laws.
GOOD ON YOU WEST AKRON MINISTERS!!!!
Eph. 6:11
Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Gal. 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal.1:
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Jeremiah 31:36
If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
2 Corin.2:11
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
Jude 1:
12. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13. Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
To West Akron Church
Australia
Australia
21 Jul 2018 12:42
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9436 views
Dear Brothers from West Akron Congregation.
David has been withheld from preaching at Church, and is awaiting for the Elders to come, in which they should be coming within the next 3 weeks.
I want to highlight the importance about something very serious.
Be on high alert with the Elders that do end up coming to West Akron. They will not come with the desire to remove the sinful elder from his position and role as elder, nor will they attempt to bring righteous judgement that he deserves for his committed sins. They will with force and cruelty attempt to maintain his elder-ship role, and cover up his sinful and filthy actions and deeds. The elders do not fear the Lord neither feel shame towards others. The elders act as God on the earth. The elders know full well how to destroy and scatter the faithful servants and followers of God. Especially where they see and sense that there are members that believe and conduct Gods righteous acts of judgments towards sin, and do not allow the Committee Elders to cover up the filth and sin committed. Nickolson has been caught in the sin of lying, and he testified that the Committee Elders forced him to organize the wedding of Nancy Hustz and David Franc. (Nancy was a Nazarene baptized member of West Akron, but David was a baptized member from another religion (he has not been baptized in any Nazarene Church)
I cannot stress it enough to beware and on extreme high alert. Be awake and in prayer. The American Elders will not come until the European Elder Meeting has been concluded. The American Elders do not want to give indication who Nickolson really is.
Brothers be extremely careful on the next few steps and moves you end up making.
- The Elder Committee destroyed and scattered the Church in Florida where Brother Joe Craciun was a minister.
- They likewise destroyed and scattered the Church in Warren, and even punished Elder Endre Toth for standing up for the right and because he didn't want to comply to the Elder Committee's changed doctrine on sins unto death.
- They more still, destroyed and scattered the Church in Columbia Station. And likewise covered up Nickolson's sins who organised and closed Columbia Station.
- And this is still not enough for them. They also punished Brothers Mihal, Mike and Dimitri for exposing more of Nickolson's sins on the racist act towards the black people, regarding the auto auction business that he guaranteed to repay back, which until today still has an outstanding amount of $230,000.00 USD due, on also wanting David on deposition...etc
How is it, I ask, that wherever Nickolson is around, you can only see a trace of sin and criminal acts?
Dear Brothers, you really need to be serious, open and alert with this private, separate little church room gathering business.
God is light, but the devil lies in darkness.
God works in the Church, and with its members open before all members. The devil works in the dark, closed, private and separate little rooms. The elders are good at destroying, threatening and dominating when they separate the members from the Church as wolves can only win over the sheep when they separate the sheep from the fold. Brothers, stay together in and with the Church, openly, not separately and behind closed doors. I am stating this from my own experience on these style of elders ways of manipulation in my past.
Brothers, make a copy of this letter, and hand it to members that do not have the internet, so they are advised on this too please. Let everyone know full well the sins of Nickolson, how he is complying together with other denominations.
As much as I can see, these elders not only that they do not believe on the sins unto death anymore, they neither believe on blasphemy on the Holy Ghost.
When has anyone heard that these elders have disciplined, punished or excommunicated anyone? They only punish members that tell them the truth, and nothing but the truth.
Paul Kusicki and Mark Igic are currently in Europe, to attempt to prove something before the Elder Meeting. They will only attempt to justify lies to the European Elders.
Its clear that we are in the last days. The devil has succeeded to win over the elders, and then the liberal churches. The devil is laughing at his success.
I question, whether there are any elders in the US that fear the Lord, and represent God's righteous judgments?
David has been withheld from preaching at Church, and is awaiting for the Elders to come, in which they should be coming within the next 3 weeks.
I want to highlight the importance about something very serious.
Be on high alert with the Elders that do end up coming to West Akron. They will not come with the desire to remove the sinful elder from his position and role as elder, nor will they attempt to bring righteous judgement that he deserves for his committed sins. They will with force and cruelty attempt to maintain his elder-ship role, and cover up his sinful and filthy actions and deeds. The elders do not fear the Lord neither feel shame towards others. The elders act as God on the earth. The elders know full well how to destroy and scatter the faithful servants and followers of God. Especially where they see and sense that there are members that believe and conduct Gods righteous acts of judgments towards sin, and do not allow the Committee Elders to cover up the filth and sin committed. Nickolson has been caught in the sin of lying, and he testified that the Committee Elders forced him to organize the wedding of Nancy Hustz and David Franc. (Nancy was a Nazarene baptized member of West Akron, but David was a baptized member from another religion (he has not been baptized in any Nazarene Church)
I cannot stress it enough to beware and on extreme high alert. Be awake and in prayer. The American Elders will not come until the European Elder Meeting has been concluded. The American Elders do not want to give indication who Nickolson really is.
Brothers be extremely careful on the next few steps and moves you end up making.
- The Elder Committee destroyed and scattered the Church in Florida where Brother Joe Craciun was a minister.
- They likewise destroyed and scattered the Church in Warren, and even punished Elder Endre Toth for standing up for the right and because he didn't want to comply to the Elder Committee's changed doctrine on sins unto death.
- They more still, destroyed and scattered the Church in Columbia Station. And likewise covered up Nickolson's sins who organised and closed Columbia Station.
- And this is still not enough for them. They also punished Brothers Mihal, Mike and Dimitri for exposing more of Nickolson's sins on the racist act towards the black people, regarding the auto auction business that he guaranteed to repay back, which until today still has an outstanding amount of $230,000.00 USD due, on also wanting David on deposition...etc
How is it, I ask, that wherever Nickolson is around, you can only see a trace of sin and criminal acts?
Dear Brothers, you really need to be serious, open and alert with this private, separate little church room gathering business.
God is light, but the devil lies in darkness.
God works in the Church, and with its members open before all members. The devil works in the dark, closed, private and separate little rooms. The elders are good at destroying, threatening and dominating when they separate the members from the Church as wolves can only win over the sheep when they separate the sheep from the fold. Brothers, stay together in and with the Church, openly, not separately and behind closed doors. I am stating this from my own experience on these style of elders ways of manipulation in my past.
Brothers, make a copy of this letter, and hand it to members that do not have the internet, so they are advised on this too please. Let everyone know full well the sins of Nickolson, how he is complying together with other denominations.
As much as I can see, these elders not only that they do not believe on the sins unto death anymore, they neither believe on blasphemy on the Holy Ghost.
When has anyone heard that these elders have disciplined, punished or excommunicated anyone? They only punish members that tell them the truth, and nothing but the truth.
Paul Kusicki and Mark Igic are currently in Europe, to attempt to prove something before the Elder Meeting. They will only attempt to justify lies to the European Elders.
Its clear that we are in the last days. The devil has succeeded to win over the elders, and then the liberal churches. The devil is laughing at his success.
I question, whether there are any elders in the US that fear the Lord, and represent God's righteous judgments?
Questions
USA
USA
21 Jul 2018 15:30
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9416 views
Very very good letter. But I have a question...why are they waiting till after the European elders meeting to come to West Akron? What does that have to do with it?
Questions
USA
USA
21 Jul 2018 15:36
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9413 views
West Akron still hasnt calmed down about the wedding that David allowed from another denomination.
just curious
Australia
Australia
21 Jul 2018 15:53
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9408 views
David & Nancy's wedding wasn't held in W.Akron but in Brunswick Hills church... so what is the problem?
Was Nikolson the one who organized wedding to be in Brunswick H?
Was Nikolson the one who organized wedding to be in Brunswick H?
Sin unto death
Australia
Australia
21 Jul 2018 20:49
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9384 views
re.
David & Nancy's wedding wasn't held in W.Akron but in Brunswick Hills church... so what is the problem?
The problem here isn't where the wedding was held, its about a Nazarene member joining in marriage with a person outside the Nazarene Faith (from another denomination)
This is the sin unto death issue in question here, that David allowed, in which the Elder Committee also allowed and agreed upon.
So, its clear here, that the Elder Committee and David allow fraternization
(which is a sin unto death)
There is a Church booklet on fraternization that has been put out, and here we have the Elder Committee allowing just that.
and
re.
Was Nikolson the one who organized wedding to be in Brunswick H?
yes, David organised the wedding to be held in Brunswick Hills, most probably because majority of the West Akron Congregation would not agree to this sin unto death, where this sin unto death most probably would get through with Brunswick Hills Congregation....in which we see the devil succeeded here by manipulation in a cunning, deceitful, filthy and sinful way.
David & Nancy's wedding wasn't held in W.Akron but in Brunswick Hills church... so what is the problem?
The problem here isn't where the wedding was held, its about a Nazarene member joining in marriage with a person outside the Nazarene Faith (from another denomination)
This is the sin unto death issue in question here, that David allowed, in which the Elder Committee also allowed and agreed upon.
So, its clear here, that the Elder Committee and David allow fraternization
(which is a sin unto death)
There is a Church booklet on fraternization that has been put out, and here we have the Elder Committee allowing just that.
and
re.
Was Nikolson the one who organized wedding to be in Brunswick H?
yes, David organised the wedding to be held in Brunswick Hills, most probably because majority of the West Akron Congregation would not agree to this sin unto death, where this sin unto death most probably would get through with Brunswick Hills Congregation....in which we see the devil succeeded here by manipulation in a cunning, deceitful, filthy and sinful way.
to: questions
Australia
Australia
21 Jul 2018 20:51
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9383 views
re.
West Akron still hasnt calmed down about the wedding that David allowed from another denomination.
it should not calm down at all regarding any sin unto death....this is not something to be ignored at in any way.
there is not tolerance for any sin unto death....
West Akron still hasnt calmed down about the wedding that David allowed from another denomination.
it should not calm down at all regarding any sin unto death....this is not something to be ignored at in any way.
there is not tolerance for any sin unto death....
just curious
Australia
Australia
21 Jul 2018 22:18
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9375 views
To sin unto death;
Marriage with another person out side Nazarene faith;
Are you saying that only Nazarenes will be saved...is that how u beleive
Who are you to judge? Name alone does't save if one doesn't show christ-like life, and sadly not all Nazarenes will be saved.
Marriage with another person out side Nazarene faith;
Are you saying that only Nazarenes will be saved...is that how u beleive
Who are you to judge? Name alone does't save if one doesn't show christ-like life, and sadly not all Nazarenes will be saved.
yes
Australia
Australia
21 Jul 2018 22:22
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The Truth will set you free.
The Bibles teaching on sin unto death will not and cannot change.
Name will not save anyone, yes true.
Yes, not all Nazarenes will be saved, yes true.
The Bibles teaching on sin unto death will not and cannot change.
Name will not save anyone, yes true.
Yes, not all Nazarenes will be saved, yes true.
just curious
Australia
Australia
21 Jul 2018 23:08
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Yes,Bible saying! There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.
1John 5;16
Therefore I say to you, every sin and blapfemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven men.
Bible clearly says that the only sin will not be forgiven in this age or in the age to come.
Metth. 12;31-32
1John 5;16
Therefore I say to you, every sin and blapfemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven men.
Bible clearly says that the only sin will not be forgiven in this age or in the age to come.
Metth. 12;31-32
Questions
USA
USA
21 Jul 2018 23:26
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But still...what does this have to do with the commitee waiting till after the European elders meeting? Because after the wedding, Dave is definitely not a "good guy" in Europe.
possible
Australia
Australia
21 Jul 2018 23:54
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there must be something going on that we do not know exactly.
there is also a reason why kusicki and igic elders have gone to europe before the elder meeting in europe to display something to the european elders.
(to possibly display their version of things, not the actual whole truth)
(to give their explanation of why it happened)
(maybe they are wanting to give out cash to blind the european elders, as elder george bodjanac from west akron gave a check to elder andrija murtin from kovacica in the novi sad church in 2015)
maybe the committee is wanting to make a step based on the european elder conclusion on this matter perhaps...
there is also a reason why kusicki and igic elders have gone to europe before the elder meeting in europe to display something to the european elders.
(to possibly display their version of things, not the actual whole truth)
(to give their explanation of why it happened)
(maybe they are wanting to give out cash to blind the european elders, as elder george bodjanac from west akron gave a check to elder andrija murtin from kovacica in the novi sad church in 2015)
maybe the committee is wanting to make a step based on the european elder conclusion on this matter perhaps...
Response
USA
USA
22 Jul 2018 4:07
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The European elders meeting is not about Dave or the wedding.
just curious
Australia
Australia
22 Jul 2018 11:02
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Norton church Ohio,are they still acc Nazarene?
Elder for hire!
USA
USA
22 Jul 2018 12:33
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Dave Nickolson the Stefans are in need of an elder for there 4 member flock. Perhaps you can lend them a helping hand. They like your type as you have a lot in common with them. Thieves, liars, all the same. Perhaps this was your back up plan all this time.
try this one
Australia
Australia
22 Jul 2018 23:17
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removed elder paul pentsa seems to be seeking a church to recognise him as an elder.
could this be an option for them?
he could even preach for them too, as west akron, nor colorado springs dont offer him to preach....
it could be a 2 in 1 catch....
could this be an option for them?
he could even preach for them too, as west akron, nor colorado springs dont offer him to preach....
it could be a 2 in 1 catch....
Moderator
Australia
Australia
22 Jul 2018 23:47
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It just happened that I personally know the young couple you mentioned... a lovely couple, I am very glad they married. I am sure they will have a successful life together.
Insisting on marrying strictly within the Nazarene community - I think it has become nonsense. It is not really that the Nazarene group of churches posses some "extra quality" that should not be compromised by mixing with other congregations. There is no extra quality. We know that. Any outsider reading this website can figure out the same. So young people should be allowed to marry whoever they want, well, preferably another Christian from the same or a similar faith. We need to finally agree if it's God who matches two people or people match themselves? If the first is true, who are we to question God's will and wisdom? If the second is the case, who is qualified to judge who needs to marry who? It is just an exercise of some stupid power over church members.
David Nikolson is a bad elder and needs to go, no doubt. But using this wedding against him is like locking up Al Capone for tax evasion.
Insisting on marrying strictly within the Nazarene community - I think it has become nonsense. It is not really that the Nazarene group of churches posses some "extra quality" that should not be compromised by mixing with other congregations. There is no extra quality. We know that. Any outsider reading this website can figure out the same. So young people should be allowed to marry whoever they want, well, preferably another Christian from the same or a similar faith. We need to finally agree if it's God who matches two people or people match themselves? If the first is true, who are we to question God's will and wisdom? If the second is the case, who is qualified to judge who needs to marry who? It is just an exercise of some stupid power over church members.
David Nikolson is a bad elder and needs to go, no doubt. But using this wedding against him is like locking up Al Capone for tax evasion.
verses
Australia
Australia
23 Jul 2018 13:08
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Ezra 9:2
For they have taken some of their daughters to be wives for themselves and for their sons, so that the holy race has mixed itself with the peoples of the lands....
Deuteronomy 7:3,4
3. Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons,
4. for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you
1 Corinthians 7:39
A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.
......belong to the Lord.
For they have taken some of their daughters to be wives for themselves and for their sons, so that the holy race has mixed itself with the peoples of the lands....
Deuteronomy 7:3,4
3. Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons,
4. for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you
1 Corinthians 7:39
A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.
......belong to the Lord.
Moderator
Australia
Australia
23 Jul 2018 14:54
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"But he must belong to the Lord" = "Must be a Nazarene"...?
"Must be a Nazarene" = "Must be in our elder's good books"...??
And the elders have that discrete and exclusive right is to say who's a member and who's not, and therefore who is eligible to be married and who is not. Pity that you don't see it, because that's the main weapon they've got in their hands.
"Must be a Nazarene" = "Must be in our elder's good books"...??
And the elders have that discrete and exclusive right is to say who's a member and who's not, and therefore who is eligible to be married and who is not. Pity that you don't see it, because that's the main weapon they've got in their hands.
means?
Australia
Australia
23 Jul 2018 17:19
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1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Law
Australia
Australia
29 Jul 2018 9:09
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You are correct where it says the woman is bound to her husband while he still lives but what does it say in the bible when a woman takes husband to court. Absolutely nothing. The bible was written thousands of years ago and there was no law or occurrence. If family courts were existent back in the days of apostal paul the bible would be interpreted differently today.
Wife takes husband to court takes his house and child but are still bound together. Doesn't make sense. In the days of Abraham wife will be stoned to death.
Wife takes husband to court takes his house and child but are still bound together. Doesn't make sense. In the days of Abraham wife will be stoned to death.
question
Australia
Australia
29 Jul 2018 11:04
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to: Law
how is this related to topic comment?
how is this related to topic comment?
Law
Australia
Australia
29 Jul 2018 15:02
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Question
It's in response to Moderator comment get with the program.
It's in response to Moderator comment get with the program.
explain
Australia
Australia
29 Jul 2018 19:08
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about a marriage with a nazarene and a non-nazarene has nothing related with one of the spouse taking the other to court.
what "get with the program part" are you referring to?
what "get with the program part" are you referring to?
Law
Australia
Australia
29 Jul 2018 19:22
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Explain
Who's the non Nazarene your referring to?
I never mentioned a non Nazarene. You sound like a non Nazarene so why bother commenting on this thread.
Who's the non Nazarene your referring to?
I never mentioned a non Nazarene. You sound like a non Nazarene so why bother commenting on this thread.
confused
Australia
Australia
29 Jul 2018 20:40
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was it not commented about the marriage of David Franc and Nancy Hultsz?
neither of them is taking either to court, yeah?
whats in question here?
about their marriage?
or
a spouse taking the other to court?
neither of them is taking either to court, yeah?
whats in question here?
about their marriage?
or
a spouse taking the other to court?
Law
Australia
Australia
29 Jul 2018 22:03
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Question explain confused.
you are sick and blind spiritually
Adios
you are sick and blind spiritually
Adios
To West Akron Church
Australia
Australia
30 Jul 2018 11:01
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Brothers and Sisters in West Akron.
The Committee Elders are coming this coming Sunday.
BE ON HIGH ALERT
DO NOT ALLOW TO BE DECEIVED WITH ANY TYPE OF MANIPULATION OR METHOD OF TRADE.
Its not my way, their way or your way, it needs to be Gods way.
The Bible is clear, and the Elders cannot change the Bible's teaching, regardless who is in question.
God has no respect of persons, nor should we.
George Bodjanac is already attempting to block peoples eyes to see clearly, by approaching members and saying "we need to pray", "we need to pray", "just pray".
When members replied what for, George did not state for what reason we need to pray for.
This is a method of manipulation, so you do not look into the strict law and order of God's Church, but concentrate on something else, whatever it may be.
It could well be to justify the lie, justify the wicked, justify the sin, to allow Brother David to remain an elder, using the word of God in anyway possible, to justify the wicked and condemn the righteous in anyway possible, even if it means using God's word and changing it.
Maybe even attempting to brake the Church membership (if it needs to), to maintain the sin, lies and spiritual filth of mingling with other denominations.
Let it be noted to you all, EVEN IF AN ANGEL COMES FROM HEAVEN, AND TELLS YOU DIFFERENT FROM THE BIBLES TEACHING, DO NOT BELIEVE IT.....................
Everyone is watching you. Do not make the same mistake many churches have fell in the snare of the devil through the committee elders, because of their punishments, their threats if you do not obey us, their loud voices, their cruel attitudes, their evil approach, their nice speech to mislead you...or whatever method they will try to deceive you or to humiliate fact.
The Committee Elders are coming this coming Sunday.
BE ON HIGH ALERT
DO NOT ALLOW TO BE DECEIVED WITH ANY TYPE OF MANIPULATION OR METHOD OF TRADE.
Its not my way, their way or your way, it needs to be Gods way.
The Bible is clear, and the Elders cannot change the Bible's teaching, regardless who is in question.
God has no respect of persons, nor should we.
George Bodjanac is already attempting to block peoples eyes to see clearly, by approaching members and saying "we need to pray", "we need to pray", "just pray".
When members replied what for, George did not state for what reason we need to pray for.
This is a method of manipulation, so you do not look into the strict law and order of God's Church, but concentrate on something else, whatever it may be.
It could well be to justify the lie, justify the wicked, justify the sin, to allow Brother David to remain an elder, using the word of God in anyway possible, to justify the wicked and condemn the righteous in anyway possible, even if it means using God's word and changing it.
Maybe even attempting to brake the Church membership (if it needs to), to maintain the sin, lies and spiritual filth of mingling with other denominations.
Let it be noted to you all, EVEN IF AN ANGEL COMES FROM HEAVEN, AND TELLS YOU DIFFERENT FROM THE BIBLES TEACHING, DO NOT BELIEVE IT.....................
Everyone is watching you. Do not make the same mistake many churches have fell in the snare of the devil through the committee elders, because of their punishments, their threats if you do not obey us, their loud voices, their cruel attitudes, their evil approach, their nice speech to mislead you...or whatever method they will try to deceive you or to humiliate fact.
explaining
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Australia
30 Jul 2018 12:59
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re.
Who's the non Nazarene your referring to?
David Franc is not a nazarene, nor a baptised nazarene.
Nancy Hutze was a baptised nazarene.
they were married.
re.
Who's the non Nazarene your referring to?
David Franc is not a nazarene, nor a baptised nazarene.
Nancy Hutze was a baptised nazarene.
they were married.
location
Australia
Australia
30 Jul 2018 16:01
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where were they married?
were they married in a Nazarene Church?
were they married in a Nazarene Church?
confirmed
Australia
Australia
30 Jul 2018 16:50
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Accn Brunswick Hills.
to explaining
Australia
Australia
30 Jul 2018 21:08
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and is nancy hutze still in the fellowship, or has she been excommunicated? Gen. 6:2,5,7 Deu. 7:2,3,4
time will show
Australia
Australia
30 Jul 2018 22:05
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time will show which elders and which churches will accept this sin unto death teaching, practice and deceitful implementation on mixed marriage from outside the faith.
(the BIG problem here is, the committee elders allowed this marriage to go ahead, and seemed to force David Nikolson to organise the wedding)
(so, which elders are going to excommunicate the committee elders, and david nikolson who are accountable to this horrendous and grave sin unto death?)
lets see what is clearly stated in.......
2 Corinthians 6:
14. Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
15. What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
16. What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
17. Therefore,“Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,and I will receive you.”
18. And, “I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.”
(the BIG problem here is, the committee elders allowed this marriage to go ahead, and seemed to force David Nikolson to organise the wedding)
(so, which elders are going to excommunicate the committee elders, and david nikolson who are accountable to this horrendous and grave sin unto death?)
lets see what is clearly stated in.......
2 Corinthians 6:
14. Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
15. What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
16. What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
17. Therefore,“Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,and I will receive you.”
18. And, “I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.”
Questions....
USA
USA
31 Jul 2018 1:33
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If the elders are going to West Akron on Sunday, what are they coming for if they are not coming to remove David?
lying
USA
USA
31 Jul 2018 5:56
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From reading some comments above it sounds like Dave was caught lying to the ministers and the elder committee for 10 months vehemently denying the charges against him. It was only when presented with proof that Dave admitted that he was indeed lying. (Mind you he is an Elder) LYING. He would still be spewing that lie if not presented with proof. It seems the West Akron members have know for years that Dave is a narcissistic pathological liar. Question is... will the committee do what is right and just before God or will they protect their own.
If it is true that a meeting will be held Sunday then we wait and see.
Questions....
USA
USA
31 Jul 2018 6:23
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They will not remove him. They never do Biblical things.
Let's just say this...if they do hold him accountable, it will be history in the making for the Apostolic Christian Church.
Let's just say this...if they do hold him accountable, it will be history in the making for the Apostolic Christian Church.
hope and pray
Australia
Australia
31 Jul 2018 11:05
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lets hope and pray they make history.
but, who is going to be responsible for the committee elders allowing this marriage to go ahead?
which elders are going to step in on this issue?
but, who is going to be responsible for the committee elders allowing this marriage to go ahead?
which elders are going to step in on this issue?
Akron Congregation
Australia
Australia
1 Aug 2018 11:35
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take heed to the teaching in these verses for this coming Sunday
1 Kings 22:
17. Then Micaiah answered, “I saw all Israel scattered on the hills like sheep without a shepherd, and the Lord said, ‘These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.’”
18. The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Didn’t I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?”
19. Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left.
20. And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that.
21. Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22. “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
23. “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
24. Then Zedekiah son of Kenaanah went up and slapped Micaiah in the face. “Which way did the spirit from[a] the Lord go when he went from me to speak to you?” he asked.
25. Micaiah replied, “You will find out on the day you go to hide in an inner room.”
26. The king of Israel then ordered, “Take Micaiah and send him back to Amon the ruler of the city and to Joash the king’s son
27. and say, ‘This is what the king says: Put this fellow in prison and give him nothing but bread and water until I return safely.’”
28. Micaiah declared, “If you ever return safely, the Lord has not spoken through me.” Then he added, “Mark my words, all you people!”
Deuteronomy 18:
20. But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.
21. And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’
22. when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
elders can talk in their own name or in the name of the Lord....
elders can talk in the name of the Lord (what God did say)
and
elder can talk in the name of the Lord (what God did NOT say)
BE AWARE of this manipulation and tactics............!!!!!
It needs to be BOTH in the name of the Lord "AND" what God did say.........!!!
we must not obey elders when they talk in their name OR when they use Gods word through manipulation to deceive and distort truth, law, order, holiness, godliness, justice or righteousness judgement.
1 Kings 22:
17. Then Micaiah answered, “I saw all Israel scattered on the hills like sheep without a shepherd, and the Lord said, ‘These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.’”
18. The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Didn’t I tell you that he never prophesies anything good about me, but only bad?”
19. Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left.
20. And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that.
21. Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22. “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
23. “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
24. Then Zedekiah son of Kenaanah went up and slapped Micaiah in the face. “Which way did the spirit from[a] the Lord go when he went from me to speak to you?” he asked.
25. Micaiah replied, “You will find out on the day you go to hide in an inner room.”
26. The king of Israel then ordered, “Take Micaiah and send him back to Amon the ruler of the city and to Joash the king’s son
27. and say, ‘This is what the king says: Put this fellow in prison and give him nothing but bread and water until I return safely.’”
28. Micaiah declared, “If you ever return safely, the Lord has not spoken through me.” Then he added, “Mark my words, all you people!”
Deuteronomy 18:
20. But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.
21. And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’
22. when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
elders can talk in their own name or in the name of the Lord....
elders can talk in the name of the Lord (what God did say)
and
elder can talk in the name of the Lord (what God did NOT say)
BE AWARE of this manipulation and tactics............!!!!!
It needs to be BOTH in the name of the Lord "AND" what God did say.........!!!
we must not obey elders when they talk in their name OR when they use Gods word through manipulation to deceive and distort truth, law, order, holiness, godliness, justice or righteousness judgement.
attention
Australia
Australia
1 Aug 2018 15:23
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1 Kings 22,
Start reading from verse 15 that God alowed Micaiah to lying as well;
God'spurpose was to destroy Ahab and whoever belongs to Ahab because he murdered and took the possession from Naboth... 1Kings 21;18-25
God has veneance upon everyone who takes what's not theirs.
Start reading from verse 15 that God alowed Micaiah to lying as well;
God'spurpose was to destroy Ahab and whoever belongs to Ahab because he murdered and took the possession from Naboth... 1Kings 21;18-25
God has veneance upon everyone who takes what's not theirs.
read carefully
Australia
Australia
1 Aug 2018 17:54
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This is not a reference allowing the sin of lying.
Satan is the father of lies.
God is not the father of lies or allows lying.
God did not allow anyone to lie.
verse 14 says:
And Micaiah said, As the Lord liveth, what the Lord saith unto me, that will I speak.
God did not tell Micaiah to lie.
2 Thess.2:
7. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Satan is the father of lies.
God is not the father of lies or allows lying.
God did not allow anyone to lie.
verse 14 says:
And Micaiah said, As the Lord liveth, what the Lord saith unto me, that will I speak.
God did not tell Micaiah to lie.
2 Thess.2:
7. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
attention
Australia
Australia
1 Aug 2018 20:11
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True God is not the lier; he didn't tell Micaiah to lie, but in the verse 15 when king ask Micaiah should they go,his answer was same as all the rest of the prophets... which was not true that they'l win.
And from verse 19 onward Micaiah begin to explain the vision.
In verse 22 the Lord said, You shall persuade him and also prevail. Go out and do so;
And from verse 19 onward Micaiah begin to explain the vision.
In verse 22 the Lord said, You shall persuade him and also prevail. Go out and do so;
thanks
Australia
Australia
1 Aug 2018 22:25
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understood.
thanks for that.
thanks for that.
Moderator
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Australia
6 Aug 2018 10:41
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David Nikolson has resigned. Now we can close this thread.
There is a new thread titled "David Nikolson resigned":
http://www.accn-australia.com/Page1.php?topic/2624/david-nikolson-resigned
Please post all your comments there. Thank you.
There is a new thread titled "David Nikolson resigned":
http://www.accn-australia.com/Page1.php?topic/2624/david-nikolson-resigned
Please post all your comments there. Thank you.
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