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ACCN Forum | Mark Meister

Columbia Station
USA
14 Oct 2018 14:04

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You said that the Stefan’s heard that Misha Petras plan was to turn the Columbia Station church into a European Church and that was in participation with Stefan’s plan.

If you read Misha’s deposition and you asked him directly you would know that this statement is false.

Misha’s Deposition:
A. Andre Toth, he write the letter. I don't know what his problem. But Dorel Stefan was dealing with him. And one time, Traian Mohan stand up in the church, he was dealing with Stefan all the time, and he say, let's throw out all Apostolic Christian elders from the church and get Andre Toth. And that was at the time and Dorel and Petar Stefan. Then –
A. David Nicholson at that time wasn't the problem.
A. But Traian, he say that because that -- Dorel and Petar Stefan, they fighting so many things against the elders. Throw them out. Throw them out. European elders. European way. European -- but this has -- this has nothing to do with European way. This was a planning to take the church over and sell it. As you see, you already send us some offer and things like that, you want to sell the church
Q.They wanted to keep David Nicholson?
A. Yes.


You also confirmed that Dushko Drngojlovic told the Stefan’s that as trustees they could sell the church because it was legal.


I ask you when someone targets families and bully’s a pregnant woman, children, widows and the elderly do you tell the victims not to judge and to take ownership over the abuser’s actions?

In Misha’s deposition, he states that David told him that he is next which confirms that he was the target.


Misha’s Deposition:
A. look at how many kids was bullying and make a suicide because they was bullying. Why these people don't live a peace? You are faithful. You are faithful for yourself. Leave other people alone. Why you make it bullying every Sunday? And to push. I just want to tell you, when they push everybody out, I say to David Nicholson like this: David, everybody is out. Look at it. We are a very small number. What happen next? He say, you are next. He already know that I am next. So they start to go after me, after Dmytro, after -- just pushing everybody out.

As an ACCN Elder do you think that it is okay for a church to accept a member’s donations and then discriminate against them and kick them out?

In Misha’s Deposition, he stated that he wasn’t looking for money in return for his donation. He just wanted a place to worship God with his family.

Misha’s Deposition:
Q. Why didn't you just go to another church? Are there other churches --A. Why I have to go to another church? Why?
A. So, in other words, you want to say, everybody leave it and leave it to Stefan church. So that is what you are –
Q. My question was, are there other churches you could go to in the area?
A. Yeah, but why I have to go?

Q. -- if somebody else has the original deed that will prevent somebody else from selling it?
A. If the organization keep the deed nobody -- I cannot go over there, I done the landscaping, I done myself $100,000 worth of work or whatever, now I can go over there, this is mine. Once you put the charity, it is gone. It is not mine. I cannot have money back.

A. The first time I want to say, he told me five years ago whether we was doing the landscaping with my son and my equipment. I pulled probably 200 trees. I didn't donate money when the church was built, but I did landscaping. They know. Petar Stefan, he was with me, just collecting the branches and rock. And with my equipment we done everything. He donated $700 to put the branches, I mean, the shop. And he was helping out. He can say that. I done everything with my machine and my son. And then he say, why you don't buy that parcel property land? Because that building is set up on two parcel. And one parcel, we don't use it. So he asked me and my son. I was looking for the land. He said, why you don't buy this land? I say, look, I don't want to make it in the church argument that I stole it. That somebody going to say you stole property.
A. So he asked me many time to buy. And I even say to the -- the church, I say, brothers and sister, he offered me to buy that, I don't want it. I say to the David Nicholson, he was chairman when I said it in the church. I said, look, these people, Stefan they want to sell the church. They open -- and that time on the meeting, Dorel say, sell it. Sell it. Sell the church.

Columbia Station
USA
14 Oct 2018 14:07

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Imagine if there were no depositions, no court recordings and the church got sold? Who would people have blamed for the missing church money and the funds from the sale of the church?

Misha and his family did not have a chance. He was targeted, discriminated against and abused. Granted he was not the only member but he was the scapegoat, the person who was going to get blamed regardless of a) this going to court, b) facts and c) evidence.

Thank God that he is just and his mercy is pure and that the ACCN elders will not judge on the judgment day.

I don’t know how you can sleep at night? I don’t understand how the elders can ignore this situation and not take actions to correct it? Families got destroyed, and the elder's inaction and actions have caused a lot of hate. The elder’s job is to create peace and love and not to create hatred and to support criminals.

One day you will have to stand before the judgment seat, and you will remember all the wrong that took place in Columbia Station.


seriously dangerous
Australia
15 Oct 2018 13:09

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Let this be clear to everyone.

When the end comes, and Jesus returns for "HIS" Church (the members, not the building/s), "MANY" will be "VERY" surprised.


surprise means:

1. to strike or occur to with a sudden feeling of wonder or astonishment, as through unexpectedness.
2. to come upon or discover suddenly and unexpectedly.

1 Thess.5:2 writes:
For you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

and

1 Thess.5:3 writes:
While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

Can we see here the wording........"they will not escape."

"NO ONE" will have the ability to reverse "ANYTHING".

nor repent from their sin, nor commit in well doing, when the "END" comes.

Romans 2:5 writes
But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,

2 Pet.2:2-4 writes:
2. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

When the end comes, and Jesus returns for "HIS" Church (the members, not the building/s), "MANY" will be "VERY" surprised.

Spider's web
USA
5 Nov 2018 22:43

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To: Mark Meister and your buddies,

Cicka Petar Stefan caught you all in his Web of lies, why did you and still continue to support Petar Stefan's abuses against C.S members?
What did you gain by protecting David Nikolson? Let me tell you what Chicka Peter gained, Petar is laughing because he knows he did not close C.S church by him self Petar had your support, it makes sense Petar was laughing at the members and making fun of them with confidence.
How are you planning to fix your mess with the Stefan's or have you completely abandoned the C.S members?


valid reason?
USA
6 Nov 2018 0:51

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Brother Mark you and the elder body continued the abuse that the Stefan's started.

The moment you stood by these men you agreed and partook with the abuse the Stefan's inflicted on the innocent children, elderly and members of Columbia Station.

What good reason did the Stefan's have to kick members out of the church, do background checks on individual members, steal the churches money, etc.,?

Also what good reason did the Stefan's have to shut off the water which withheld bathroom privileges, turned off the heat, made fun of kids and members, charged rent to members who were contributing, etc.?

serious note
Australia
6 Nov 2018 14:07

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Ezekiel 14:
1. Then certain of the elders of Israel came to me and sat before me.
2. And the word of the Lord came to me:
3. “Son of man, these men have taken their idols into their hearts, and set the stumbling block of their iniquity before their faces. Should I indeed let myself be consulted by them?
4. Therefore speak to them and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Any one of the house of Israel who takes his idols into his heart and sets the stumbling block of his iniquity before his face, and yet comes to the prophet, I the Lord will answer him as he comes with the multitude of his idols,
5. that I may lay hold of the hearts of the house of Israel, who are all estranged from me through their idols.
6. “Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: Repent and turn away from your idols, and turn away your faces from all your abominations.
7. For any one of the house of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel, who separates himself from me, taking his idols into his heart and putting the stumbling block of his iniquity before his face, and yet comes to a prophet to consult me through him, I the Lord will answer him myself.
8. And I will set my face against that man; I will make him a sign and a byword and cut him off from the midst of my people, and you shall know that I am the Lord.
9. And if the prophet is deceived and speaks a word, I, the Lord, have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
10. And they shall bear their punishment—the punishment of the prophet and the punishment of the inquirer shall be alike—
11. that the house of Israel may no more go astray from me, nor defile themselves anymore with all their transgressions, but that they may be my people and I may be their God, declares the Lord God.”

did you take note on verse 10:

10. And they shall bear their punishment — the punishment of the prophet and the punishment of the inquirer shall be alike...

golden parachute
USA
29 Nov 2018 18:53

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Elders – how do you handle complaints when members steal charitable funds? Your reputation depends on how you address issues when people do bad things and how you treat those who have been victimized by those perpetrators.

Also, what have you done to address thievery and to prevent it from happening again? You have members embezzling over 100K, using church funds to travel internationally, using funds to do background checks on members, stealing all the funds from a church's bank account and taking ownership over a church building.

Giving a perpetrator a golden parachute and punishing victims to keep it quiet and to let someone escape free shows that there won’t be consequences and also shows how you handle victims. - Remember a man who will steal an egg will steal a chicken too.

News will get out and if it’s something you don’t want on the front page of a paper do what is right. Investigate embezzlement and do what is proper to comply with Gods law first and then the law of this land. Otherwise, you will continue to damage your reputation and the community.

why no resolution
Australia
30 Nov 2018 0:17

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neutral elders not involved in these awful sins can make a step, if they are willing to follow & obey the Spirit's leading.

one example is below......

Deuteronomy 19:
14. Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the Lord thy God giveth thee to possess it.
15. One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
16. If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17. Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the Lord, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18. And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19. Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

John 7:51
Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?

This is the reason why "MANY" neutral elders "CANNOT" and/or "DO NOT" take action against those elders in sin:

Romans 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

can you see the wording:.."who hold the truth in unrighteousness".






Police?
USA
30 Nov 2018 4:35

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So all the -alleged- criminality that's been going on with many of these acc churches... Has anyone called the authorities? Why can a Nikolson embezzle bags of money and not sit in the pokey for years??

Akron Baptism
USA
2 Dec 2018 12:42

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Mark Miester and Dushko Dragojlovic are performing baptism in West Akron church this weekend, they believe they are ready to perform baptism without making correction in their spiritual life, now they will teach the new souls about repentance and restitution.
Shame on them they don't fear God.

stand up sion
Australia
2 Dec 2018 22:20

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which church is allowing them to perform baptisms with sin in their lives?

why would any church allow them?

which church would not want to stand against their sins?

? to ACCN Bishops
USA
3 Dec 2018 0:40

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21: Thought therefore which teachest another,teachest thou not thyself? Thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

22: Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultry, dost thou commit adultry? Thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

23: Thou that makest they boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

24: For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

via certified mail
USA
3 Dec 2018 13:10

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The Elder Committee
Apostolic Christian Church (Nazarean)

May 31, 2016

Bro. Mihal Petras
7110 State Rd
Wadsworth, OH 44281

Dear Bro. Mihal
Greetings in the name of Jesus Christ, our Savior and Lord.
We write in response to your letter dated May 4, 2016 which included multiple enclosures and was addressed to "To Whom it may Concern." As we understand, this material was sent to many elder brothers within our ACCN conference.

With heavy hearts, we must express our sincere regret for the manner in which you have brought public accusations against an elder brother (1 Timothy 5:19). As a senior brother of the Columbia Station congregation, we trust you would endeavor to promote unity and peace within our fellowship and not dissension and discord (1 Corinthians 1:10).

We pray the Lord will grant you humility and grace to seek Forgiveness of Bro. David Nickolson for naming him in your correspondence and for bringing such strong condemnation upon a fellow brother in christ. We further urge that you cease the distribution of this material. This is not the way to bring peaceful resolution to the issues concerning the Columbia Station church property. Such actions do not honor God. Rather, they seriously compromise our witness to the community at large and cast a negative light upon the body of christ.

It is our understanding that a court date has been set for late June to decide upon the case involving the Columbia Station property. We will await the outcome of this legal proceeding to address this matter with you further. In the meantime, we beseech you to draw near to God and submit to the leading of the Holy Spirit, so that we, together, might be led upon the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

In Christ,
Bro. Dushko Dragojlovic
Bro. Willy Kurtz
Bro. Mark Meister







baloney
Australia
3 Dec 2018 14:19

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accusations against an elder brother....
accusations against an elder brother....
accusations against an elder brother...
accusations against an elder brother....

thats the "ONLY" thing that bothers every elder in sin.

if a elder was free from sin, why would it bother them?



who was in fault
Australia
3 Dec 2018 15:24

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re. comment in letter.........

We pray the Lord will grant you humility and grace to seek Forgiveness of Bro. David Nickolson for naming him in your correspondence and for bringing such strong condemnation upon a fellow brother in christ.

Was Bro. David in fault after all?

The ministers in West Akron caught Bro.David lying....yeah?

so, who was in fault after all?


righteous judgement
Australia
3 Dec 2018 16:05

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how many times did the elders step in when a brother or sister was accused of doing something, and it was later found out that it was not true?

did the elders step in to bring justice when a brother or sister is accused?
or
do the elders step in only when one of their buddies are accused?

where is justice and righteous judgement here?



Beware
USA
3 Dec 2018 23:04

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Do not trust these people,
Mark Miester
Dushko Dragojlovic
Willy Kurtz
David Nikolson
Paul Pentsa and their supporters

These people are church destroyers and family destroyers

was it ever done
Australia
5 Dec 2018 23:43

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when was this justice ever done:

Deuteronomy 19:
15. One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
16. If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17. Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the Lord, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18. And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19. Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

20 And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.

sad!
USA
8 Jan 2019 7:34

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The ACCN has members and leaders who take advantage of peoples trust, their fear of God and their respect of the church to get away with crimes. The sad part about it is you can catch someone lying multiple times, and the leaders don't do anything about it. Church won't save you, and an Elder or minister cannot save you, but repentance will.

Human Right

10 Jan 2019 2:38

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Did you know that water is a human right?

**On 28 July 2010, through Resolution 64/292, the United Nations General Assembly explicitly recognized the human right to water and sanitation and acknowledged that clean drinking water and sanitation are essential to the realization of all human rights.**

Did you also know that the Stefans turned off the water at the Columbia Station Church while members were gathering for services? The elderly, pregnant lady, children and members did not have drinking water nor were they able to use bathrooms comfortably during that time.

Do you also know who supported the Stefans? The ACCN elders.

For those elders who deny this ask yourself who signed papers to punish those who were trying to re-open the church? Were you not in alignment with the committee to hand the church over to the Stefans?

Also, for you, elders ask yourself - do your children and grandchildren attend church with the basic human need? Do they have drinking water and are they able to use bathrooms with ease?

Matthew
USA
12 Jan 2019 2:43

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Is doing less than the least according to God's law?

10:42 - And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

25:40 - And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

25:44  -Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Hospital!
USA
5 Feb 2019 13:42

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The church is a hospital, and people are supposed to go to church to be healed. But in this case, they are being killed by the Christians. They are not nice people, not friendly, very clicky, treat people like outcasts, etc., Think about it who targets widows, children and the elderly?

God is Good.
USA
11 Feb 2019 5:47

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To those who plotted and planned the execution of the members at CS and the sale of the church - Do you not see who has power on earth? God saw your hearts, and he did not bless you.

There were talks among the initial group that left that they would come into money after the sale of the church. (They would receive the money that they initially gave as charity). Also, both the Stefans and David Nikolson offered money as charity to Australia & the DS church in Ohio after they would receive money from the sale of the church building.

Those elders and members that worked diligently to help the Stefans with the sale of the church know this - you cannot fool God. He is not to be mocked, and he is not a respecter of persons. God is Good.

nebojsa vilus
Australia
21 Feb 2019 11:57

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does anyoneknows adres of pavle isakov from brisbane australia?my address is nebojsa vilus g14/100 mount st heidelberg vic australia

thank you

James 2:19
USA
7 Mar 2019 5:22

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Powerful, unstoppable, untouchable, mighty, spiritual, kings, etc., For those of you 'spiritual ACCN leaders' who harm God's children and think you are the 'above' when your soul is required you will give account for harming the innocent for you had the ability to stop the abuse, but you chose to continue to damage. You may not fear God because you don't see him but as the Bible says even the devils believe and tremble. (James 2:19)

To Police
USA
8 Mar 2019 13:36

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Hey police from Nov 2018 comment, a late response one might say? To answer your question as to why nothing can be done against Joe Nicholson from Vista, California, I heard from someone that they called San Diego Police and the FBI to investigate him, but were told that UNLESS The elders of Vista church release evidence of embezzlement or UNLESS they decide to press charges against him, he will most likely get away with it, or, they said they were told that since they know details of the case they can sue the church or elder(s) to release the rest of the information so that the members can press charges. So of course it would be very difficult to sue if you are a member of the congregation, because everyone would know who you are,(I am older and don't need the extra trouble) and I am sure that the elder(s) would try to counter sue as well, and try to punish, intimidate, or excommunicate you. Here's a question, how much cash did Joe Nicolson STEAL from the collection box(es)? There is no way I believe THAT can be counted, imagine all the old people, and all the children, and all the non members, (and me too!) THEY ARE ALL VICTIMS OF THEFT AND DESERVE JUSTICE! All of them putting money in that box, and then focus on the elders and how Joe was simply disciplined after all that, and then you will begin to realize the HIGH levels of corruption, and why the ACCN has been going downhill, and why people are unhappy with them. They know how to excommunicate other people for visiting other churches, but a slap on the wrist for Joe Nicolson? Unrighteousness at its finest! I hope the congregation in Vista can put pressure on the elders to press charges against him (and by law it does not matter that he is trying to pay back some, by law a serious crime was committed and here in America it's called a felony.

Greedy!
USA
9 Mar 2019 1:33

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What do Joe and David have in common? Both brothers and both greedy for money. Joe stole over 100K from the Vista Church. Had he not been caught, would his conscience bother him enough to stop him? And David the elder who said he was going to cut off the head of the snake (referring to two brothers in church on two separate occasions) had attempted to sell a church for profit. Both brothers had excuses as to why they needed the money — both very personal reasons.
The ACCN members and leaders choose who they want to protect. Was anything done to this snake slayer? - NO! They rewarded him with performing more baptisms and spiritual work.

Dave Nicholson
USA
9 Mar 2019 7:16

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Dear "Greedy" commentator, You will some day have to give an account for your false information. David Nicholson inherited the Columbia Station Church problems. If you recall there has always been infighting with these dear Brethren back to the time of Mike Bauman's oversight. I do not believe that David Nicholson had any financial interest in the Church being sold...you are spewing lies! I personally attended some of the meeting at CS and 150th...ungodly hatred prevailed and you are perpetuating it!!

E. 105th St
USA
9 Mar 2019 13:53

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Correction: it was not 150th St. it was E. 105th St. I also don't understand your connection with the E. 105th St. and the illegal closing and selling of the CS church building. The closing of 105th was over 40 years ago, and most of the members have passed on.

The Romanian church still till this day resents Columbia Station Chruch because of the hatred that has been passed on from Moses Magda Sr's dad Sever. That hatred still exists till this day. Ask anyone who knows Moses Magda Sr. if he has ever set foot in the CS church building? He has and is vocal about his about resentment towards the CS church members.

Moses Magda Sr. along with David Nikolson, Petar Stefan and Dorel Stefan had secret meetings and plotted the closing of CS church.

Dorel Stefan was the acting agent of Columbia Station. Therefore, all notifications regarding updates of the church building which included, fire marshal inspections, septic sewage inspections, real estate proposals, etc., went through Dorel Stefan. Which Dorel never notified the church.

Dorel and Petar Stefan were friends with David Nikolson from his youth, and in the court testimony, these men stood by each other side by side (you can listen to the court recording on youtube to confirm with your ears)

David Nikolson was sued by his past employee. Are you telling me he didn't need money? David Nikolson used the CS church as an opportunity to cash in on some of that money. He is a fraudster period.

Lastly, the young generation has nothing to do with E. 105th St. and the Geraldine Romanian Church's fighting, nor has the young children have anything do with this hatred. What did the young kids do to deserve this abuse? It is apparent that the old generation brought the young ones down. They tried to include everyone in their past hatred, grudges, arrogance, and pride.

Greedy!
USA
9 Mar 2019 14:47

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To: Dave Nicholson

You said that David Nikolson had no financial interest in the church building. If he didn't have any involvement with the sale of the CS church why did he offer money as charity after the sale of the building to a church overseas?

Someone with no financial involvement would not offer money as charity using the CS building sale funds; therefore he had direct contact and connection with the million dollar deal that fell through.

If you want to say something get your facts straight and do a little research to gain insight into the CS church matter. There is enough evidence on this website, and you should also listen to the court tapes to hear it from the horse's mouth.

Question?
USA
11 Mar 2019 4:31

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What church do you attend: Akron, Brunswick, Medina, etc.,? I ask you this if your Husband, Brother, Uncle, Dad, Friend, Grandpa, Son, etc., was contributing to your church and then masterminds took hostage over your church, kicked his kids, grandkids, the elderly, widows, fatherless, all members out, and then blamed it on your loved one would you be standing up for the perpetrator who conducted the scheme?

Selling CS was a deliberate, and premeditated act. Had the ACCN elders been transparent and said you know we are going to kick you guys out of the church, you can find a new church, and we need the money, etc., would God not have been more pleased. But no, what these masterminds did was blamed all the problems on one man and his family.

*****If the church got sold, who do you think would have been accused of the lost money after the sale of the church?*****

You cannot fool God. The CS act will not be the end of corruption. Once you start doing bad things, it will only escalate to harming more of God's children until God has said it's enough.

Have some compassion and think! Put yourself in the accused shoes and see how you would respond had that happened to you.

Sucked in
Australia
11 Mar 2019 10:23

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Come on! How long are you going to support the one man and his family. Yes it's wrong to put the blame on one person and his family. BUT, this man and his family were just as bad as the Stefans. When they were together with the Stefans and strategising on getting members to leave CS, then it was ok? This man and family must still be feeling guilty of their stupidity and unchristian like behaviour towards those members that left CS. That man and family can complain all they want, they are as much fault in the CS situation as the Stefans.
By the way, if that man and his family are so lovely, where do they go to church now? Did they go and join a congregation in the area like the others, that were tortured by him, his family and the Stefans, or is he still roaming to and fro?

Repentance
Australia
11 Mar 2019 10:34

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Has Joe been put under some restriction from the church? Had Joe been admonished and now repenting for his sin? If so, please leave him be, it's hard enough to repent and cleanse our robes of white. He doesn't need people who are self righteous to keep going against him. We've all done some sort of sin or are still living in sin but no one knows about our sin/s. How would we feel if people were hate us b/c of our sin and not wanting to forgive us?
I'm talking to those who are so against Joe and don't want to forgive him. Be careful, we want God to forgive us our sins too.

Ignorance!
USA
11 Mar 2019 11:32

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THIS IS NOT TRUE! --- 'When they were together with the Stefans and strategising on getting members to leave CS, then it was ok? This man and family must still be feeling guilty of their stupidity and unchristian like behaviour towards those members that left CS.'---

Did you not read the depositions? Ignorance must be bliss. Thank God that the CS church building was NOT sold - because ignorant people like you would accuse him of taking all that money.


'bad man'
USA
11 Mar 2019 11:34

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You must know that 'bad man' pretty well for someone living in Australia. You probably never stepped one foot in C.S church so how about you reveal your identity so we can analyze you?

maybe
Australia
11 Mar 2019 11:53

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does this person has JP as his initials, by any chance?

To: Sucked in
USA
11 Mar 2019 12:11

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Let's start with you, Mr. or Ms. 'bad man'. Are you a member of Cucanic's church or Tomak's church? If its the latter then you are a hypocrite. Or are you that type of person that blames the elders and sits idle? Well, you are still partaker of what happened in the past with Altona North church. And if you are from the Cucanic's church, well then I can tolerate you.

Sucked in
Australia
11 Mar 2019 12:42

1526 views
Let's just say...my father and Petras were very close friends a long time ago.

To: Sucked in
USA
11 Mar 2019 13:17

1517 views
Okay, you must be Ondrish. We can talk about you because you are no longer a member of the Cucanic's church.

Let's talk about abusing those with down syndrome disabilities. You used him and abused him. You took his pension, and your parents made him your families slave. I witnessed it.

I've wanted to tell you a long time ago that you and your father and entire family are abusive. Ps. When was the last time you or your immediate family visited him or does he still panic and turn you away?

To: Sucked in
USA
11 Mar 2019 13:21

1513 views
Ondrej Sulja right?

Seriously?
Australia
11 Mar 2019 15:23

1483 views
First you accuse and put shame of the Sulja family, which they may have done the thing you're saying, then you ask if it's Ondraj Sulja?

To: Seriously?
USA
11 Mar 2019 15:37

1475 views
Shame on the Sulja family? You have got to be kidding me!

Seriously?
Australia
11 Mar 2019 16:07

1469 views
Yes a real big shame on Sulja family, if it's true. Seeing that there's a witness, then yes, a very big shame. And they act so Holy, what a load of rubbish.

Seriously?
Australia
11 Mar 2019 16:15

1464 views
Well, at least the parents act so Holy.

maybe
Australia
11 Mar 2019 17:00

1452 views
does this person has JP as his initials, by any chance?

ondrej suljas initials are OS or JP?

Sulja abusers
Australia
11 Mar 2019 18:04

1442 views
Not only did the Sulja family abuse their down syndrome relative but financially abused innocent families when he took their uilding bdeposits and ran away from Melbourne to Brisbane. He OS left families in ruins, crying and devastated. One family was renting and living off 50K when OS took his deposit, ran and never completed their homes. How many tradies and suppliers to you owe OS???? 4 million...that is very holy!

Holy, no way
Australia
11 Mar 2019 18:07

1441 views
No way holy, more like a thief.

Not good
Australia
11 Mar 2019 20:20

1423 views
What the family was living off 50K yearly before tax and he took their deposits and ran. How sad and pathetic!

David Nicolson
USA
11 Mar 2019 22:52

1397 views
I am not related to David Nicolson or any one in his family, just an observer. I feel that David was a victim of the circumstances that he inherited at CS. As previously mentioned the Rumanian brethren have been fighting and had hatred since they came to the Cleveland area. Elder Stephan Babin recommended they separate themselves from the "English Church" and they have been fighting ever since. I helped work many many hours on the CS Church building during construction. Due to infighting the brethren could no longer exist as a congregation...unfortunately!
Whether intentional or not the Petras family added poison to the venom in this situation.
May God grant healing and forgiveness to each of us before that great and horrible day of judgment!

Repentance
Australia
11 Mar 2019 22:56

1395 views
If we don't know the whole story or truth behind his business collapse, then let's leave Ondraj and his family alone. Give them the space they need to repent and make it right with those people/families.

Sucked in
Australia
11 Mar 2019 23:03

1390 views
You don't know me....and I don't care to know any of you who are writing here, and that's the beauty of this website.

To: David Nicolson
USA
11 Mar 2019 23:49

1377 views
Misa Petras is at fault because he revealed what David Nikolson, the Stefan's and the elders did in their criminal activities in trying to profit over a building by kicking his family and the remaining members out.

Thank God that Misa Petras revealed it otherwise people like you who say, 'Petras family added poison to the venom in this situation' would blame him by saying that Misa Petras stole the church, sold it and took the money to Australia.

People like you who support these criminal acts will not go unpunished. You share their sin.

At least Misa Petras can sleep with a clear conscience because he didn't push people out of the church, (read the deposition and educate yourself).

Babin did what
Australia
12 Mar 2019 0:38

1365 views
re.
Elder Stephan Babin recommended they separate themselves from the "English Church" and they have been fighting ever since.

Why would elder Babin recommend this?

Did he try to make reconciliation?
or
Did he try to continue the issues and problems?

Moving away without repentance does not resolve the issues....as clearly seen, yeah?



Colunbia Station
USA
12 Mar 2019 0:41

1365 views
I agree with the writer above "Due to infighting the brethren could no longer exist as a congregation at CS"
The Bible says: Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.” 1 John 3:15
This includes the Brothers who filed the lawsuit and refused to take the peaceful way (humility).


To: David Nicolson
USA
12 Mar 2019 1:21

1353 views
A criminal act was committed here. You can try to justify it and say that it was due to the fighting, but the church was closed ILLEGALLY. Also, The remaining members were targeted and discriminated against not only by those who stole the church but by the elders and some of the members at other churches who supported these illegal activities.

When the church was almost sold the proceeds from the initial offer to buy the church was offered to other churches after the sale, and the charity money that initial members gave was offered back to them. I don't know how that is legal. Nothing but criminals!

To: David Nicolson
USA
12 Mar 2019 2:43

1337 views
Your comment that 'David was a victim of the circumstances that he inherited at CS' is untrue on so many levels.

David Nikolson, the man that you are standing up for abused Brother Jon Petruc. He threatened him and then punished him.

WHY?

Because Brother Jon Petruc didn't give him the deed.

David Nikolson also promised Brother Jon that he would be reinstated as a minister after he had given him the deed. Was that ever done? No, that man died under punishment and suffered much by the abuse caused by David Nikolson and his partners Petar and Dorel Stefan.

Also, was the man you accused of causing all the problems even in the country at the time of Brother Jon Petruc's punishment and when the deed was taken from him? No, he wasn't! He was in Australia. (Again, read the deposition).

David Nikolson is a liar, an abuser, and a CRIMINAL!

To: Colunbia Station
USA
12 Mar 2019 3:04

1331 views
To the one who protected David Nikolson. How many families were crying for David to help them? How many times did Peter Oldja cry and a plea for David Nikolson to help and stated that Petar, his wife, Dorel, and Rosy Stefan were abusing his family and the church members? How many sisters and kids were kicked because of Peter Stafan and David Nikolson? Did they care for one of them? No! David Nikolson was laughing with Petar Stefan. He like an elder had a job to make peace in the church, not to be the first one to run and the first one to sell the church with his friend Petar and Dorel Stefan.

Columbia Station
USA
12 Mar 2019 3:34

1325 views
Dear Ones, Br Jon Petruc was a faithful minister and example!

My only point above was that the members who refused to work with any ACC leadership are just as guilty and in the wrong as the members who sold the Church! There is no difference between these 2 groups. I am sorry the truth hurts!

To: above
USA
12 Mar 2019 4:25

1316 views
The only reason to justify them is being one of them. Which one are you: Matei, Meister, Dushko, or their loyal supporters.

You don't sound like you are unbiased to the situation. It's personal to you. That's why you said, 'I am sorry the truth hurts'!

Yeilding to man is not what we are called to do. Jesus stood up for the unjust.

Petar Stefan and David Nikolson knew that Brother Jon Petrus would not agree to the sale of the church. So They punished him and threatened him.

These were ACC leaders. David Nikolson was an ACC leader. The ACC leaders that you are asking the members to yield to are partakers of what David and Petar and Dorel Did.

I'm sorry you sound confused. Look up laws and regulations starting with the Bible and then rules on non-profit organizations.

To: ACC leaders
USA
12 Mar 2019 7:17

1296 views
Do you know that Misha Petras can take the ACC to court? You ACC elders discriminated against him, and you abused him and his family. This website can be used as exhibits to support his case.

You ACC elders allowed him to go to court and then you discrimination against him, punished him and used his own money and family against him.

You ACC elders with Stefan's took over the church. You are nothing but corrupt people who abuse God's children.

simple
Australia
12 Mar 2019 9:36

1275 views
Let's just say! Where ever Petras goes,he leaves footprints.

To: Simple
USA
12 Mar 2019 10:20

1263 views
Oh, you poor thing. The amount of suffering you have endured from this one individual who hasn't seen you in what 25+ years? In all these missing years he still has an impact in your life.

???
Australia
12 Mar 2019 11:36

1248 views
I don't think you understood "simple"
What is being said is....Misa comes, causes a stirring in an unpleasant way, then leaves and the rest of the people that stay need to live with his unfruitful medling. That is the footprint he leaves behind pretty much everywhere he goes.
Just like CS, but this time others knew Misa's ways and let him cause problems then they got rid of him and others that supported his unfruitful ways. Now do you understand a little better? Good, I'm glad to help.

To: Simple & ???
USA
12 Mar 2019 11:45

1244 views
I understood what 'simple' was trying to do and say. I think you and the Australian's are trying to blame one man for all your and Australia's problems. Do you know that there is a psychological, medical term for that?

If you are saying that Misa caused all 'these' and 'your' problems why don't you be specific and not vague? It sounds like you have a lot of issues over there. I would like to know specifics, so you don't look mentally ill.

To repentance
Australia
12 Mar 2019 11:51

1240 views
What do you mean Ondrej Sulja is repenting? He still owes so many people money, repenting is paying them back what he has stolen, that is full repentance. There is a proven list he owes people both suppliers and tradies.

25+ grudge
USA
12 Mar 2019 12:05

1233 views
There's a difference between holding someone accountable and responsible for damages, but what you are doing in Australia is talking about a 25+-year-old grudge.

You certainly portray yourself as a good Christian but did you even follow the Biblical foot print of going to your brother alone to gain your brother? or what about the second and third step? And if you haven't, then what are you waiting for? Because right now all you are doing is making false accusations are slandering a brother.

Enlighten us in American so we can better understand your accusations.

25+ grudge
USA
12 Mar 2019 13:00

1221 views
Help us understand what you are referring to because you keep repeating the same thing over and over again without making any sense?

What did Misa do to you to impact your lives in such a manner that you can't move on after 25+ years?

Was he vocal in your old church before the split in the early '90s? Is that what you are referring to? Are you stating that Misa caused that split?

Someone can't help your situation with the statement you are making. You need to back those comments with facts or moments in time to get clarity or have any resolution on your grudge.

If it is because he was vocal, is it your churches common practice at either Tomak's or Pentsas church that if a member disagrees with either Tomak or Pentsa, then they are automatically judged and condemned for hell damnation?

ACC Leaders/Petras
USA
12 Mar 2019 23:17

1167 views
To the writer above: "You ACC elders allowed him to go to court and then you discrimination against him, punished him and used his own money and family against him."

Who had the upper hand here? The Elders Did NOT want to go to court. Nobody cares about YouTube videos and depositions! Petras used his own money and time to hand them the property. Who is the real fool here??


To: sucked in
Australia
13 Mar 2019 0:08

1154 views
Let's just say..."my father and Petras were very close friends a long time ago"

No wonder they were close friends... both same the trouble makes.

Suckered in
USA
13 Mar 2019 1:01

1141 views
Is that why you left your trouble maker dad's church "dad's no good"
But Pentsa and Tomek are better?

To: ACC Leaders/Petr
USA
13 Mar 2019 2:45

1128 views
"Fools" for reopening the church. Very kind of you and not Christian. According to you and the ACC elders, lots of churches should be closed than right? Do you have pace in your church? How are many splinter groups in America and Canada?

Matthew 5:22 - 'but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.'


To Trouble makes
USA
13 Mar 2019 2:48

1126 views
A false witness will not go unpunished, and one who pours out lies will perish.

-Proverbs 19:9

To trouble makers
USA
13 Mar 2019 3:08

1123 views
Hi David Nikolson

Outsider
USA
13 Mar 2019 4:06

1116 views
I've never set foot in any of your churches. But based on the publically available records (letters, court documents, YouTube recordings) referenced several times on this site I am aghast. It is unbelievable to me that such a blatant disregard for the law is tolerated by faithful members of this church.
Just because their peers can't seek justice doesn't make it any less wrong.
My heart breaks for the faithful of this institution, who are prey to these predators.
These so-called leaders are nothing but opportunistic greedy and quite honestly evil individuals who think way too highly of themselves.
It seems like their main concern is to get away with their crimes and keep their power at the same time. I would be very wary of these people if I were around them and would probably distance myself. I don't go to a church at all but I know right from wrong.

CS
USA
13 Mar 2019 5:29

1104 views
The fish starts to stink from the head. If the leader were not corrupt, this would NEVER have happened.

David, the ACC leader at the time, was NOT working with the CS church members. He was working with his friends Petar and Dorel Stefan. It was because of David that the deed of CS ended up in the hands of this father and son both trustees of CS. It was because of David that the CS building is for sale.

CS #2
USA
13 Mar 2019 6:23

1091 views
Dear Petras, Why all the lies? Why would David N. want to sell the Church? What motive would he have? He told me once that he dreaded going to CS for work! The deed should be in the hands of the trustees not a particular minister.

David N was just trying to bring peace to a congregation that hated each other! He was in the midst of a bunch of vipers and he became one of the casualties ! You were one of the poisonous snakes in this whole mess!!

CS
USA
13 Mar 2019 6:58

1081 views
So first Brother Jon Petruc was the snake and David said he chopped the snakes head referring to Brother Jon Petruc and now you are saying that Petras is the poison snake. Okay.

So Petras is a poison snake, and Dorel and Petar are selling the church as trustees of a nonprofit organization. They changed the non-profit to commercial and put a big for sale sign in front of the building. So who is the snake?

You tell me why Dusko D. would tell Petar and Dorel Stefan that they could sell a non-profit organization as CS church trustees? And why would David hold on to the minutes and then sign a paper with 'legal review'? Also, why would David go to court and stand before a judge in defense of these two men? If you listen to the court recording, he contradicted himself and even confused the judge.

title change
Australia
13 Mar 2019 12:22

1034 views
if the stefans change it to a commercial zone, then it wont sound that bad that they are selling the church, because its not under the title as church anymore, it will be a commercial building.

lie from hell !!

100% the devils plan
USA
13 Mar 2019 23:44

984 views
The word of God tells us in Matthew 19:14 'But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.'

It was 100% the devils plan to sell CS church and kicked out members!

The ACC has a reputation for selling and kicking members out of churches. You now have three that we know of: Sydney, Altona and Columbia Station.

In addition to that when the CS members were kicked out of Columbia Station Moses Magda from the Cleveland Romania church said the CS members were not welcome to attend his church. Also, Petar and Dorel Stefan with their spouses and kids attended his church after the closure of CS, and Moses Magda asked Dorel to say a prayer. So Moses Magda not only supported and planned with David and the Stefan's to close CS but he also discriminated against the CS members. Moses Magda's church is a family business.

And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. -Luke 19:40

ownership by man
Australia
14 Mar 2019 0:15

978 views
who owns the Cleveland Romanian Church ?
God?
or
Moses Magda?

who does this Moses think he's not?





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Netherlands
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Outsider
USA
15 Mar 2019 4:59

865 views
'Cut the head off of the snake' I've never heard that expression used in real life only in soap operas. It's melodramatic and judgemental. I feel bad this is the way the leaders communicate to and about their members.


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STAY AWAY FROM THIS MAN! His mouth is full of Biblical verses but his heart is filled with hatred, jealousy, treachery and lust for power. This FALSE CHRISTIAN is the root of almost all evil in ACCN in Australia and he will even take you to court, if he can't get his way.
Janko is pretty much like Paul, dishonest and unloving, just less intelligent. Janko is now building his humongous "warehouse" in Tarneit, destined to remain void of both faith and members. This UNREPENTED SINNER is still dreaming about becoming an elder!
Hard-hearted and egoistic, this long-time "elder" has caused immense grief, division and misery amongst the Nazarenes in Australia. Some even call him a sadist... not that Andrew really cares about anyone's opinion, though. Currently residing in a nursing home in Perth.
Earned his nickname by constantly repeating "Ljubazni" (Dear Ones) while preaching. This recently appointed "elder assistant" is ambitious, but at the same time not clever enough to realize he will always be just Paul's and Janko's messenger boy.
Philip is Paul Pentsa's son-in-law and definitely his best student. Proud, stubborn, arrogant - a classic bigot. Due to his off-putting personality and some weird beliefs, he's not on very good terms with Janko Tomek and other Slovaks in Tarneit.
Here is your future Elder, whether you like the idea or not. Nicky is "a very nice guy". No gift for preaching or leadership skills, but being Paul Pentsa's son, he's actually got everything he needs. Sooner or later his Dad will find the way to install him as his successor.
Janko Tomek's loyal admirer and bodyguard - sleazy, hypocritical, dishonest and ignorant. His interpretation of the Scriptures can make you laugh as well as his awkward sermons in broken English.


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