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ACCN Forum | New major ACCN split coming? End of ACCN?

ACC concerned
Canada
13 Feb 2019 0:49

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Apparently there are talks among some of the North American Leadership that there are churches looking to separate themselves from churches who have allowed or are ok with allowing full membership to individuals who were not baptized by ACC Nazarene hands. So far mostly due to marriage. This movement is partially to appease the European Elders who have warned ACCN North America that they will cease to recognize those churches allowing or supporting this practice. Churches looking to separate include Kitchener Avon Road, San Diego Vista, West Akron... can only assume similar minded churches like Windsor, Harrow, Richmond Hill, Cleveland, Queens, Hollywood, Colorado Springs, Lawndale, Carson City, Coarsegold could decide to follow.

This will splinter families and friendships. Whom will their children marry?

changes to the faith
USA
13 Feb 2019 1:12

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Doug Savin accepted a member who was not baptized in the ACCN. This lady attended a church in the USA before moving to Canada.
The unsettling thing about this was the elder of the USA church ask members during a meeting if they were all free for her to attend Doug Savin's church as a free member.
It's concerning because WHEN were the elders going to tell or ask the members if they agreed with changes to the faith?

AC Faith
USA
13 Feb 2019 2:40

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The AC Faith Church split from the National AC Church (sister church) with the blessings of the European Nazarene Elders. This split was due to the National AC Church no longer recognizing sins unto death.

The AC Faith Church has greatly prospered in number mostly drawing from the National Church, non the less preserving the AC Faith as we know it.

Marriages and baptisms continue wherever the true Faith exist!

Untrue
USA
13 Feb 2019 2:56

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Not true! Only Serbia does not recognize the National Sister church body. Everywhere else both sides are recognized, ESPECIALLY in Ukraine.

Money Unites!
USA
13 Feb 2019 4:14

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Whichever church is collecting funds from the sister church whether it be Ukraine, Serbia, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Germany, Austria, etc., means they are united with the sister church because money makes them one.

Perplexed
Australia
13 Feb 2019 8:27

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Not baptised in the nazarene church = garbage destined to hell.


Come on, you Voivodina peasants!

ACC concerned
Canada
13 Feb 2019 9:10

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I think the last comment was said sarcastically. Please be respectful and sincere and avoid the use of sarcasm. There is potentially much at stake here and could spell the end of the denomination as we now know it. I agree that there are some serious problems among the leadership including many that are more politically motivated then spiritually motivated. Some are absolutely unsuited for their positions. But the scope and size of a split like this would really hurt our social structure.

Perplexed
Australia
13 Feb 2019 9:15

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No it wasn't sarcasm. I really mean it.

Voivodina peasants = Voivodjanska seljadija

God's only chosen people on Earth.

To: Perplexed
USA
13 Feb 2019 9:49

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You might be baffled entirely or very puzzled. But I'm confused about your comment, 'Not baptised in the nazarene church = garbage destined to hell.' Who said that?

The issue here is freedom of choice. You cannot ask your members to make a promise and then years later tell them that the promise they made is null and void. Transparency is key.

As for this lady, no one said she is going to hell. In addition to that, she is probably better than a lot of the ACCN Christians. The issue here is you cannot ask someone to break a promise they made without giving them a choice.

As for you, if you got baptized in the ACCN and now you changed your perspective, then that is on you. But don't judge other people and their faith and the promises they made. Let's be adults!

Perplexed
Australia
13 Feb 2019 10:02

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So, what's new? Splitting churches again? How boring.

To: Perplexed
Australia
13 Feb 2019 11:10

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Someone asked Jesus; Luke 13:23
"Lord are there few who are saved?" And he said to them,strive to enter through the narrow gate, Matth.7:13-14 for wide is the gate and broad is the way which leads to destruction,and there are many who go in by it

Because narrow is the gate and difficultis the way which leads to life,and there are few who find it.


Not surprised
USA
13 Feb 2019 15:41

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Is this the same Doug Savin who years ago disciplined a member in his church for marrying a brother from the western conference?
And then, later on, he himself walked his own daughter down the aisle to marry a divorcee who has never been baptized to my knowledge in any church,
Yet his daughter was previously a member of Toronto church, how things change or is it just Doug'
savin change?
Does he expect the rest of us to change to his unstable doctrinal ways? God forbid!

nothing new
Australia
13 Feb 2019 19:51

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is this that doug savin that accepted his mother (who committed a sin unto death) with george bodjanac?

nothing new.

he has changed the sin unto death teaching once again.



Faith in God
Australia
13 Feb 2019 21:19

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The ACCN religion was formed by Samuel Frohlich the "Reformist- Priest"in Switzerland some 200 years ago...

So ,that the ACCN religion is a "branch" of the mainstream "Reformist" religion ONLY !!!! ,- Nothing else !!!!

Basically it is a Christian "Religious SECT" or organization like others...Nothing else . Unfortunately ...

They do not own the haven as they think !....

Jesus didn't come to establish and organize an ACCN with 20-30 thousand people worldwide , when the population is more than 7 billion today !!! You underestimate GOD !!!!!!
God had bigger plan than that ! "God so loves the world" ....!

Jesus the son of God , came to redeem the World , sacrificed His life for ALL .

The ACCN has nothing to do , with "Apostolic -Followers"in Jesus's time or Nazarenes from Nazareth etc. The title was given to them later and is a little bit false .
Obviously they have their own particularity ...

The religious ethics , agendas , doctrines were formed 200 years ago, chauvinistically protect the like-minded people... It was a mechanism to protect their own circle. They created their own rules and regulations ...It is understandable , but 200 years after "out of date", and many things are questionable .

The " faith in God" is not the same with the "religious customs, rules and regulations" or "ethics "...

That,s why in Luke 23:23 ,Jesus did not answered straight to the question . But then , He said what He found "more relevant" ,that should be followed ....Please read Luke 23 ;23 again and think!

/ Answer to " To:perplexed "/
Please read it more carefully and you will find it, why Jesus did not answered as they expected it ? Jesus knew what was behind their thoughts ...

Otherwise you have found the best chapter that describes the situation today. "Good on you mate... !"


According to the bible it is not the ACCN elder's duty to count who will enter or how many will enter , into the HAVEN !!!! Take care !

not by man
Australia
13 Feb 2019 21:59

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the nazarene faith was not formed by a man.

the nazarene faith was not formed by a women.

the nazarene faith was not formed by a man in switzerland

the nazarene faith was not formed by a women in any other country.



To: Faith in God
Australia
13 Feb 2019 22:29

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"Jesus did not answered straight to the question"
You got verses mixed up; It's writen in Luke 13;23, not 23;23.

And also Matthew 7;13-14.



Luke 13; 23
Australia
13 Feb 2019 23:43

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Yes it was just a misprint of the number , but the content was Luk 13;23 ... Thanks

Uniting Sisters
USA
14 Feb 2019 1:31

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Recently the Christian Apostolic Elders from Illinois met with the DS Church here on Route 94 in Akron. How about uniting AC "sisters" to make a viable Church. Nazarene, DS, Faith, Christian Apostolic these could all be one? Any thoughts...

Oh come on
USA
14 Feb 2019 1:37

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Please...you know what he meant. The Nazarene faith was not formed by man. But the CHURCH was.

Argentina we are one
Argentina
14 Feb 2019 4:33

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HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM

making fun
USA
14 Feb 2019 5:24

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It easy to sit back and make fun of peoples struggles from the comfort of your home.

Argentina we are one
Argentina
14 Feb 2019 6:35

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to: making fun. I do think we have a problem and I am not making fun out of that. It is very sad indeed.

Sorry
USA
14 Feb 2019 7:25

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Reading this thread puts a melancholy feeling in my heart. Is a church split really what many would like to do? I’ve personally been through one church split (not by choice – others wished to depart) and I’ve lived around split churches and families my entire life. All it has brought is sorrow upon sorrow, and a terrible witness for Christ in the community. The community/world understands nothing of ‘Apostolic Christian nuance.’ All they see are people who preach love, yet cannot get along. Where I live, there are four branches of the Frohlich churches, all nearly a stone’s throw from one another, and a fifth in a distant city. Families disrupted and divided, children filled with anxiety as friends or relatives are taken from them, friendships destroyed and cast away, brethren at odds with backbiting and gossip instead of loving one another, the Christian peace of the pure brutalized, a community that needs Christ but sees a bunch of so-called Christians incapable of getting along (who they refer to as hypocrites), young people escaping the church in droves wanting no part of so-called Christendom… and the Lord Jesus Christ and His mission and work, left out in the cold. The damage is frightful! Gentlemen – is this really what you want? And who is going to answer for it? Who wants to be like the one who perpetrated the first split in Heaven, satan himself? I’m not trying to say one sin is preferable over another, but I think I’d rather face the Lord one day as an adulterer… than to face Him as one who has split the church and divided His people.

ACC concerned

14 Feb 2019 10:05

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I started this thread to bring awareness to what I know for sure is being discussed behind the scenes by some leadership and some of their supporting cast. This is not just another simple small church split but a fracturing of our denomination in North America as we know it. I made a mistake in calling the Clovis church Coarsegold which is what it used to be called. We seem to have a problem that nobody wants to talk about - Biblical illiteracy, among members and leaders alike. Not a problem unique to our denomination, it has been written about that this is a problem affecting Christianity worldwide. We don't have the time or the inclination to read the Bible much less become disciples of The Word. We call on our big verse, big sermon, and local church doctrine for understanding and guidance. This is the stale bread that we eat and rely on to get us through our daily questions and dilemmas - even the big questions. Turns us into beings that are more church minded then Kingdom minded. Where the church doctrine and culture gives us the multiple shades of grey. Am i one of those people who just doesn't get it anymore? That stale bread is hardly a nourishment if I want my identity to be the identity of Jesus Christ and almost nothing else. If I lost my personal identity on the day that I put on that of Christ. All of God's people who are reading through this thread could bring forth a lot of scriptural references but it's a lot less precious when it's just handed to us like on a plate. If I'm wrong about this I stand corrected - again. I eagerly await your comments, questions and mostly your correction if I don't get it.


To: Faith in God
Australia
14 Feb 2019 10:47

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How would you interpret Luke 13;verse 24? Where it says,
Strive to enter through the narrow gate,for many I say to you,will seek to enter and will not be able.

This verse align with verses from Matthew 7;13-14.which u didn't mention

What is the narrow gate,and what is the wide gate?

when

14 Feb 2019 10:48

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re.
Recently the Christian Apostolic Elders from Illinois met with the DS Church here on Route 94 in Akron. How about uniting AC "sisters" to make a viable Church. Nazarene, DS, Faith, Christian Apostolic these could all be one? Any thoughts...

when was the meeting held?

with the elders?

at route 94 church?

find faith on earth
Australia
14 Feb 2019 14:27

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the nazarene church was not formed by man.

i am not talking about what most nazarenes have changed from the original nazarene practices, i am talking about the origin.

the changes have be made by many churches, elders and individuals.

this does not change the original church teaching nor the faith.

peoples faith has changed. this is the problem.



Faith is a Holy Gift
Australia
16 Feb 2019 15:16

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My understanding is that Almighty God is the giver of faith.
I have encountered many ACCC Christians who say that they CHOSE to have faith in God. But God gives and he even takes away if HE so chooses- remember that HE is God.

Ephesians: Chapter 2 verses 8-9- For it is by GRACE you have been saved through faith-and THIS IS NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT OF GOD -not by works, so that no one can boast.

The meaning of "Nazarene" is someone who was born or lives in Nazareth. Jesus was a Nazarene on earth because He is from the town of Nazareth. All faith comes from the purity of the Almighty in heaven not Nazareth. So this label of "Nazarene" may distract people from God Himself and can become "works".....be careful.
True faith in God is Clearly a holy gift from God and It is how this faith is personally and collectively utilized that God watches and determines if we grow or not.
Some People in these churches are too proud and busy fighting for decades and forget that God is alive and is watching.


Google this name
Australia
16 Feb 2019 22:14

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Please , print this name into your "google" searcher and you will be surprised, what is the story of origin to your ACCN /NAZARENE/ religion.

Samuel Heinrich Froehlich




origin please
Australia
17 Feb 2019 0:42

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the origin of the nazarene church is not in or through ACCN or ACCA.

nor

Samuel H. Froelich

belief
Argentina
17 Feb 2019 2:19

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If the origin of the ACCN or any ACC is Samuel H. Froelich, we should seriously reconsider our faith

nazarene
Australia
17 Feb 2019 10:19

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Samuel H Froelich was Swiss protestant separated him self from catholicisam, preaching the gospel through Germany,Austria and Hungary.

Then one of the Hungarian decidet to be called Nazarene and that's how is spread to former Yugoslavia.

The rest was called Evangelical baptist. It's written in a book calld MARCHING TO ZION from sister church.

No Pharisees please
Australia
17 Feb 2019 11:42

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Froelich was a "pioneer", to renew the faith in God , that broken away in nearly two sanctuaries .
He wanted to renew the beliefs in GOD ,in the religion that become unbearable and cynical to the mankind . Froehlic wanted to steer the false religion back to the " Holy-Scripture -Only "!!!!/ "Sola- cripture" / .
Frohlich had been persecuted for it and suffered a lot with his family.

Frohlich did what he could , but why is this small religion "encored down ", where it is started 200 years ago ??? !!! ...
It is time to think about that ...

The FAITH is the " Belief in God Only" !!!!!Cannot be other !!!!!!!!

The "other faiths" are in religion or religious authorities/in Elders or Senior- members alike false !!!
Also the religious -customs and idols are the same./They are worthless ,rotten and smelly...!

God does not want "Idol- Worshippers" !!!!!!He hates them!.....

God does not recognize these sort of faiths . More then that ,HE is angry to it !!!!!!
These faiths are fruitless , contact-less with GOD , useless with GOD ...
-Entirely useless in God's eyes !...

God hates these people ! They are PHARISEES and "Enemies of God" .



search again
Australia
18 Feb 2019 18:37

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The Protestant historian Philip Schaff noted:

A portion of the Jewish Christians, however, ................. under the name of Nazarenes; a name perhaps originally given in contempt by the Jews to all Christians as followers of Jesus of Nazareth......

So there were Christians with Jewish practices that were sometimes called Nazarenes that historians teach claimed to have originated from the original Jerusalem church...............

....Thus, originally the term Nazarenes appears to be applied to all Christians, and not some small part of it, as it is being applied to those that agree with the Apostle Paul....

breindenbach church
Australia
19 Feb 2019 15:43

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re. ACC concerned

re.
Apparently there are talks among some of the North American Leadership that there are churches looking to separate themselves from churches who have allowed or are ok with allowing full membership to individuals who were not baptized by ACC Nazarene hands. So far mostly due to marriage.
This movement is partially to appease the European Elders who have warned ACCN North America that they will cease to recognize those churches allowing or supporting this practice.

that is good to act on this sin unto death issue...but,

there have already been examples for nazarene members marrying outside nazarene churches and still remaining as free members.

Breindenbach Church in Germany has a member that has married a girl outside any nazarene church, and the church accepted her as a free member in Breindench Church.

To: breindenbach chu
USA
19 Feb 2019 17:26

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Thank you to the person who posted, "Breindenbach Church in Germany has a member that has married a girl outside any nazarene church, and the church accepted her as a free member in Breindench Church."

Two things bother me about this. 1. when were the leaders of this faith going to tell the members of their changes and 2. I can't help but wonder what is wrong with the ACCN girls for this brother to look outside of the faith?

This brother's actions raise a question for the Germany elders - can girls do the same at the Breidenbach church, because we all know there are a lot more single girls than guys?

... It's evident that the doors for the Gentiles are closing.

names please
Australia
19 Feb 2019 22:20

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does anyone know the details, as in names of the guy and girl from breidenbach church in question here?


unstable leaders
USA
20 Feb 2019 5:49

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What rules are we following here? You ask someone to be committed to a standard and then when you feel that it should or could change you change it? My heart goes out to the youth for living their lives for these promises that the church breaks when the elders say it okay: nothing but a bunch of hypocrites and unstable leaders.

Acceptance
USA
20 Feb 2019 23:57

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If theyre already accepting members like that in Europe then why woild the split in America happen to appease European elders as stated? That doesnt make any sense. Sounds to me as if European elders are worse than American ones.

ACCN worldwide

21 Feb 2019 2:57

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It is unfortunate and depressing when you think of the leadership in the ACCN worldwide. Do you think that people go to church to serve leaders like D. Savin, etc.,? - These leaders will be accountable for destroying peoples lives. And they will never be my Father on earth. They can form their cult and have a following, but I'm not joining in on their sect.

To: Germany Elders

21 Feb 2019 3:41

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I am disgusted in hearing your actions with the brother marrying outside the faith and being accepted as a free member with his wife. You held girls in your church to a standard for years based on Biblical teachings. (Some of these wanted to get married, and some have even left church). So the brothers in your church essentially say that these girls are 'no good.' You are full of hypocrisy, and your unfairness towards these members are going to be on your back. Would you allow girls in your church to do the same?

nebojsa vilus
Australia
21 Feb 2019 11:01

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i am one of the rejected from the churches in melbourne janko tomek and miodrsag cucanic groups.i was reading some of your comments and foun it interesting how we who considers ourselves as christians have diferent views and faiths.Satan is causin hundreds of years divisions among believers.Jesus and paul prophesied that such things will happen unfortunately.currently i visit the faith baptist church group is nnot big there are different believes AS WELL BUT WE STILL TRY LIVE IN PEACE AMONG US.i FOUND PEACE AND HAPPINES THERE BEING ACCEPTED AND NOT REJECTED AS I EXPERIENCED MANY TIMES BEFORE.I AM NOT PERFECT BUT I BELIVE THAT NOT ONLY ONE GROUP WILL BE SAVED.I AM NOT ACEPTING SIN AS A WAY OF LIFE SO I HAD MANY TIMEDS PROBLEMS WHEREEVER I WENT.IF SOMEONE WANT TO CONTACT ME AND SHARE FAITH,HISTORY OF THE CHURCH AND OTHER TOPICS PLEASE BE FREE. i AM NEBOJSA VILUS G14/100 MOUNT ST HEIDELBERG 3084 VIC AUSTRALIA.MY MOBILE IS 0470344135 AND MY E-MAIL IS nvilus@outlook.com I AM SPECILY INTERESTED TO BE CONTACTED WITH SINGLE SISTERS FOR FRIENDSHIP AND GOD W MARIAGE.I AM 44 YO,OVERVEIGHT,HAVE SOME HEALTH PROBLEMS,VERY POOR.NV

nebojsa vilus m
Australia
21 Feb 2019 12:11

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can someone give me more informations about believers of nazarene background in germany specially the breindebach church.thanks
if someone is interested to learn more about faith,history of the church please have a look on chick publications website.they are strongly against catholicism and other great topics.i warn you that they have some teachings that i do not agree.another website is charity christian fellowship.they are as old anabaptists so many simillar teachings as nazarene churches.if there are brothers that look for girls for mariage these anabaptists have many beautifull girls but they have many small groups all around usa.recently one group split after bad division among themselves.i asked about girl but they did not help me so i am still runing on my own.i hope this can help someone.god bless you.nv

To: nebojsa vilus
USA
21 Feb 2019 12:26

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I don't know if this is a joke or if someone may have set you up... but this is not a dating website. I feel bad because you are pouring your heart out trying to reach girls. (I think)
There is a church in Melbourne Australia. I would suggest starting there.

please answer
Australia
21 Feb 2019 14:47

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nebojsa, do you hold what you were baptised for?
and
do you hold what you were baptised into?

do you go to other denominations outside of the nazarene church?

USA Member
USA
22 Feb 2019 9:02

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I have been an ACCN member for many years, and have seen a wide variety of practices, traditions, and even beliefs among the ACCN elders and churches. Teachings such as fraternization, ACCN-only marriage, and baptism outside of the ACCN are not doctrinal or found in the Bible (unless one twists scriptures)but are rather practices or traditions. There may be value in such things, but it is not the same as doctrine, which does not change. And there can come a time when such practices or traditions change for the good of the church. If someone is truly converted, lives a holy life, and agrees with the doctrines of the church, they should be eligible for membership and marriage in the ACCN. Preserving restrictive practices under the guise of 'defending the faith' will lead to a declining and someday dead denomination, a process that has already started and is sadly gaining momentum. And that is a tragedy.

Correct
Australia
22 Feb 2019 9:29

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It is correct .

Correct from bible !
Australia
22 Feb 2019 9:53

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"Everyone" who believes that Jesus is the Messiah , has been born of Christ !!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Everyone" who loves the Father also loves His Children ...."

1st John 5;1



Listen to the voice from haven please !

A voice spoke to him a second time ,
"Don't say ! " -the things which GOD has made clean - are IMPURE !!!!!!!

Acts 10 ; 15

To: USA Member
Australia
22 Feb 2019 10:12

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I agree with you to some point of view that ACCN members are declining, but can you explain the difference from doctrines and practices (traditions)
Many Thanks


cannot change
Australia
22 Feb 2019 10:54

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Deuteronomy 7:3 cannot change

Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons,

This is a commandment from God to the children of Israel, of children of God, or followers of and part of Gods Church.

Do not try and change Gods principles of Holy Living.

talk to us
Australia
22 Feb 2019 10:56

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mister nebojsa, where are you?

please explain the issue you have dear one.

come to the table and talk to us.

there are people out here trying to help.

if you are seeking help, then be ready to accept counsel and suggestions.

come and tell us the reasons

very simple
Australia
22 Feb 2019 11:05

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A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.

can everyone see the last part........

......but he must belong to the Lord.

this cannot change.

1 Cor.7:39

Do not try and change Gods principles of Holy Living.

fraternization
Australia
22 Feb 2019 11:13

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“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you”
(2 Corinthians 6:14-17).

restoration needed
Australia
22 Feb 2019 13:45

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re.
I AM SPECILY INTERESTED TO BE CONTACTED WITH SINGLE SISTERS FOR FRIENDSHIP AND GOD W MARIAGE.I AM 44 YO,OVERVEIGHT,HAVE SOME HEALTH PROBLEMS,VERY POOR.NV

try and lose weight.
try and get your life in order alittle.
try and watch your food intake.
try and excercise.
try and get your spiritual health in order alittle.

nobody is going to jump to you, or for you in marriage with this attitude, dear one.

think of Gods way, Gods principles, Gods method, Gods care, Gods love, Gods behaviour, Gods commandments, Gods instructions.

you have to get rid of your way, your principle, your method, your behaviour, your commandments, and your demands, and instructions.

this is what denying yourself is all about.

God has a desire for you, your life, your future, BUT, you have Gods criteria to meet, not your criteria for others to meet.

think and pray about your spiritual health and restoration back into the Church.

Proverbs 24:17
Don’t gloat when your enemy falls, and don’t let your heart rejoice when he stumbles.

game
Australia
22 Feb 2019 14:40

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This website is like a game play "hide and seek":

Moderator
Australia
22 Feb 2019 14:47

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What do you suggest?

game
Australia
22 Feb 2019 14:59

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What have we ccomplished by now?
More hatred toword some people...there is no change everyone stays the same.
OK Moderator think of something different; this is boredom.

learn
Australia
22 Feb 2019 15:08

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people can come and learn here, if they choose to.
if not, they wont.
there is an option for people to learn from other peoples opinions here.
and
not be led astray into elders decision of the Church without its members.
this is abuse that we are trying to highlight, that people learn NOT to be enslaved in.

Moderator
Australia
22 Feb 2019 15:11

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Hi "game",

You need to think more positively.
There are individuals out there, depressed, aggravated, estranged, lonely.
They come here and see they are not the only ones.
It helps.
They can share their thoughts and feelings with other members and ex-members of ACCN.
It's a relief.
What if this website prevented somebody's, let's just say, suicide?
You never know.
And the abusers inside the ACCN are afraid of this website, trust me.

USA Member
USA
23 Feb 2019 9:29

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What is the difference between doctrine and practice/tradition? I wonder if I am being set up here. Because, in my thinking it usually clear although in reality it might be less clear.

Biblical doctrine is a non negotiable eternal truth given by God in the Bible. Tradition/Practice is man made and temporary and should be consistent with and supportive of doctrine. So, marrying a Christian is clearly a doctrine. Marrying within the ACCN is a practice. Likewise, believers baptism is a doctrine, but requiring any prospective ACCN member to be baptized in the ACCN as a condition of membership is a practice. Fraternization is not a doctrine as it is not found in the Bible. It is a practice.

All of the above practices may be good, useful, and wise practices, and if so should be continued. However, there may come a time when the tradition is no longer helpful and may need to change. Or when different practices are ok as long as they are biblically sound.

Our people are intelligent and increasingly Biblically literate, so hanging on to traditions and practices that no longer make sense is harmful. Change for the better is a powerful tool to build unity and hope and is not to be feared.

Costitution 1876
Australia
23 Feb 2019 12:13

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The "Froehlich-ist/Nazarene/- Constitution" has been made and declared around 1876 ...

Relatively long time ago , when the horse -driven "wooden- plough"
was normally used to cultivate the fields ....

But these days they use "40-60 disc-plough" , with special bearings and drown with a "computer-guided -tractor" that is connected to the satellite system .

You cannot sharpen up the wooden polugh to make more profitable yields!...
Also I don't think you want change over your car for a horse-driven- cart. There is no place for that on the streets and roads .

In the same token God wants more progress !

God is up-to-date with His plans ... God isn't an old God !!!

God wants "gather" more people to be saved /even from the roads or footpaths/ for the eternal life. God opens up the haven fully ,before HE closes it.

God wants a big " Wedding -fest"...
But God will select , Who has "white-wedding-dress" ,or who has not....
Certainly God doesn't give this option to the "Pharisees".



To: Constitution
Australia
23 Feb 2019 13:38

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All may change but Jesus never...GLORY TO HIS MANE!!



Moderator
Australia
23 Feb 2019 13:51

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Name?

T0: Moderato
Australia
23 Feb 2019 14:52

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Thank you; it's misprint.

return for who
Australia
23 Feb 2019 22:29

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Jesus will return for His followers and His Church.

Jesus will not return for committee based, or constitutionally based members or churches.

the nazarene faith and belief has NOTHING to do with committees or constitutions.

every Christian follower and Church needs the Bible, not committees or constitutions or government by-laws.

Froehlichists
Australia
24 Feb 2019 14:52

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Please don't be carried away by your " Nazarenity " and Nazarene church-ianiti !
You are still in the circle "by two legs" of the "Reformed - Calvinist" main-religion , in the denomination of the SECT or CULT of Samuel Heinrich Froehlich!!!

As many time you lift up the "ZION's HARP"
sing-book , you are using his product of work. He created this book , selecting the songs from the Reformed- Calvinist religion's song-books ...
You are singing Reformist songs actually. How is that ?

Remember to Froehlic ,every time you lift up that "Black-Book "! O.K.?

The Nazarene or ACCN church is governed by Elders -"COMMITTEE"and committees ...So you are belonging to a COMMITTEE who have their own rules and regulations without you consent. Either you want it or not...! How is it sounds ?...

Also ,every-one have bible I can assure you !!!!!!!!


rectify
Australia
24 Feb 2019 23:22

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the nazarenes use the zions harfe not zions harp.

To rectify
Australia
25 Feb 2019 0:10

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Yes, it is Zions Harfe ... Sorry for the spelling mistake .

It's about time
USA
25 Feb 2019 4:21

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It's about time that this cult is dismembered and shut down. Practices and traditions are not part of actual Christianity.
The Bible does not give nazarenes the exclusivity... Yet many many many members believe just that by way of not accepting any other evangelical Christians as saved souls.

Until this basic fundamental truth is not dealt with, this sect is only going to shrink and eventually disappear completely (which may be a sign of God's disapproval too)

A nice clean suit and a big headcovering (babushka or whatever you European dreamers call it) does not make you a good Christian. Acting the part is not the visible evidence of spiritual fruit. It's just acting...to be a "good member"... When was the last time your actions in the real world resulted in sharing the gospel and bringing souls to Christ?

yup

4 Mar 2019 8:19

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yeah its sad to hear this, if the accn would actually want to change tradition and practices we wouldn't be having this conversation, its because of the leaderships refusal to be modern and non abusive and not be stuck in 19th century europe thaty theres so many issues. Also the european elders think that they can bully leaders here into doing what they want, I'm done with this church, sad to say it but ill no longer be interested in stuff that happens there, I really see all this as God's displeasure with this faith and their unwillingness to change. Its like a slow motion train wreck to say the least!

attention
Australia
4 Mar 2019 16:53

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A whole new generation of christians has come up believing that it is possible to "ACCSEPT" christ without forsaking the world.

Do not love the world or the things in the world.
If anyone loves the world,the love of the father is not in him.
For all that is in the world...the lust of the flesh,the lust of the eyes,and the pride of life...is not of the father but of the world.

1 John 2;15-16


"The world"
Australia
4 Mar 2019 18:27

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Notice how the bible gives a big example of what is meant by worldliness: ...the lust of the flesh,the lust of the eyes,and the pride of life...is not of the father but of the world.

It is a problem that is as old as the devil and I think some people make their own interpretations of what "worldliness" is.



keep the faith
Australia
4 Mar 2019 21:38

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change from any fundamental bible teaching leads to eternal lake of fire.

there is no other way to put it.

be aware, dear one, whoever you are and wherever you are.

do not change the fundamental principles of purity, holiness, godliness, holy living, sins unto death principles.

we all need to contend for the faith ONCE delivered unto the saints.

To: keep the faith
Australia
5 Mar 2019 9:09

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I've always believed that ALL sins lead to death and the ultimate sin being the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Can someone name what these other "sins unto death" are? Because by definition it implies that there are some sins that are lesser. In my mind no sin is acceptable.
These special "unto death" sins, exactly what are they?

Sins unto death
Australia
5 Mar 2019 9:17

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These special "unto death" sins, exactly what are they? Reveletion 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Depends
Australia
5 Mar 2019 10:23

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Depends, if you have some connection with the leaders and elders then there is no sin at all. You can lie, steal, hate your brethren, coveat and you can still remain in the front bench and conduct songs. If you have no link with the leadership, even the smallest mistake is a huge sin according to them.

To:Depends
Australia
5 Mar 2019 11:23

450 views
This is true I agree with U...but it's only for a while on this eart.
God will judge righteously.In him there is no changes and this is our comfort.

Misprint
Australia
5 Mar 2019 11:37

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"On this earth"

one example
Australia
6 Mar 2019 13:37

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we need to be well aware that no sin will enter into heaven.
but,
if we look into the bible on which sins did Gods people get "stoned to death" for?
was it for any sin, or for some particular sins?
the jewish people as Gods people were stoned to death for blasphemy, but not only for blasphemy.
this could be some comparison in a new testament church in a spiritual doctrine teaching.


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Paul Pentsa
Brisbane
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Melbourne
Andrew Szabo
Perth
Vlada Papuga
Melbourne
Philip Ruzeu
Melbourne
Nick Pentsa
Brisbane
Michael Stanjo
Melbourne
STAY AWAY FROM THIS MAN! His mouth is full of Biblical verses but his heart is filled with hatred, jealousy, treachery and lust for power. This FALSE CHRISTIAN is the root of almost all evil in ACCN in Australia and he will even take you to court, if he can't get his way.
Janko is pretty much like Paul, dishonest and unloving, just less intelligent. Janko is now building his humongous "warehouse" in Tarneit, destined to remain void of both faith and members. This UNREPENTED SINNER is still dreaming about becoming an elder!
Hard-hearted and egoistic, this long-time "elder" has caused immense grief, division and misery amongst the Nazarenes in Australia. Some even call him a sadist... not that Andrew really cares about anyone's opinion, though. Currently residing in a nursing home in Perth.
Earned his nickname by constantly repeating "Ljubazni" (Dear Ones) while preaching. This recently appointed "elder assistant" is ambitious, but at the same time not clever enough to realize he will always be just Paul's and Janko's messenger boy.
Philip is Paul Pentsa's son-in-law and definitely his best student. Proud, stubborn, arrogant - a classic bigot. Due to his off-putting personality and some weird beliefs, he's not on very good terms with Janko Tomek and other Slovaks in Tarneit.
Here is your future Elder, whether you like the idea or not. Nicky is "a very nice guy". No gift for preaching or leadership skills, but being Paul Pentsa's son, he's actually got everything he needs. Sooner or later his Dad will find the way to install him as his successor.
Janko Tomek's loyal admirer and bodyguard - sleazy, hypocritical, dishonest and ignorant. His interpretation of the Scriptures can make you laugh as well as his awkward sermons in broken English.


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