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ACCN Forum | two wives is ok

adultery is ok
Australia
16 Sep 2018 23:25

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Its heard Sandor Hevesi is residing in Brisbane once again with his second wife, and is first wife is still alive.

Has Sandor with his second wife attended Greenbank?

Have they attended Marsden?

Have they stayed in their fellowship as free members?

still more
Australia
17 Sep 2018 10:03

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Well, u can not physicaly throw nobody out from the church.

We have a person under discipline in Mt.Cottrell chirch that stays in the members.


means what
Australia
17 Sep 2018 10:50

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you cant, but the Bible does.

the bible cannot change for ANYONE, even those that committ adultery.

did I write this verse?

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

(does this mean have fellowship?)

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

(does this mean to be part or among them?)


To: still more
Australia
17 Sep 2018 11:19

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Yes of course you cannot physically remove anybody,that would be an offense and brought up to the police.
Jano, John and George Stefanides are not the only ones in Mt Cottrell that have taken possession of church funds. There are more that lie around to take things that don't belong to them. And who is the Elder for all these people?...yes Paul Pentsa, he is liable for all this corruption too.


Elder in Hungary?
USA
17 Sep 2018 11:44

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Does anyone know which Elder in Hungary married this couple?

bible only
Australia
17 Sep 2018 12:39

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it not only matters which elder married them, the problem also, is, that ALL Hungarian Elders agree and support this unbiblical teaching that adultery is allowed.

Mark 10:
7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.’So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Matthew 5:32
......and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

who is it
Australia
17 Sep 2018 12:40

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to:
still more

who at mount cottrell is the person in question here?

To: still more
USA
17 Sep 2018 12:57

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Please do not mention names here! Harming this person by shaming them further is not kind.

still more
Australia
17 Sep 2018 13:11

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to:
who is it

It's for me to know,and for u to find out!

absolute filth
Australia
17 Sep 2018 13:26

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thats cool.

as long as the church knows that adultery is a sin unto death, and that every elder, church and member that allows sin unto death to be in the fellowship, they, each and every member, will give an account for this.

as long as they are free to give an account on the last day before God, and they know about it, and take this accountability upon themselves, thats fine.

but,
let it be known that it is a sin unto death, and absolute filth who ever accepts this false teaching as biblical fine.

Leviticus 20:10
“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

1 John 5:17
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

this will not change for the hungarian elders nor for mount cottreel......

To: still more
USA
17 Sep 2018 13:30

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I'm sorry I thought the topic was about people who have fallen into sin by committing adulty or fornication. But this topic is about stealing funds.

It would be good to expose this because a person who steals for a living will need to steal again. So not mentioning it would be wrong.

I also heard that a leader from Mt Cottrell took around 40K of the church's money for him and his family to travel all around the world. Not sure if that is true. Can anyone confirm this?

check topic
Australia
17 Sep 2018 13:55

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the topic here is about "two wives"

To: still more
USA
17 Sep 2018 14:19

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I think I understand now. You are you saying that Jano Tomak, George Stefanides, and John Stefanides have stolen money from the church? Do they still have access to the church's bank accounts? Have they paid the church back?
As far as, 'There are more that lie around to take things that don't belong to them.' Not sure what that means? Are they stealing from the church or people outside of church through business dealings?

check
Australia
17 Sep 2018 14:30

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the "topic" here is about having "2" wives

Ok
USA
17 Sep 2018 14:37

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If the elders in Hungary say its ok then it must be ok since European elders said it....

meaning
Australia
17 Sep 2018 15:35

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which bible verse allows the hungarian elders to change the Lord's teaching on adultery?

Ok
USA
17 Sep 2018 22:51

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I was being sarcastic because everyone in the Nazarene church seems to think if Europe does it its ok. But they dont see that the European elders are full of wrongdoing just like the Americans.

Only one elder
Australia
19 Sep 2018 22:35

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Paul Pentsa did not allow this man to remarry, but that hungarian elder named Ferenc Szabados in ersekcsanad married them despite the fact that there's no evidence of his first wife cheated on him.

what does bible say
Australia
20 Sep 2018 0:05

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did paul penstsa disallow the marriage?

even if someone has evidence of the other spouse cheating, the bible does not allow remarry.

this is called adultery.

who is this guy
Australia
20 Sep 2018 0:07

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who is this ference szabados?

can we get a photo of him?

who does he think he is, God that can change the ordinance of holy living?

Busy bodies
Australia
20 Sep 2018 0:40

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Your minds are so consumed with others that you can't see yourselves! Always judging others. Let God be the judge, that's His job. Your job is to live an example of the Christian faith. Stop being busy bodies.

Confused!
USA
20 Sep 2018 6:32

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It is not about judging. It's about hypocrisy! If the faith has changed by the ACCN leaders, the members should know about it. You cannot ask your members to make a promise and then tell them they can break it after many years have passed. And if the rules have changed at least have the common decency to inform all the remaining members!


only option
Australia
20 Sep 2018 10:23

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the biblical rules cannot change and will not change about adultery, nor any other biblical fundamental principle.

Luke 16:18
“Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Exodus 20:14
“You shall not commit adultery.

1 Cor.6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

harming people
Australia
24 Sep 2018 0:29

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to:
who is it

It's for me to know,and for u to find out!

good answer....

its for you to not know, and for me not to find out....

harming people by speaking truth?
or pulling them out of the fire because they need to know?

another photo
Australia
26 Sep 2018 17:45

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can we now get a photo of:

ference szabados from erksecrand.

Moderator
Australia
27 Sep 2018 13:44

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If anyone has a photo of Mr Szabados please send it to us.

accnaustralia@gmail.com

defiled the church
Australia
5 Oct 2018 10:50

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yes, its been confirmed today that Sandor and his second wife were in the fellowship at Marsden.
so
Marsden is accepting a sin unto death in the fellowship.
the Hungarian elders have defiled Marsden by allowing adultery to creep in via Sandor and his 2nd wife, where Sandor's 1st wife is still alive.

Luke 16:18 states clearly:
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery".

1 Corinthians 7:27 states clearly:
"Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife".

Romans 7:3 states clearly:
"So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries".

Is this unclear to anyone?


Reality!!!!
USA
5 Oct 2018 17:33

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The reality is mercy will be given to the Israelites, God’s chosen people. The door is closing for the Gentiles. That is a fact. So it is no wonder that the elders make decisions which contradict the word of God and apply whatever rules they choose that is more in alignment with their own goals.

I bet these elders could never run a large organization by managing it the way they have been doing in their ACCN leadership roles. They would never make and I elive they would undoubtedly be sued.

Reality!!!!
USA
5 Oct 2018 17:51

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David Nicholson's employee of a prior company he was managing sued him for being racist. The ACCN elders did not investigate him and allowed him to continue to work as an elder and further discriminate and target families.

I guess if you dislike a man, and you are an Elder you have the right to abuse his children, grandchildren and use his funds against him. But that is the ACCN way! A bunch of hypocrites.

I wonder if posting on this website is a waste of time because it seems like nothing is registering in the ACCN elders minds to think that there is a problem here. And the problem is with their leadership.



Response
USA
5 Oct 2018 23:15

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To the above comment....we can smear them all day long for their evil works yet they dont care one biy because they know we cant so a thing about it. You think theyre concerned for the faith? Please! Theyre concerned for themselves and their positions. Everybody in the ACC knows this. Its being mentioned more and more how they dont care about us. The whole church country wide knows this is all a big scam. Their elder meetings are the biggest joke in the world.

good point
Australia
6 Oct 2018 0:17

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to: Reality

re.
I wonder if posting on this website is a waste of time because it seems like nothing is registering in the ACCN elders minds to think that there is a problem here. And the problem is with their leadership.

good point.
anther tactic can be used, if this way has been attempted is not working or its not getting anyone anywhere.

surely there can be more then one way it attempting to do good, remove elders, stand up for justice....yeah?


To: Response
USA
25 Oct 2018 2:36

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You're absolutely right!!! The elders love to travel with the churches money and be entertained by Christians. Think about, they fly for free, eat well and get respected. Meanwhile, they do nothing to help the struggle members with legitimate issues at their meetings and are more concerned about their meeting minute notes.

response
Australia
25 Oct 2018 14:18

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re.
...........are more concerned about their meeting minute notes.

do they still pass the minutes meeting notes to the government when requested?

Hungarian Elders
USA
30 Oct 2018 11:05

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Why would anyone criticize an Elder from Hungary? They are blest with a double portion of the Holy Spirit. You are just a simple minded member that needs to learn to submit to our Elder who are appointed and anointed by God. They are given the responsibility to interpret the Bible for our Churches, not you!

To: Above
USA
30 Oct 2018 12:16

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I didn't know that as servants of God we are not allowed to interpret the Bible. Are we not given the Holy Spirit to guide us or do we need the Elders to guide us each day?

'Simple minded member' - who made you a judge? The Elders are men, and they do fail. They are not incapable of making mistakes. We are supposed to die daily.

I speak for my self when I say that an elder is not leading me each day. And the reason I turned to God was not due to an elder, it was reading the Bible and being hungry to serve God.

in sin
Australia
30 Oct 2018 13:25

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to:

re. Why would anyone criticize an Elder from Hungary?

because he has sinned in God's eyes to allow adultery.

adultery is a sin, if you didnt know.

anyone allowing sin, is in sin, and not free from that sin.

to obey or not
Australia
30 Oct 2018 13:45

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to:

re. needs to learn to submit to our Elder who are appointed and anointed by God.

yes, absolutely true......"BUT" if and "ONLY" if its according to God's word, will, in truth, holiness and godliness.

if not, then nobody should EVER listen or obey any elder.

To: Hungarian elders
USA
31 Oct 2018 0:26

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This goes for all church elders world wide, eldership position is not a license to sin and to do evil to any member and believing they are good before God, elder is a servent that's it.
Prophet Moses did not give God the honor and glory therefore Moses did not enter the promise land.

chapter and verse
Australia
31 Oct 2018 9:56

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to : hungarian elders person's comment.....

re.
They are given the responsibility to interpret the Bible for our Churches, not you!

please supply chapter and verse that the bibles teaches this?

thanks

Trust in who?
Australia
31 Oct 2018 10:57

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What happens if people are listening and obeying the elders interpretation but that interpretation starts to sound all wrong and not of God? This is a fair concern wouldn't you say?


please respond
Australia
31 Oct 2018 21:20

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does anyone know where does it state that the elder has authority from God to interpret the bible?

please state chapter and verse...

Location???
Australia
7 Nov 2018 15:08

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Nowhere to be found!
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers: and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
2 Timothy Chapter 4 Verses 3-4.

yes
Australia
7 Nov 2018 18:03

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exactly.

very interesting verse and so true!!

info
USA
5 Jan 2019 7:14

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Matthew 5:32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Sandor's first wife committed sexual immorality and she divorced him. As far as I know that is the European elders' view on this verse: If one commit sexual immorality in a christian marriage and divorces from his/her spouse the "innocent" party is free to remarry. That is why the Hungarian elders let him remarry.

mis interpretation
Australia
5 Jan 2019 15:31

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the hungarian elders mis interpret the bibles teaching on adultery.

this does not allow adultery by anyone.

Luke 16:18
Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

does NOT contradict Matthew 5:32

But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

except means: in this case only (meaning that the innocent spouse "IN THE CASE OF ADULTERY", can this divorce the guilty spouse. "NOT FOR ANY OTHER CASE"

this is CLEAR that the "ONLY" reason a innocent spouse can "DIVORCE" their spouse, is "IF" and "ONLY IF" their spouse has committed adultery.

"NO WHERE" does it state that the innocent spouse can "RE-MARRY".
if anyone can locate bible chapter and bible verse that allows "RE-MARRIAGE", please quote it.

clear verses
Australia
5 Jan 2019 15:37

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1 Corinthians 7:27 states clearly:

"Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife".

Romans 7:3 states clearly:

"So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries".

what part of Romans 7:3 which states..........

.....she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries....

Which part does it ONLY allow re-marriage?

The first part of Romans 7:3 states it clearly........
So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man.......

"THESE TWO BIBLE VERSES ARE CLEAR, THAT RE-MARRIAGE IS NOT ALLOWED" (while the other spouse is alive)

"EVEN IN A CASE OF ADULTERY"

It cannot be any clearer in these 2 verses.

please explain
Australia
5 Jan 2019 17:21

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the term is refered to both sides not only to the woman or not only to the man.
so, if she divorced him, that doesnt allow him to remarry.
if he divorced her, that doesnt allow her to remarry.
if he committs adultery, that doesnt allow her to commit adultery.
if she committs adultery, that doesnt allow him to commit adultery.
God does not justify one to commit sin, because the other has committed sin.
God allows for divorce if adultey is committed, but God does not allow re-marriage.
the verse "what God has put together, let no man put asunder", does not allow the hungarian elders to put asunder or to go further into sin by allowing to remarry, because the devil has put asunder.

what is unclear
Australia
5 Jan 2019 17:36

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1 Corinthians 7:

10. To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.

11. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

......but if she does, she must remain UNMARRIED...

does "remain unmarried" allow "remarriage"?

what part is unclear here??????????????????

re-marriage?
Australia
5 Jan 2019 22:43

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re.
1 Corinthians 7:27
"Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife".

if you are freed, or choose to be freed, does this verse allow you to look for another spouse to re-marry?



Fact
Australia
7 Jan 2019 7:46

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To Info USA, make sure you get your fact correct. Here in Australia we heard the story that his wife would not confess either yes she did commit adultery or no she did not, and because she would not confess either, the elders took it upon themselves to free the husband to remarry. You can make your own judgement about that. But let's make sure if you are stating a "fact" that someone committed an act of sin, that the person actually did do it. We can't say she did it if she did not confess it and there is no proof or witnesses. In Hungary,the elders are just assuming she did. Is that good enough? You can make your own judgement.

confirmed
Australia
7 Jan 2019 9:41

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One of the Elders in Australia ask her directly if she commited adultery,and the answer was NO.

to:fact
Australia
7 Jan 2019 16:35

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to :fact

this cannot over ride the bibles teaching on adultery.

adultery or no adultery by a spouse doesnt allow the other spouse to committ sin or adultery.



Fact or Fiction
USA
7 Jan 2019 23:33

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No ACC elder would free a Brother to remarry if his wife said that she did not commit adultery! I also believe that the Hungarian interpretation is correct. If a Brother or sister in faith is married and their spouse leaves them and remarries they are also free to remarry. As we promise... till death do we part and that spouse is now spiritually dead and no longer bound to the marriage.

to: Fact or Fiction

8 Jan 2019 9:32

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You are "completely" incorrect in your interpretation. Marriage is a union between a man and a women, which begins on earth and ends on earth. In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.  And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?  For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. Mark 12:23-25 Marriage is a physical (bodily union) NOT a spiritual union. A spiritual union is our life with the Lord and with the Church.  That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1 John 1:3. The word of God is very plain and clear, the Word of God says:  Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery ... ...  And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. Mark 10:11-12 It works both ways, whether the man leaves his wife and remarries, he is committing adultery, and if the woman leave her husband and remarries she is committing adultery. These are the words of Jesus Christ, (and cannot possible be incorrect in any way) Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. Luke 16:18 The subject here is the bodily (physical) marriage between a man and a women. One does not become "spiritually" married to his wife. Marriage is a bodily union. THEREFORE whosoever remarries while their first spouse is still alive (alive in the bodily sense) IS COMMITTING ADULTERY. The Hungarian interpretation is "incorrect" because it is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ. And another point: "till death do us part" is referring to the bodily (natural/physical) death.  Here is more scriptural evidence for you. Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Matthew 19:6 FLESH = BODILY  And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. Mark 10:8 These are God's words. Or, my friend, do you know better than God?

look into it
Australia
8 Jan 2019 11:39

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re.
....till death do we part and that spouse is now spiritually dead and no longer bound to the marriage.

apostle paul was refering to the carnal death, not spiritually death.



perfectly correct
Australia
8 Jan 2019 11:50

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TO:

to: Fact or Fiction

you are exactly 100% correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is biblically explained very clearly.

the hungarian elders and american elders interpretation is WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

one flesh
Australia
8 Jan 2019 11:52

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marriage is 2 become "ONE" flesh.

clearly that it is not spiritually bound, but bound by the flesh.

this is not hard to understand.

Spiritual Marriage?
USA
9 Jan 2019 2:30

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If a couple in the ACC Church gets legally married but are not yet married in the Church. They are not permitted to be joined in flesh (results in excommunication). If they are married in the Church prior to getting legally married (as in my case)they are free to be joined in the flesh. Which is Biblical the Spiritual marriage or the Legal marriage?

@spiritual marriage
USA
9 Jan 2019 2:45

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That's where they all start explaining their ways in all sorts of twisted beliefs.

Some will say legal means nothing as long as you're married in the acc church. You're cool to bed your partner. Yet, most likely the same person will be preaching about the need for obedience to the laws of the land.
While it's not required to get married legally in this day and age -in most countries- to live together....what will the acc people say when this couple has kids and now the kids are legally born out of wedlock? What will you say to the authorities? "ummm yeah we're married in the acc so our kid is not born out of wedlock..."?

I think the answer is: you need to be legally married too...

Remarriage
USA
9 Jan 2019 3:21

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It often takes months for the legal paperwork to be completed...especially if one marries outside of the their own Country. If one of the spouses died during this time/phase are they allowed to remarry in the Church? I'll leave that one to our imbedded Bible Scholars!

To remarriage
Australia
9 Jan 2019 9:28

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Rom.7;2&3
For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives.But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.

So than if,while her husband lives,she marries another man,she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies,she is free from that law,so that she is no adulteress thoughshe has married another man.


bound
Australia
9 Jan 2019 10:08

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spiritually bound is your covenant through God to your spouse (through God conducting it through His Church)

Eph. 5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

1 Cor.7:39
.......only in the Lord.
Marry in the Lord alone, is permitted by the Lord.
The Lord is Head of the Church.
The covenant in the Church, is what makes them spiritually bound.

Bound?

9 Jan 2019 23:45

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The reference to Rom 7 is exactly what the Hungarian Elders quote!
Although... they read that verse in a Spiritual way not fleshly.

they can repent

10 Jan 2019 0:29

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re.
comment in this forum : ( 8 Jan 2019 9:32)

this comment is very clear on whether its a fleshly or spiritual bond as Jesus gave the example in Mark 12:23-25.

the hungarian elders will be accountable for their error unless they repent and change.

Hungarian or not
USA
10 Jan 2019 0:58

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May we kindly judge the Hungarian Elders in the Spirit of Matthew 5:7 Blessed are those who are merciful to others; God will be merciful to them!

We all know that there has never been a consensus in the ACCN Church concerning Divorce and Remarriage (regardless of how many Bible versus -8 Jan 2019 9:32 likes to quote). May God be merciful to each of us on that judgment day!

fundamental?
Australia
10 Jan 2019 15:04

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God is merciful and will be merciful.

But, confess your faults to be healed is the only option to be released from each ones error of sin, before the judgement day.

man cannot be more merciful then God.
nor
can man approve sin as a method of being merciful.

adultery is not a small thing to differ peoples views.

this is a fundamental thing that cannot be altered in any way.

more from, Pilgrim
Australia
13 Jan 2019 13:10

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I wrote- to: Fact or Fiction on 08 JAN 2019 09:32
For the Hungarian elders to receive forgiveness, they need to reverse their decision, and need to correct (rectify) their sin. Eg: for a thief to receive forgiveness he/she must give back (restore) what they stole. THEN they can be forgiven. Should a thief expect to be forgiven without amending his/her sin? We all need mercy. But mercy is obtained when we CORRECT our sins and STOP breaking God's commandments. My friends, "Sin will NOT enter heaven".

spot on
Australia
13 Jan 2019 18:16

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exactly right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

confess the sin
Australia
13 Jan 2019 22:55

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confess means:

1. to acknowledge: a fault, crime, misdeed, sin..etc
2.to admit as true: realise that it was wrong or sinful
3.to declare or acknowledge (one's sins), in order to obtain resolution

James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.....

Sorry
Australia
14 Jan 2019 11:47

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There is no remission for "three unforgivable" sins , -after BAPTISM !!!!! It is clear from the bible !!!!
After baptism the three -unforgivable sins- cannot be rectified ...

Sorry ...!

Only God can be merciful - or NOT ...!

*Please do not put your hand into God's work ... !

*Confessions in these drama are too late ...!

The dead sinners should be cleared off from the shelves even if they were Elders or Participants ... or - Both in the actions !

why
Australia
14 Jan 2019 13:40

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why did Marsden Church then accept members that have commited sin unto death in their Fellowship?

Dear Pilgrim
USA
14 Jan 2019 23:31

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I am glad for your strong convictions but you might be wrong!

As was written earlier there has never been an agreement in the ACCN concerning remarriage in the Lord. Elders have gone back and forth on this issues for over 100 years. Please be careful in you condemnation of other true believers.

Concerning mercy you are wrong again! God grants us mercy everyday whether we deserve it or not. He grants mercy and compassion to even the friends who attend with us each Sunday. Mercy is not given based on repentance or some other actions!

May God be merciful to each of us in these confusing times!

sins unto death
Australia
14 Jan 2019 23:41

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there are sins unto death, whether one chooses to believe it, accept it or not.

that will not change fact, that sins unto death are sins that are delivered for the destruction of the flesh, so there is some chance AT the day of the Lord.

man, church nor elder/s cannot reinstate such memebrs that have committed sins unto death.

their spirit CAN be saved at the last day, but that is God to decide.

1 Corinthians 5:5 states:
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Pilgrim
Australia
15 Jan 2019 2:53

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How can a person receive mercy without restitution and repentance? How can a person expect to obtain mercy, if he/she has not repented? Surely, the Word of God must needs be our final say!! (Not man, not even Elders) The requirements for to obtain mercy- here are some verses to help-. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. But we do not "deserve" mercy! Luckily for us, God is rich in mercy. Eph.2:4 The Word of God shows examples of what is needed to obtain mercy. One must needs ASK for mercy, "behold, two blind men sitting by the way side, when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out, saying, Have mercy on us," Matt.20:30 The "FEAR of the Lord" is also needed, "And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation." Luke 1:50. We must "love" God and KEEP his commandments if we want to receive his mercy, "O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;" Dan 9:4. And, 'confession'. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins," 1 John 1:9. Conclusion: "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." Proverbs 28:13

not all Hungarians
Australia
15 Jan 2019 11:29

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We are Hungarians and do know that not all Hungarians agree with the Hungarian Elders, not even Elders in Ukraine or Serbia agree about remarriage while other spouse is still alive (sinned or not sinned doesn't matter)
When Panni Karlecik remarried in Baja - after about 20 yrs separated from Adam Karlecik from Australia, many members did not agree, walked out and some did not attend church service and neither took part in any of the wedding. Please do not assume all Hungarians agree with Sandor.

good to see
Australia
15 Jan 2019 12:14

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thanks for explaining that.

good to see that there ARE members that are awake.

good that they walked out, and did not participate in that evil error of work with the act of sin unto death.

that is what members should have done when sandor and his 2nd wife staying in the fellowship at marsden church.


No favoritism
Australia
15 Jan 2019 22:10

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"If we go on sinning ,after we have learned the truth,"NO SACRIFICE" can take away our sins...
All that is left ,is the terrifying wait for the "JUDGEMENT" and a raging fire, that will consume God's enemies."!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hebrews, chapter 10 verses 26-27.

- If you are not sure , please read it again , and again and also again ..........~~~!!!!! It is the same in any ones language ...

No favoritism !
Australia
15 Jan 2019 22:16

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"If we go on sinning ,after we have learned the truth,"NO SACRIFICE" can take away our sins...
All that is left ,is the terrifying wait for the "JUDGEMENT" and a "Raging - Fire", that will consume God's enemies."!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hebrews, chapter 10 verses 26-27.

- If you are not sure , please read it again , and again and also again ..........~~~!!!!! It is the same in any ones language ...


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Paul Pentsa
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Andrew Szabo
Perth
Vlada Papuga
Melbourne
Philip Ruzeu
Melbourne
Nick Pentsa
Brisbane
Michael Stanjo
Melbourne
STAY AWAY FROM THIS MAN! His mouth is full of Biblical verses but his heart is filled with hatred, jealousy, treachery and lust for power. This FALSE CHRISTIAN is the root of almost all evil in ACCN in Australia and he will even take you to court, if he can't get his way.
Janko is pretty much like Paul, dishonest and unloving, just less intelligent. Janko is now building his humongous "warehouse" in Tarneit, destined to remain void of both faith and members. This UNREPENTED SINNER is still dreaming about becoming an elder!
Hard-hearted and egoistic, this long-time "elder" has caused immense grief, division and misery amongst the Nazarenes in Australia. Some even call him a sadist... not that Andrew really cares about anyone's opinion, though. Currently residing in a nursing home in Perth.
Earned his nickname by constantly repeating "Ljubazni" (Dear Ones) while preaching. This recently appointed "elder assistant" is ambitious, but at the same time not clever enough to realize he will always be just Paul's and Janko's messenger boy.
Philip is Paul Pentsa's son-in-law and definitely his best student. Proud, stubborn, arrogant - a classic bigot. Due to his off-putting personality and some weird beliefs, he's not on very good terms with Janko Tomek and other Slovaks in Tarneit.
Here is your future Elder, whether you like the idea or not. Nicky is "a very nice guy". No gift for preaching or leadership skills, but being Paul Pentsa's son, he's actually got everything he needs. Sooner or later his Dad will find the way to install him as his successor.
Janko Tomek's loyal admirer and bodyguard - sleazy, hypocritical, dishonest and ignorant. His interpretation of the Scriptures can make you laugh as well as his awkward sermons in broken English.


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