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ACCN Forum | two wives is ok

adultery is ok
Australia
16 Sep 2018 23:25

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Its heard Sandor Hevesi is residing in Brisbane once again with his second wife, and is first wife is still alive.

Has Sandor with his second wife attended Greenbank?

Have they attended Marsden?

Have they stayed in their fellowship as free members?

still more
Australia
17 Sep 2018 10:03

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Well, u can not physicaly throw nobody out from the church.

We have a person under discipline in Mt.Cottrell chirch that stays in the members.


means what
Australia
17 Sep 2018 10:50

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you cant, but the Bible does.

the bible cannot change for ANYONE, even those that committ adultery.

did I write this verse?

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

(does this mean have fellowship?)

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

(does this mean to be part or among them?)


To: still more
Australia
17 Sep 2018 11:19

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Yes of course you cannot physically remove anybody,that would be an offense and brought up to the police.
Jano, John and George Stefanides are not the only ones in Mt Cottrell that have taken possession of church funds. There are more that lie around to take things that don't belong to them. And who is the Elder for all these people?...yes Paul Pentsa, he is liable for all this corruption too.


Elder in Hungary?
USA
17 Sep 2018 11:44

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Does anyone know which Elder in Hungary married this couple?

bible only
Australia
17 Sep 2018 12:39

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it not only matters which elder married them, the problem also, is, that ALL Hungarian Elders agree and support this unbiblical teaching that adultery is allowed.

Mark 10:
7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.’So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Matthew 5:32
......and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

who is it
Australia
17 Sep 2018 12:40

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to:
still more

who at mount cottrell is the person in question here?

To: still more
USA
17 Sep 2018 12:57

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Please do not mention names here! Harming this person by shaming them further is not kind.

still more
Australia
17 Sep 2018 13:11

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to:
who is it

It's for me to know,and for u to find out!

absolute filth
Australia
17 Sep 2018 13:26

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thats cool.

as long as the church knows that adultery is a sin unto death, and that every elder, church and member that allows sin unto death to be in the fellowship, they, each and every member, will give an account for this.

as long as they are free to give an account on the last day before God, and they know about it, and take this accountability upon themselves, thats fine.

but,
let it be known that it is a sin unto death, and absolute filth who ever accepts this false teaching as biblical fine.

Leviticus 20:10
“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

1 John 5:17
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

this will not change for the hungarian elders nor for mount cottreel......

To: still more
USA
17 Sep 2018 13:30

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I'm sorry I thought the topic was about people who have fallen into sin by committing adulty or fornication. But this topic is about stealing funds.

It would be good to expose this because a person who steals for a living will need to steal again. So not mentioning it would be wrong.

I also heard that a leader from Mt Cottrell took around 40K of the church's money for him and his family to travel all around the world. Not sure if that is true. Can anyone confirm this?

check topic
Australia
17 Sep 2018 13:55

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the topic here is about "two wives"

To: still more
USA
17 Sep 2018 14:19

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I think I understand now. You are you saying that Jano Tomak, George Stefanides, and John Stefanides have stolen money from the church? Do they still have access to the church's bank accounts? Have they paid the church back?
As far as, 'There are more that lie around to take things that don't belong to them.' Not sure what that means? Are they stealing from the church or people outside of church through business dealings?

check
Australia
17 Sep 2018 14:30

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the "topic" here is about having "2" wives

Ok
USA
17 Sep 2018 14:37

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If the elders in Hungary say its ok then it must be ok since European elders said it....

meaning
Australia
17 Sep 2018 15:35

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which bible verse allows the hungarian elders to change the Lord's teaching on adultery?

Ok
USA
17 Sep 2018 22:51

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I was being sarcastic because everyone in the Nazarene church seems to think if Europe does it its ok. But they dont see that the European elders are full of wrongdoing just like the Americans.

Only one elder
Australia
19 Sep 2018 22:35

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Paul Pentsa did not allow this man to remarry, but that hungarian elder named Ferenc Szabados in ersekcsanad married them despite the fact that there's no evidence of his first wife cheated on him.

what does bible say
Australia
20 Sep 2018 0:05

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did paul penstsa disallow the marriage?

even if someone has evidence of the other spouse cheating, the bible does not allow remarry.

this is called adultery.

who is this guy
Australia
20 Sep 2018 0:07

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who is this ference szabados?

can we get a photo of him?

who does he think he is, God that can change the ordinance of holy living?

Busy bodies
Australia
20 Sep 2018 0:40

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Your minds are so consumed with others that you can't see yourselves! Always judging others. Let God be the judge, that's His job. Your job is to live an example of the Christian faith. Stop being busy bodies.

Confused!
USA
20 Sep 2018 6:32

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It is not about judging. It's about hypocrisy! If the faith has changed by the ACCN leaders, the members should know about it. You cannot ask your members to make a promise and then tell them they can break it after many years have passed. And if the rules have changed at least have the common decency to inform all the remaining members!


only option
Australia
20 Sep 2018 10:23

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the biblical rules cannot change and will not change about adultery, nor any other biblical fundamental principle.

Luke 16:18
“Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Exodus 20:14
“You shall not commit adultery.

1 Cor.6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

harming people
Australia
24 Sep 2018 0:29

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to:
who is it

It's for me to know,and for u to find out!

good answer....

its for you to not know, and for me not to find out....

harming people by speaking truth?
or pulling them out of the fire because they need to know?

another photo
Australia
26 Sep 2018 17:45

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can we now get a photo of:

ference szabados from erksecrand.

Moderator
Australia
27 Sep 2018 13:44

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If anyone has a photo of Mr Szabados please send it to us.

accnaustralia@gmail.com

defiled the church
Australia
5 Oct 2018 10:50

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yes, its been confirmed today that Sandor and his second wife were in the fellowship at Marsden.
so
Marsden is accepting a sin unto death in the fellowship.
the Hungarian elders have defiled Marsden by allowing adultery to creep in via Sandor and his 2nd wife, where Sandor's 1st wife is still alive.

Luke 16:18 states clearly:
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery".

1 Corinthians 7:27 states clearly:
"Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife".

Romans 7:3 states clearly:
"So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries".

Is this unclear to anyone?


Reality!!!!
USA
5 Oct 2018 17:33

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The reality is mercy will be given to the Israelites, God’s chosen people. The door is closing for the Gentiles. That is a fact. So it is no wonder that the elders make decisions which contradict the word of God and apply whatever rules they choose that is more in alignment with their own goals.

I bet these elders could never run a large organization by managing it the way they have been doing in their ACCN leadership roles. They would never make and I elive they would undoubtedly be sued.

Reality!!!!
USA
5 Oct 2018 17:51

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David Nicholson's employee of a prior company he was managing sued him for being racist. The ACCN elders did not investigate him and allowed him to continue to work as an elder and further discriminate and target families.

I guess if you dislike a man, and you are an Elder you have the right to abuse his children, grandchildren and use his funds against him. But that is the ACCN way! A bunch of hypocrites.

I wonder if posting on this website is a waste of time because it seems like nothing is registering in the ACCN elders minds to think that there is a problem here. And the problem is with their leadership.



Response
USA
5 Oct 2018 23:15

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To the above comment....we can smear them all day long for their evil works yet they dont care one biy because they know we cant so a thing about it. You think theyre concerned for the faith? Please! Theyre concerned for themselves and their positions. Everybody in the ACC knows this. Its being mentioned more and more how they dont care about us. The whole church country wide knows this is all a big scam. Their elder meetings are the biggest joke in the world.

good point
Australia
6 Oct 2018 0:17

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to: Reality

re.
I wonder if posting on this website is a waste of time because it seems like nothing is registering in the ACCN elders minds to think that there is a problem here. And the problem is with their leadership.

good point.
anther tactic can be used, if this way has been attempted is not working or its not getting anyone anywhere.

surely there can be more then one way it attempting to do good, remove elders, stand up for justice....yeah?


To: Response
USA
25 Oct 2018 2:36

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You're absolutely right!!! The elders love to travel with the churches money and be entertained by Christians. Think about, they fly for free, eat well and get respected. Meanwhile, they do nothing to help the struggle members with legitimate issues at their meetings and are more concerned about their meeting minute notes.

response
Australia
25 Oct 2018 14:18

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re.
...........are more concerned about their meeting minute notes.

do they still pass the minutes meeting notes to the government when requested?

Hungarian Elders
USA
30 Oct 2018 11:05

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Why would anyone criticize an Elder from Hungary? They are blest with a double portion of the Holy Spirit. You are just a simple minded member that needs to learn to submit to our Elder who are appointed and anointed by God. They are given the responsibility to interpret the Bible for our Churches, not you!

To: Above
USA
30 Oct 2018 12:16

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I didn't know that as servants of God we are not allowed to interpret the Bible. Are we not given the Holy Spirit to guide us or do we need the Elders to guide us each day?

'Simple minded member' - who made you a judge? The Elders are men, and they do fail. They are not incapable of making mistakes. We are supposed to die daily.

I speak for my self when I say that an elder is not leading me each day. And the reason I turned to God was not due to an elder, it was reading the Bible and being hungry to serve God.

in sin
Australia
30 Oct 2018 13:25

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to:

re. Why would anyone criticize an Elder from Hungary?

because he has sinned in God's eyes to allow adultery.

adultery is a sin, if you didnt know.

anyone allowing sin, is in sin, and not free from that sin.

to obey or not
Australia
30 Oct 2018 13:45

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to:

re. needs to learn to submit to our Elder who are appointed and anointed by God.

yes, absolutely true......"BUT" if and "ONLY" if its according to God's word, will, in truth, holiness and godliness.

if not, then nobody should EVER listen or obey any elder.

To: Hungarian elders
USA
31 Oct 2018 0:26

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This goes for all church elders world wide, eldership position is not a license to sin and to do evil to any member and believing they are good before God, elder is a servent that's it.
Prophet Moses did not give God the honor and glory therefore Moses did not enter the promise land.

chapter and verse
Australia
31 Oct 2018 9:56

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to : hungarian elders person's comment.....

re.
They are given the responsibility to interpret the Bible for our Churches, not you!

please supply chapter and verse that the bibles teaches this?

thanks

Trust in who?
Australia
31 Oct 2018 10:57

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What happens if people are listening and obeying the elders interpretation but that interpretation starts to sound all wrong and not of God? This is a fair concern wouldn't you say?


please respond
Australia
31 Oct 2018 21:20

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does anyone know where does it state that the elder has authority from God to interpret the bible?

please state chapter and verse...

Location???
Australia
7 Nov 2018 15:08

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Nowhere to be found!
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers: and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
2 Timothy Chapter 4 Verses 3-4.

yes
Australia
7 Nov 2018 18:03

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exactly.

very interesting verse and so true!!


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Paul Pentsa
Brisbane
Janko Tomek
Melbourne
Andrew Szabo
Perth
Vlada Papuga
Melbourne
Philip Ruzeu
Melbourne
Nick Pentsa
Brisbane
Michael Stanjo
Melbourne
STAY AWAY FROM THIS MAN! His mouth is full of Biblical verses but his heart is filled with hatred, jealousy, treachery and lust for power. This FALSE CHRISTIAN is the root of almost all evil in ACCN in Australia and he will even take you to court, if he can't get his way.
Janko is pretty much like Paul, dishonest and unloving, just less intelligent. Janko is now building his humongous "warehouse" in Tarneit, destined to remain void of both faith and members. This UNREPENTED SINNER is still dreaming about becoming an elder!
Hard-hearted and egoistic, this long-time "elder" has caused immense grief, division and misery amongst the Nazarenes in Australia. Some even call him a sadist... not that Andrew really cares about anyone's opinion, though. Currently residing in a nursing home in Perth.
Earned his nickname by constantly repeating "Ljubazni" (Dear Ones) while preaching. This recently appointed "elder assistant" is ambitious, but at the same time not clever enough to realize he will always be just Paul's and Janko's messenger boy.
Philip is Paul Pentsa's son-in-law and definitely his best student. Proud, stubborn, arrogant - a classic bigot. Due to his off-putting personality and some weird beliefs, he's not on very good terms with Janko Tomek and other Slovaks in Tarneit.
Here is your future Elder, whether you like the idea or not. Nicky is "a very nice guy". No gift for preaching or leadership skills, but being Paul Pentsa's son, he's actually got everything he needs. Sooner or later his Dad will find the way to install him as his successor.
Janko Tomek's loyal admirer and bodyguard - sleazy, hypocritical, dishonest and ignorant. His interpretation of the Scriptures can make you laugh as well as his awkward sermons in broken English.


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