6 Sep 2018 11:30
Pentsa took part as an active Elder in the Lokve Baptism on September 2, 2018. He also selected hymn number 26. The puzzling part here is why haven’t the ACCN North American Elders taken him down? Is he still the Elder of Australia and now Colorado Springs? Pentsa you are nothing but a hypocrite and a dictator. You split churches in Australia, took certain members to court, and were affiliated with your sons business where apparently eight million dollars vanished. The ACCN rules about dating don’t apply to Elders, and the iron fist only applies to the church members.
I know for a fact that the European Elders that were present at the Lokve Baptism knew about Pentsa's actions in Australia and completely ignored the advice given to them. I can't understand if this is ignorance. I also cannot help but wonder if money had something to do with it since money seems to be the motivator to judge unjustly.
My question to the American ACCN Elders and European Elders who know how to quote 1 Corinthians 6:1, is it a waste of time for suffering members to ask you leaders for help and justice? And if you cannot help or are not willing to help then who should?
6 Sep 2018 16:41
does anyone have the names of the elders in Lokve?
the elders that oversee the Lokve Church?
what part of the baptism work did he exactly participate in?
who was present
6 Sep 2018 23:29
which elders from Serbia were present at the baptism?
which elders from other countries were also present?
please supply letter
6 Sep 2018 23:36
does anyone have a copy of that letter, of the removal of elder paul pentsa and elder andrew taylor in 2003 I think it was?
can this be supplied on the internet here?
7 Sep 2018 3:21
I have said it before on this site and I will say it again...
PAUL PENTSA IS NO LONGER CONSIDERED A REMOVED ELDER BY THE AMERICANS AND THE REST OF THE WORLD. HE IS FREE TO CONDUCT ANY WORK INCLUDING BAPTISMS.
The fact that he is not preaching in Colorado is simply because he is not officially a member there, but is a "guest" for too long. He can't preach as a guest every Sunday for months when the membership didn't put him up. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON HE IS NOT PREACHING...NOT BECAUSE OF HIS ACTIONS!!!!!!!
7 Sep 2018 3:43
When it comes to the elder body there is NO JUSTICE. NO ACCOUNTABILITY.
The Elder body caused Chaos in West Akron for not telling the members the truth of Dave Nikolsons Sins.
They led the church to believe a lie.
Sadly the elder body is a joke.
And the few elders that might want to do right have ZERO say.
7 Sep 2018 3:48
So, therefore, an Elder has no accountability to Gods law nor the law of this land. Further, if an Elder(s) hurt your grandparents, grandchildren, children or someone related to you would you still sit there quietly in the pews?
7 Sep 2018 6:34
I have said it before on this site and I will say it again
Paul Pentsa is a CROOK!
7 Sep 2018 10:27
You can pretty much wipe your behind with Steva Nenadov's removal letter because today that letter is simply not recognized. The American elders freely allow him to conduct work as do the Europeans. Simply put to you Australians: Whatever sins an elder commits, be it Paul or whoever, they will still remain an elder and, yes, be able to punish you for speaking out. Those are the hard facts. Look around if you think I'm wrong.
7 Sep 2018 13:38
Money is a powerful tool that can pretty much buy support, especially in Europe.
I for one did not get baptized to join a cult or to belong to a church club. The church is the mother.
What kind of healthy, and functional church allows corruption from any of its members including its ministers and elders?
Look how much the worldly people protest against corrupted officials.
If you hold your peace shall not the rocks speak up?
this is the answer
7 Sep 2018 18:33
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
9 Sep 2018 6:36
9 Sep 2018 6:53
After trying multiple time to post the European Elders names involved in the Lokve Baptism on this forum an error keeps popping which states: 'Error: Comment text contains improper content.' It appears that the owner of this site may be restricting anyone from entering the names involved.
9 Sep 2018 7:15
Not true. The website is only restricting bad language.
9 Sep 2018 7:35
My apologies, the names contain no swear words so this site is restricting posting the names. It’s enough to say that Paul Pentsa was involved in the Lokve Baptism. If anyone wants details to the extent of his involvement, please contact the Arad, Timisoara, Novi Sad, Padina, and Kovacica Elders.
9 Sep 2018 7:46
The website is nor trying to restrict anyone' name. Can you pls send these names by using the form at the bottom of the page (the orange box), as that one is less fussy. Thanks.
9 Sep 2018 8:05
European Elders: Laci Agustinov, Misha Bilek, Ondris Murtin, Garko Hurubik, Miro Papuga, Babka, Isakov and three other Romanian Elders from Romania.
9 Sep 2018 8:06
Btw. you sure these are all elders?
10 Sep 2018 12:45
who is Babka?
Miro Papuga is an assistant elder.
10 Sep 2018 12:52
He is an Assistant Elder in Kovacica.
10 Sep 2018 22:52
Can anyone from Hungary chuches confirm if Paul Pentsa was at the Hungarian elders meeting held on the 19th or 26th August 2018
11 Sep 2018 12:57
Forget Stanko Mibalzich in Pan?evo Serbia too. He know.
11 Sep 2018 15:26
Stanko Milbalzic from Pancevo is an elder or assistant elder?
16 Sep 2018 7:07
Well this is how it really is....Lets name them, please help fill in the blanks
Main elder/boss of America=
Main elder/boss in Australia=
Main elder/boss of Canada=
Main elder/boss of Serbia=
Main elder/boss of Hungary=
Main elder/boss of Romania=
Main elder/boss of Germany=
Once all the blanks are filled in then we'll know whos responsible for everything
lets try this first
16 Sep 2018 23:09
lets fill in names for these first.......
catholic church, jesuits, governments, constitutions, committee's, committee elder's, elders....
12. It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
13. And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people.
14. Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.
3. For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."
4. Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "'Come out of her, my people,' so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
2 Corinthians 6:
14. Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
15. What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
16. What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
17. Therefore, "Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."
For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the LORD made the heavens.
17 Sep 2018 11:08
Who is the boss, is very child-like questioning. The problem is not who the boss is. The issue is Elders protecting other Elders who lie, cheat and steel.
18 Sep 2018 3:52
The big boys:
18 Sep 2018 5:48
If Salvin is the boss of the USA and Canada do people know how he stands on baptisms from other denominations? Do the members know that he has accepted members who were baptized from other faiths?
What makes this so disappointing is that when most of us got baptized they spoke against fraternization and this is all new to me. So if the ACCN changed their stand on baptisms by other religions why didn't the elders bother telling the members? Also, who gets to decide to change the faith? Are we serving the Elders?
18 Sep 2018 11:16
they even made booklets on fraternization, and yet they do the complete opposite...........
18 Sep 2018 11:45
It's a shame that Doug Savin is changing the faith. ACCN Elders at least have the decency to tell the members your plans. Do you want to change the faith so that all the religions are one? At least be honest with your members! Tell them the truth! That is what your underlying plans are!
to doug savinski
18 Sep 2018 12:08
And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.
20. But ye have not so learned Christ;
21. If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
18 Sep 2018 12:15
Does Amish & Mennonites change their custom as what Nazarenes do?
18 Sep 2018 13:04
Nazarenes slowly going astray just as Israel of old when they were drifting away from God;
But the word of the Lord was to them,"precept upon precept,
precept upon precept,line upon line,line upon line,
here a little,there a little,"
That they might go and fall backword and be broken.
For we have made lies our refuge,and under falsehood we have hidden ourselves."
18 Sep 2018 13:11
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.
18 Sep 2018 13:12
most change the bibles teaching when they do not have persecution.
once there is freedom from the government, it changes the faith to MANY.
18 Sep 2018 13:14
Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination?
No! they were not ata all ashamed; nor did they know how to blush.
Therefore they shall fall among those who fall.
18 Sep 2018 13:28
8. But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
11. Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.
7. Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
8. Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
18 Sep 2018 14:01
Ok, I suggest we slow down a bit with all these Bible verses - I know you are trying to prove your point by quoting the Scriptures, but I just have a feeling most people skim-read all that. The problem is not in the Bible, it's in the people, so we want to hear what people think, what YOU think, not what's been written in the Bible. We all have our Bibles and read them regularly, right? I hope I won't be misunderstood. Thanks.
18 Sep 2018 14:47
I think it's better to preach from the Bible,instead of bulling & curse each-other; someone may learn something from the Bible.
These elders; if they did not get the message by now,they will never.
18 Sep 2018 16:03
we understand your point moderator, but, through time, if a tool is used and its not going to fix the problem, do we keep on using that same tool thats not resolving the issue?
do we try a different tool to fix the problem?
surely there could be more then one way to remove the elders that are in sin.
18 Sep 2018 16:05
99% of the problem "IS" because people do "NOT" read the bible.
if they did, they would know it better, and then they will be able to implement it in their lives, but they do not know the scriptures, NOR follow it.
if they followed it, we would not have the current problems we are facing.
12 Oct 2018 13:00
Pancevo Stanko is elder with son minister Botha Milbalzic.
21 Feb 2019 12:46
reading your ciments about so many topics is interesting.many people have many diferent opinions.if i can strengthen you in your faith that it is that the same thing happens in other churches as baptists and methodists and others.when i was baptised in north altona melbourne accof nazarene i was so happy and excited.i believed that all brethren believes the same as i.elders paul pentsa and andrew szabo taylor were brothers that i loved so much and all the church.i believed that only we will be saved and no one else.unfortunately as i grow up in the faith my knowledge of churches and members hurted me deeply and disapointed me.i was devastated.after so many years i am honest to myself and i know i am not perfect.if someone believes that is perfect i think you need to check up about it with god.maybe you are not.so please continue on in the faith god looks after you.god bless you.nv
26 Feb 2019 13:59
nebojsa, how are you going?
do you know what you were baptised for?
what you were baptised into?
let us know.
From: people that wish you well, and are praying for you!!
To: Nebojsa Vilus
26 Feb 2019 14:57
You had a lot of courage writing your name, address, email, and phone number. That is more courage than a lot of people on this website who post anonymously.
I hope you do not respond to these questions. If someone loves you as a human being or even cares a tiny amount, they will contact you via email, address or phone.
Plus these questions are irrelevant at this point since you got baptized into the faith and those questions should have been asked before you got baptized. You even don't owe this person a response.
For anyone who has gotten baptized into the ACCN faith, I wonder if you can recall an elder saying, 'the angels rejoice because a sinner has repented and given their lives to Christ.' The church members are a lot nicer when you are converting or a 'friend,' but after you get baptized, they show that they are not kind people. If the Altona members rejected you and didn't show you kindness than what makes you think that their comments or questions to you on this website is genuine?
do you know fact
26 Feb 2019 16:28
hello you from the US........
do you know the past actions of this Nebojsa?
its very clear that you don't.
he has harassed, and attacked young girls, and has currently chosen that he is not fit to want to attend church, apologise nor confess his faults for reconciliation.
he just wants someone to recognise him as a free member so he can marry anyone, as he has proposed to alot of sisters.
stay out of this conversation, as you do not know his history nor past events.
why would anyone knowing his past want to jump to meet his commands and demands???
why should anyone want to contact him when he has already been advised and contacted what he needs to do, but refuses.
people are willing, as God is also, willing to help, but he needs to be humble, confess and repent to be able to be reinstated.
people have told him this, and he simplys rejects counsel and suggestions.
we, however, are still willing, but he needs to meet Gods principles, Gods criteria, and Gods way of Holy Living.
we are not here to meet his principles, his criteria nor his unholy lifestyle nor unholy way of living.
26 Feb 2019 17:00
I agree with above comment:
"USA stay out of this conversation"...don't act as you know it all. U don't know this guy,he threatend to kidnap a girl from JankoTomek's chirch.He is all over the place.
Trust me:We know him
To do you know fact
26 Feb 2019 23:05
No. I do not know who Nebojsa is or his past actions.
What I do know from reading his posts is that he needs help. I can tell he wants a girl so he can get married. You didn't need to tell me what I could see.
Your church baptized him and stood up to say you were free for him. Your church is responsible for this soul.
I can also see perhaps this person, (I'm sorry Nebojsa, I don't mean to offend you) might have an intellectual disability and boundary issues.
As far as him 'harassing, attacking girls and not apologizing or confessing his faults for reconciliation,' I ask you this. Did your church members offer him counseling outside the church? If your church members are not equipt to handle situations like this did you seek professional help and offer it to him for guidance? Or did you just put him under the rod, shun him and laugh at him?
I have seen members in America get baptized with some intellectual disability. One person chases single girls, has boundary issues and is always taking pictures with single girls and at times makes girls feel uncomfortable.
I don't think to shun someone and asking them to confess to faults that they may not even be aware of and call him names like 'creepy' is helpful. Your church baptized him. Now show some Christ-like love and have some compassion.
This person reached out on this website, had he not done so I wouldn't even know him.
thanks for input
27 Feb 2019 0:08
thanks for your advise US, appreciate it.
i already looked into this option, and thanks again.
i tried and will try again, seeing you are reminding me on this, once again, many thanks.
in the mean time, just stay out of it, as you don't know the details.
many thanks for your concern, we need people like yourself.
next time you go on a vacation, make it australia, and put effort to come and visit Nebojsa, and give him your counselling.
we hope he accepts your options, but he hasn't accepted others, nor showed willingness to even try.
27 Feb 2019 1:25
I would have coffee with Nebojsa if I came on vacation to Australia, but I wouldn't visit your church.
coffee or lunch
27 Feb 2019 14:57
make sure you have coffee with him, or even buy him lunch, and give him your best counselling.
we hope and pray he accepts your advise, suggestions and counselling.