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30 Jan 2019 0:21

Leah and Donna Mate have with the courts help changed Melanies surname to Matthews. It's Melanie Matthews she's not a Selakovic anymore. Marsden keep these evil people in there church congregation after committing sins unto death. John Petrak knows but doesn't care shame on him he's responsible for not doing anything about this.

Who Cares
30 Jan 2019 2:14

Jesus changed his disciples names too. From Simon to Peter.

To: Who Cares
30 Jan 2019 7:03

Are you referring to a Bible analogy to a child surname change due to a husband and wife separation/divorce? Not trying to judge, but that is inappropriate on so many levels. It goes to show you when people want to be hurtful all they have to do is find a Bible passage or a Bible parable to justify and make things right.

30 Jan 2019 7:18

Outside perspective (non-christian), if Leah and her mother did it out of spite, she is mean. And if Leah and her mother were Christians, they wouldn't be behaving in a way that is full of hate, revenge, and hypocrisy.
I pray and hope that when this little girl grows up, she gets therapy to help her, so she doesn't end up having a personality disorder.

name change
30 Jan 2019 10:59

have both parents agreed on the change of name for their child?
if so, whats the problem here?

To name change
30 Jan 2019 11:05

The father has not agreed to name change why would he change his child's name

30 Jan 2019 11:50

oh, really?
why would the mother want to change it, if they as both parents didnt agree?

what is the reasoning here?

shed some light
30 Jan 2019 11:52

could this verse shed some light perhaps, as the Bible has all the answers.........

When a crime is not punished quickly, people feel it is safe to do wrong.

30 Jan 2019 13:28

Mother has separated from child's father...yet doesn't let him to see his daughter.

christian like?
30 Jan 2019 16:01

why would any christian want to act this way?

this is not christian like

30 Jan 2019 23:11

are these people free members at Marsden Church?

have elders taken a step towards investigating their actions?

To investigations
30 Jan 2019 23:42

No elders have done nothing whatsoever and don't even care about the situation. If elders got involved from the start it probably wouldn't have gone this far. So sad to hear a father has not seen his child for almost 3 years now

30 Jan 2019 23:58

who am I?

....uncle Arnold.....uncle Arnold.....uncle Arnold....they are picking on me.....sob...sob....uncle Arnold.....sob....sob

31 Jan 2019 0:04

just be careful anyone putting comments on this website.....

Miss > Mrs > Ms L _ _ _ Matthews could take you to court for your comments here.

(remember, australia is not a democratic country, so beware!!!!)

she could take you to court for:
- writing a letter to someone
- posting an item to someone
- talking to someone
- not talking to someone
- not supporting her

she has money money from the pentsa's, so watch out........

she is loaded............

To: careful
31 Jan 2019 2:44

That comment above doesn't make sense. Are you telling people that they should be fearful of her?
I think anyone who would go to the lengths she took to get back at her husband/ex-husband is a hateful and vengeful act.
There are thousands of people that go through a divorce and never change their children's last names. Most people want to do what is best for the child - but in this case, it looks like this family and mother of the child wants people to support her or otherwise they will be threatened with a lawsuit? You can't control people and their reactions to your behavior. It's freedom of speech.

31 Jan 2019 3:29

yes, and understood.
your comment is valid, and I agree.

but, you do not know the amount of corruption that is in the australian courts, the australian lawyers, australian barristers, the australian judges, the australian police force, the australian immigration and customs...etc

its bad!!!!

people with a lot of money, end up winning the lawsuit, regardless if they were in fault.

people without a lot of money, end up losing the lawsuit, regardless if they were innocent.

corruption means:

dishonest or illegal behaviour involving a person in a position of power, for example, accepting money for doing something illegal or immoral.

she even ended up winning the judge to stop the husband attend the property grounds of a property she doesn't even own, nor has any ownership part of.

beat that level of corruption????

and more still, Marsden church accepted this judges' rule.

you cant go too much further beyond this.

31 Jan 2019 3:52

Time will go on, and this young little girl will grow up and be able to make her own choices. And as for this mom and her mother, they will be forever known for their acts of hate and revenge. This little girls mom and grandmother can go to all the courts and hire all the attorney's they like, but they cannot control the minds and views of people and how they are perceived. Your behavior and what you do defines who you are.

To:To ivestigations
31 Jan 2019 8:36

I would not put blame on elders; when the court makes decisions,elders can not do nothing... she can take even them to court.

31 Jan 2019 11:16

Fathers provoke not your children to anger.what has this child's father done to this child and her mother that the courts had to put a restraining order on him so that the child would not suffer such attacks?
We need to back off as we do not know the many details that the courts and doctors have heard. So we need to be very careful not to mix in other people's matters but be considerate and have the child's well being and health as most important that she might get healing from the trauma she might have experienced.

provoked by who?
31 Jan 2019 16:42

sounds like you from the US know what is going on here in AU?

oh, its scary...
31 Jan 2019 18:51

To: investigations

I would not put blame on elders; when the court makes decisions,elders can not do nothing... she can take even them to court.

elders cannot do anything?
what a lot of baloney!!!

...and then God will take the courts to court.

who do we need to fear?
what man or the courts can do?
what God can do?

31 Jan 2019 18:55

From what I understood from the previous post was that the husband of the child wanted out of the engagement but was told by the elder that he had to go through with the wedding. I don't know about you, but to force someone to stay committed to following through with a wedding after he felt that he should not get married is an act of abuse.

Now that his wife/ex-wife has separated/divorced him and taken the only thing that matters most to him (his child) are the elder(s), minister(s), or church members trying to help him.

You can mention the courts, the judge's decisions and the restraining order or you like, but the fact is that his ex-wife, ex-mother-in-law and ex-in-laws care absolutely nothing about him and are on a vengeful act to continue to hurt him. To change the surname of his child was a hurtful and unnecessary act. What purpose did it serve?

From an outside perspective, this bother is being abused, and I don't see anyone trying to help him.

Also, I have heard that the elder of Australia punished a dad of a daughter because she didn't stay committed to a marriage. What this tells me is that the church leaders are biased and they will only act to support their loved ones and care very little about anyone else.

I don't believe that the mother of this child is working in the best interest of the child. I think she is on a vengeful act to do nothing else but hurt this man.

So sad!
31 Jan 2019 19:22

I have heard of and know 'healthy' women who separate from their husbands because on infidelity, but they still want their children to be in their dad's lives and don't disrespect their ex-husbands in front of their children.

I find this situation sad because this young little girl will never grow up to know her dad. The mother is feeding her all these negative comments about how horrible her dad is and is brainwashing this little girl.

I cannot imagine how hard it would be to be this little girl. My heart goes out to her. To be taken away from your dad, dragged into a court battle, only be presented with hateful validation on who your dad is and now to have your name changed. Would I be confused?

Now, do you think this little girl will grow up trusting men?

31 Jan 2019 21:56

To the person who wrote baloney"
This couple was a responsibility or members of Altona church served by elders cucanik and Arnold bowmaun.
All their effort was in vain as they would not listen
to their counsel..elders are not policeman or judges.
If they would impose church discipline they would be called dictators or spiritual abusers, so then who's to be blamed? And to thee statement that thee elder forced the brother to marry her is absolute incorrect, for the elders were not involved at the time of this marriage. It was performed by an elder assistant in Melbourne.

31 Jan 2019 22:28

You are incorrect the father was forced to marry or go under discipline you can verify that with the fathers parents and siblings and yes the Marsden elder was involved. Your from the states so how do you know so much of there engagement

To: Provoked
31 Jan 2019 23:55

Who punished a dad in Sydney church because his daughter wasn’t committed to her marriage? Was it not an elder from Brisbane? You don’t need to be in the proximity of the couple to threaten or punish someone. (Sydney vs. Brisbane)

As for not listening to counsel - what do you expect this brother to do? He is being abused. This is abuse!

To change a child’s last name is provoking a man. It’s hurtful and unchristian like behavior.

1 Feb 2019 0:48

to: abuse

re....but was told by the elder that he had to go through with the wedding.

correction: was told by the assistant elder (but supported by the elder)

very true
1 Feb 2019 0:52

Also, I have heard that the elder of Australia punished a dad of a daughter because she didn't stay committed to a marriage. What this tells me is that the church leaders are biased and they will only act to support their loved ones and care very little about anyone else.

EXACTLY TRUE (these types of manoeuvres have been practised and performed MANY times by Tom-wreck and removed elder Pentsa)

1 Feb 2019 0:56

If they would impose church discipline they would be called dictators or spiritual abusers,.........

if discipline was imposed at the right time, with the correct level, she would not have had strength to commit further sin.

keeping the boundaries of the faith, and applying discipline with measure, to those who erred from the faith is biblical, not an act of dictatorship or abuse.

2 Feb 2019 22:18

How come the previous comment under "name change" was taken out? I agreed 100% with the comment written there. Don't be biased! Your first comment on this topic which has
Accusations of 2 sisters committing the sin unto death you allowed and printed without proof. how come you allow slander on those 2 sisters. And the other comments were truthful yet you took them off this site.
Well I know the answer, the truth hurts. And you love gossip and lies. Thanks, Mr. Moderator.

who is final judge
2 Feb 2019 22:30

if there is still a lawsuit on either spouse, their names should not be on the website.

this could be a reason why the comment may have needed to be removed.

someone has power and money to manipulate the lawyers and the court judges, forgetting what the final Judge is going to bring to judgement.

Gods fear is not present with these types of people, sad enough to say.

They do not practise godliness nor holiness.

They practise inch thick make up, comes to church with business dress code and sports shoes, and dresses the daughter with a mini skirt during the winter months.

what could be going through her head with these types of actions.

lets hope this website, still attempts to penetrate a potential step away from foolish acts, and people come to their senses....

2 Feb 2019 23:38

"Jilted", you are right, the comment you mentioned has been removed. This is because this website has a moderator, and the moderator's role is to maintain the content of the website within acceptable boundaries. This whole topic is questionable, to start with, but I decided to let it continue based on some ongoing and unresolved issues and people's evident desire to keep discussing it. The title of this website is "Spiritual and Mental Abuse in Apostolic Christian Church Nazarene in Australia". Personal feuds and quarrels are not welcome here. Those need to be discussed elsewhere. Thank you.

still unclear????
3 Feb 2019 1:27

what part of 1 Corinthians 6 is STILL unclear to anyone, having been commented maybe hundreds of times on this topic!!

where are we being led.....

Jilted again
3 Feb 2019 10:10

To the moderator,
Isn't this whole topic of a personal dispute between a husband and wife matter and court cases? The child-safe being at question here? Yet you allow accusations of sins unto death and lies against so many innocent individuals. Which part in that topic you didn't you like? Is it the part that other people change their names or is it the part where the father is alleged to have taken the little girl to see her little brother by another woman? That would make him an adulterer, wouldn't it? I'd like you to put the other comment back in.

To: Jilted again
3 Feb 2019 12:02

When adults change names it's their free will,but if someone does it to a little child who has no say and without father's consent,it's wrong.

And you from Chicago (Illinois) family of Dona don't know the whole situation,writing only what Dona and Leah tell you things that are not true.

To: Jilted again
3 Feb 2019 12:24

First off what does the child's last name have to do with her safety? Secondly, anyone who claims that changing a child's name isn't wrong and hurtful is most likely related to Leah and Donna.

And if you think that I'm talking 'balcony' ask five men that go to church and then ask five men that don't go to church how they would feel if their ex-spouse change their child's name.

I also asked a man that question because I'm trying to understand if I'm the only one that thinks that's this behavior is hurtful. This man said, 'of course it would hurt' and then said, 'I would never marry someone like that.' After I told him these women go to church, he asked me why I associate myself with these types of people.

I think this whole situation is beyond sad and will only get worse. I don't see how these women will ever turn around and make things right for the little girl and her dad.

please understand
3 Feb 2019 15:33

being humble, apoligising, and realising your error can help this situation.
conessing your fault can bring healing.
taking someone to court, does not bring healing.

Jilted again
3 Feb 2019 16:35

You are wrong, I am not the relative they have in Chicago. If you ask five women what would they do if their husband already has fathered another child with another woman, would they still keep the husband's surname? Was it not the case that the father started all these court cases to take the child away from the mother? But it backfired on him.
"What? Know ye not that he which is joined to a harlot is one body? For two, said he, shall be one flesh. 1 Corinthians 6 verse 16

3 Feb 2019 16:47

@jilted, you've been brainwashed by the Mates and now you are spreading complete utter and disgusting lies about the father having another child. May God have mercy on your soul.

To moderator
3 Feb 2019 21:07

Moderator, please delete this whole thread for the sake of the child. Although shes in the hands of her abusers, she dont need anymore added stress. Her mother and grandmother will never stop. Everyone in Marsden church keep their distant knowing how threatening and evil they are. Yes this is abuse in the church but its not helping the situation.

To moderator
3 Feb 2019 21:52

Why delete this thread when the child has no idea about this website. The child has no access to a mobile or any electronic device because the mother and grandmother are holding her captive so she has no contact with the father. This child is abused daily by them so please your not helping here. The courts of this country allows child abuse.

false information
3 Feb 2019 22:58

Jilted again

Was it not the case that the father started all these court cases to take the child away from the mother?

completely false.

the mother started the court case, not the father.

Is it the part that other people change their names or is it the part where the father is alleged to have taken the little girl to see her little brother by another woman?

completely false.

the father does not have a child with another women.

To: Jilted
4 Feb 2019 0:29

The lies that you uttered and the way you communicate is unintelligent and personal. Why would you lie about his man?

Secondly, There are movie stars and people that don't go to church that have been cheated on and have had their ex-spouses father other children with other women, and they don't change their children's last name.

Thirdly, has Leah been evaluated for the deep seeded hatred she keeps spewing towards the baby's father? And as for you, why is this personal?

Proverbs 21:9
It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.

To: Leah
4 Feb 2019 0:40

What's next? Do you want to change the child's DNA? You can never change the fact that this man is the father of your child.

And remember you will answer before God for your stupidity, lies and what your family is doing to this poor man and his family. Shame on you and shame on your mother.

stop & think alittle
4 Feb 2019 1:35

love brings unity if one fails.
(love towards the person not on the sin)

hatred breaks unity if one fails.

stop the hatred (towards the person), and work on love (towards the person not on the committed sin).

if any one fails, you dont have to continue in that, get up, stand up, apologise, reverse the hatred, reverse having revenge, reverse having grudges...etc

we shall ALL appear before the judgement seat of Christ.....

do we NOT understand this???

return and repent brings healing.

return, repent, apologise and confess DOES bring healing.

do we not all want to be accepted on the last day into Gods kingdom?

are we working at this?

are you, dear mother, working your salvation with fear and trembling??

if you are, you cannot take someone to court.

do you like someone taking you to court?
give an honest answer to this question.

Hog wash
4 Feb 2019 9:11

To the moderator, you wrote, this whole topic is questionable to start with, but I decided to let it continue based on some ongoing and unresolved issue...personnel feuds and quarrels are not welcome here, those need to be discussed elsewhere. this whole topic from the start are they not personal feuds between husband and wife?
Why are they allowed on this site? Have they not been discussed elsewhere? Both before elders and lately in the court of justice?
Are you not violating those efforts who know much more of the true facts between this personal feud.
It is time for you to remove this topic for the sake of this couple and their child.
"But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody. In other men's matters." 1Peter ch.4 verse 15. Thank you

To hog wash
4 Feb 2019 10:14

You obviously don't understand the title of this website. The father has been spiritually and mentally abused by his wife and mother in law. You have no idea so please don't write silly comments

To hog wash
4 Feb 2019 10:14

You obviously don't understand the title of this website. The father has been spiritually and mentally abused by his wife and mother in law. You have no idea so please don't write silly comments

4 Feb 2019 12:27

I hate to state the obvious, but the dad of the child isn't going to get anywhere in his attempts to get help from the church. You see he is not PP Sr. relative.

I heard, and anyone in Australia can correct me if I'm wrong that Sonya's dad (Laza K.) was put under discipline because his daughter would not go back to her husband. When he asked how long will be under discipline, PP Sr. said not until Sonya returns to her husband.

What makes Leah any different than Sonya? The only difference is Leah is PP Sr. niece, and Sonya was married to PP's nephew.

Now, what does this tell you? If you are related to an elder, you can do whatever you like, and you will always come out on top.

And Donna you a fortunate to be married to PP Sr. late wife's brother.

4 Feb 2019 12:38

>>And Donna you a fortunate to be married to PP Sr. late wife's brother.

There are many different definitions of what 'fortunate' means..

4 Feb 2019 13:34

corrupt means:

illegal, bad, or dishonest behaviour, especially by people in positions of power.

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

who ever has fellowship with removed elder pentsa, will be accountable with him in his sin.

- Topic closed -

A B U S E R S  :  H A L L  O F  S H A M E 
Paul Pentsa
Janko Tomek
Andrew Szabo
Vlada Papuga
Philip Ruzeu
Nick Pentsa
Michael Stanjo
STAY AWAY FROM THIS MAN! His mouth is full of Biblical verses but his heart is filled with hatred, jealousy, treachery and lust for power. This FALSE CHRISTIAN is the root of almost all evil in ACCN in Australia and he will even take you to court, if he can't get his way.
Janko is pretty much like Paul, dishonest and unloving, just less intelligent. Janko is now building his humongous "warehouse" in Tarneit, destined to remain void of both faith and members. This UNREPENTED SINNER is still dreaming about becoming an elder!
Hard-hearted and egoistic, this long-time "elder" has caused immense grief, division and misery amongst the Nazarenes in Australia. Some even call him a sadist... not that Andrew really cares about anyone's opinion, though. Currently residing in a nursing home in Perth.
Earned his nickname by constantly repeating "Ljubazni" (Dear Ones) while preaching. This recently appointed "elder assistant" is ambitious, but at the same time not clever enough to realize he will always be just Paul's and Janko's messenger boy.
Philip is Paul Pentsa's son-in-law and definitely his best student. Proud, stubborn, arrogant - a classic bigot. Due to his off-putting personality and some weird beliefs, he's not on very good terms with Janko Tomek and other Slovaks in Tarneit.
Here is your future Elder, whether you like the idea or not. Nicky is "a very nice guy". No gift for preaching or leadership skills, but being Paul Pentsa's son, he's actually got everything he needs. Sooner or later his Dad will find the way to install him as his successor.
Janko Tomek's loyal admirer and bodyguard - sleazy, hypocritical, dishonest and ignorant. His interpretation of the Scriptures can make you laugh as well as his awkward sermons in broken English.

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