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Elder handbook?
Elder handbook?
LoveGod
USA
USA
15 Feb 2020 12:06
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Just curious, ive always wondered if theres an elders handbook for either the ACCN or ACCA churches and if so how coud i read them? can someone post those?
Please no hate, lets keep this a kind discussion. Im just genuinely curious.
Thank you!
Please no hate, lets keep this a kind discussion. Im just genuinely curious.
Thank you!
Bible = Handbook
Australia
Australia
15 Feb 2020 14:23
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nothing else should take it place
confidential
Australia
Australia
16 Feb 2020 1:37
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good question, however, its usually a confidential item only within the elders.
you may want to contact an elder direct for it.
you may want to contact an elder direct for it.
Handbook TRASH
Serbia
Serbia
28 Mar 2020 8:08
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Elders hand book, a piece of garbage and deceit it needs be be thrown in the trash immediately, elders handbook is what destroys churches.
Handbook TRASH
Serbia
Serbia
28 Mar 2020 8:54
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Ezekiel 9 King James Version (KJV)
9 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.
2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.
3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
Where in the bible do read of a prophet or apostal of Christ having a ridiculous elders handbook,,, nowhere!
We need to hold ACCN elders accountable for having a handbook in possession and following the garbage elders handbook, put them all down and elect new God fearing brother elders who will follow scripture and not a handbook.
9 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.
2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.
3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
Where in the bible do read of a prophet or apostal of Christ having a ridiculous elders handbook,,, nowhere!
We need to hold ACCN elders accountable for having a handbook in possession and following the garbage elders handbook, put them all down and elect new God fearing brother elders who will follow scripture and not a handbook.
To handbook trash
Canada
Canada
28 Mar 2020 11:12
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... and other ignoramuses. The handbook does not replace God's Holy Unchanging Word. Read it before you judge. It's original purpose - and only purpose is to address order and it's uniform application across the churches in NA. Ask your elders to provide you with a copy if he doesn't ask another elder - it's public knowledge nothing secretive about it. stop you're ignorant judging - you're not that different than those ignorant Muslim imams sitting in their dusty backwards villages in the Middle East breathing a revolution against the 'infedils'. Good thing you said that you're in charge of a grand total of nothing you scare me.
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Australia
Australia
28 Mar 2020 11:36
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No need to have elders-handbook.Decades ago in Europe accn churches didn't use handbook;and they were functioning OK.
Follow the BIBLE!
Follow the BIBLE!
To:To Handbook TRASH
Serbia
Serbia
28 Mar 2020 16:25
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A copy of elders handbook was requested, it appears that you have read the booklet before and you even have a copy, please provide the elders handbook on this forum because "LoveGod" requested a copy A while ago, still no copy yet, any way you sound like a Jehovah's Witnesses they have copies of their watchtower magazines editions with all their beautiful pictures of their version of a wounderful earth, people, Jesus etc, are all those books necessary? No not at all total garage, but for some people like your self it helps you to open your mind because it's easier to follow a short booklet then to read the bible.
To:To Handbook TRASH
Serbia
Serbia
28 Mar 2020 16:38
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While we're waiting for a copy of elders handbook to be posted on this forum can someone please post a biblical colouring book to: to handbooktrash.
To:To Handbook TRASH
Serbia
Serbia
28 Mar 2020 16:43
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^
Children's colouring book edition.
Children's colouring book edition.
To:To Handbook TRASH
Serbia
Serbia
28 Mar 2020 17:08
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BOO,,,, did I scare you?
To:To Handbook Trash
Serbia
Serbia
28 Mar 2020 21:37
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RE: Good thing you said that you're in charge of a grand total of nothing you scare me.
Who's the boss then,,,, you? Church, Ministers, Elders or the Committee?
Let me tell you something Canada,,, Elders and ACCN committee are bosses of nothing!!!
Who's the boss then,,,, you? Church, Ministers, Elders or the Committee?
Let me tell you something Canada,,, Elders and ACCN committee are bosses of nothing!!!
Reference Material
USA
USA
31 Mar 2020 1:15
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Please note we use the Bible in all our decisions and yet when the path forward is not clear we reference past decisions made by our dearly departed Elders brothers.
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 1 Cor. 10
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope. Rom 15:4
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 1 Cor. 10
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope. Rom 15:4
To:ReferenceMaterial
Serbia
Serbia
31 Mar 2020 1:53
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RE: ... and other ignoramuses. The handbook does not replace God's Holy Unchanging Word. Read it before you judge.
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Still waiting for a copy of the handbook. I could not find a elders handbook edition on the Apostolic Christian Church Nazarene website, the elder body should post a copy on their website!
Can one of you ACCN elders please post a copy of the elder handbook on the ACCN website.Thank you.
RE:
Please note we use the Bible in all our decisions and yet when the path forward is not clear we reference past decisions made by our dearly departed Elders brothers.
^
Please give us some examples of elders "past decisions" when the path path forward was not clear by our dearly departed Elders brothers? I rally want to know!!!
And if the bible was not clear for those dearly departed Elders brothers, then where did elders reference (handbook) and base their decision Makings? because these new younger Elders generation have no clue either how to make biblical decisions.
Please help them, they need your help.
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Still waiting for a copy of the handbook. I could not find a elders handbook edition on the Apostolic Christian Church Nazarene website, the elder body should post a copy on their website!
Can one of you ACCN elders please post a copy of the elder handbook on the ACCN website.Thank you.
RE:
Please note we use the Bible in all our decisions and yet when the path forward is not clear we reference past decisions made by our dearly departed Elders brothers.
^
Please give us some examples of elders "past decisions" when the path path forward was not clear by our dearly departed Elders brothers? I rally want to know!!!
And if the bible was not clear for those dearly departed Elders brothers, then where did elders reference (handbook) and base their decision Makings? because these new younger Elders generation have no clue either how to make biblical decisions.
Please help them, they need your help.
Dear Serbia
USA
USA
31 Mar 2020 4:32
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Submit to God, Resist the Devil
Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for
“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”
Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,
Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for
“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”
Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,
Dear USA
Serbia
Serbia
31 Mar 2020 5:36
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Is that how you solve problems? be submissive,,, that's it !!!
What about abusive elders? be submissive?
What about abuse in the church? be submissive?
What about church practices ever changing? be submissive?
If you notice or witness a problem within your church members, ministers, elders etc would you be submissive?
and the list goes on........
Do you aa a christian have any obligations? perhaps you don't.
I believe I asked legitimate questions and requests??? still no answer's, only be "submissive"
If you cant answer any of my requests then you be submissive and be on your way.
Luke 19:40
“And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.”
Is that how you solve problems? be submissive,,, that's it !!!
What about abusive elders? be submissive?
What about abuse in the church? be submissive?
What about church practices ever changing? be submissive?
If you notice or witness a problem within your church members, ministers, elders etc would you be submissive?
and the list goes on........
Do you aa a christian have any obligations? perhaps you don't.
I believe I asked legitimate questions and requests??? still no answer's, only be "submissive"
If you cant answer any of my requests then you be submissive and be on your way.
Luke 19:40
“And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.”
not church elders
Australia
Australia
31 Mar 2020 22:06
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re. bible verse:
Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for
this is "NOT" referring to church elders.
elders have more then one meaning.
church elders is one thing, and those that are elderly in age, is another thing.
read the first part of the verse:
"Likewise you younger people,....."
giving councel in general to respect more those that are older then you.
and
then the second part:
......"submit yourselves to your elders. "
does this mean, that the older aged members dont have to be submissive to their church elders?
it's only talking about the "younger" to be submissive!!!!!!!
not, its "NOT" referring to church elders, but the older aged as they have more experience, they can give more councels...etc
the older need to be respected first...etc
Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for
this is "NOT" referring to church elders.
elders have more then one meaning.
church elders is one thing, and those that are elderly in age, is another thing.
read the first part of the verse:
"Likewise you younger people,....."
giving councel in general to respect more those that are older then you.
and
then the second part:
......"submit yourselves to your elders. "
does this mean, that the older aged members dont have to be submissive to their church elders?
it's only talking about the "younger" to be submissive!!!!!!!
not, its "NOT" referring to church elders, but the older aged as they have more experience, they can give more councels...etc
the older need to be respected first...etc
most probably not
Australia
Australia
31 Mar 2020 22:07
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its a confidential item only within the elders.
you may want to contact an elder direct for it, which i doubt any would give one to you to see or read.
you may want to contact an elder direct for it, which i doubt any would give one to you to see or read.
Poem.
Serbia
Serbia
1 Apr 2020 7:55
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5533 views
You ask nicely, silence.... you ask directly, offences....
You seek, you ask, but thing's get tense!
You realize you wont get far.
I asked for a booklet, and looked to the north star,
but what I ask for it seem's bizarre,
but I still hope and wait,
humbly, for the efforts of my teammates.
You seek, you ask, but thing's get tense!
You realize you wont get far.
I asked for a booklet, and looked to the north star,
but what I ask for it seem's bizarre,
but I still hope and wait,
humbly, for the efforts of my teammates.
To Mr Serbia
Australia
Australia
1 Apr 2020 13:31
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Leave it alone, don't ask or probe
The Elders live by this Book, they use it often, they need it to survive --- it's theirs, not ours
Ours is the Bible
The Elders live by this Book, they use it often, they need it to survive --- it's theirs, not ours
Ours is the Bible
I go to church.
Serbia
Serbia
1 Apr 2020 18:44
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5474 views
Not even a coloring book for my Canadian friend above?
Title: I go to church.
I go to church on Sunday’s
My favorite time of the Lord’s Day, I sing, I participate and enjoy to socialize.
I love everybody, everybody loves me, and I’m a nice guy.
I do chores, I clean my church, I even donate to a cause,
I sit at my pew like I always do, my preacher preaches but his word’s fade,
I close my eyes as I anticipate,
And every Sunday is a replay that I can imitate.
I will quote a serving elder's letter, 3rd last paragraph of a 4 page letter to the ACCN elder governing body in 2014.
"On a side note, dear brothers, you should be well aware that when, in a personal matter with another elder brother I followed the Lord’s instructions in Matthew 18 in brotherly obedience, the elder committee reprimanded me for doing so as a violation of the Elder Handbook rules."
What do you think happened to this 40 year's serving elder that wrote this paragraph?
I’ll leave it at that.
Title: I go to church.
I go to church on Sunday’s
My favorite time of the Lord’s Day, I sing, I participate and enjoy to socialize.
I love everybody, everybody loves me, and I’m a nice guy.
I do chores, I clean my church, I even donate to a cause,
I sit at my pew like I always do, my preacher preaches but his word’s fade,
I close my eyes as I anticipate,
And every Sunday is a replay that I can imitate.
I will quote a serving elder's letter, 3rd last paragraph of a 4 page letter to the ACCN elder governing body in 2014.
"On a side note, dear brothers, you should be well aware that when, in a personal matter with another elder brother I followed the Lord’s instructions in Matthew 18 in brotherly obedience, the elder committee reprimanded me for doing so as a violation of the Elder Handbook rules."
What do you think happened to this 40 year's serving elder that wrote this paragraph?
I’ll leave it at that.
harsh but true
Australia
Australia
1 Apr 2020 22:52
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re.
"On a side note, dear brothers, you should be well aware that when, in a personal matter with another elder brother I followed the Lord’s instructions in Matthew 18 in brotherly obedience, the elder committee reprimanded me for doing so as a violation of the Elder Handbook rules."
is ANYTHING above Jesus' teaching???????????????????
does their handbook repeat these bible verses:
1 Timothy 5:
19. Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
and
20. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
this is the Bibles answers:
2 Peter 2:14
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
Deuteronomy 18:20
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
"On a side note, dear brothers, you should be well aware that when, in a personal matter with another elder brother I followed the Lord’s instructions in Matthew 18 in brotherly obedience, the elder committee reprimanded me for doing so as a violation of the Elder Handbook rules."
is ANYTHING above Jesus' teaching???????????????????
does their handbook repeat these bible verses:
1 Timothy 5:
19. Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
and
20. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
this is the Bibles answers:
2 Peter 2:14
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
Deuteronomy 18:20
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
take careful note
Australia
Australia
1 Apr 2020 22:55
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note the wording:
1 Timothy 5:
20. Them that sin rebuke before "ALL"......
and
Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them "ALL"......
1 Timothy 5:
20. Them that sin rebuke before "ALL"......
and
Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them "ALL"......
Dear Ones
USA
USA
2 Apr 2020 0:27
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5437 views
Drink another chalice of slivovitza and all will be well!
Zion Harfa #38 God is Present in Thee Still...NOT
Zion Harfa #38 God is Present in Thee Still...NOT
Drink one for me.
Serbia
Serbia
2 Apr 2020 3:36
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5415 views
Title: I’ll drink one for you.
I gathered together with Christian youth, more than two,
We sat, we talked, and we eat beef stew,
I got up and said, it’s time to go, it’s past 12 am and I feel blue.
The Christian youth escorted me out, and offered to drive me home,
We made one stop, and were offered to drink a brew,
Have one beer the youth said, but it’s past midnight and time for bed,
Have half of my beer, or just a sip, or I’ll drink one for you, I knew the youth were thick head,
Anxious and nervous, I knew my actions would bring bloodshed.
So I left the youth for my bed, only to wake up in a watershed.
I gathered together with Christian youth, more than two,
We sat, we talked, and we eat beef stew,
I got up and said, it’s time to go, it’s past 12 am and I feel blue.
The Christian youth escorted me out, and offered to drive me home,
We made one stop, and were offered to drink a brew,
Have one beer the youth said, but it’s past midnight and time for bed,
Have half of my beer, or just a sip, or I’ll drink one for you, I knew the youth were thick head,
Anxious and nervous, I knew my actions would bring bloodshed.
So I left the youth for my bed, only to wake up in a watershed.
fear God not Jezebel
Australia
Australia
2 Apr 2020 11:44
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5368 views
1 Kings 21:8
So she (Jezebel) wrote letters in Ahab's name, and sealed them with his seal, and sent the letters unto the elders and to the nobles that were in his city, dwelling with Naboth...............
people over-right Gods word by writing letters to people, that make people believe THEIR word is above Gods word....
what was the end of Jezebel?
So she (Jezebel) wrote letters in Ahab's name, and sealed them with his seal, and sent the letters unto the elders and to the nobles that were in his city, dwelling with Naboth...............
people over-right Gods word by writing letters to people, that make people believe THEIR word is above Gods word....
what was the end of Jezebel?
dont fear elders
Australia
Australia
2 Apr 2020 16:57
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5333 views
re.
.......the elder committee reprimanded me for doing so as a violation of the Elder Handbook rules."
Violation of the Elder handbook rules???????????????
are you for real?????????????????
how much would the elder committee reprimand those that violate Gods word?
dont fear the elder committee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deuteronomy 18:20
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
.......the elder committee reprimanded me for doing so as a violation of the Elder Handbook rules."
Violation of the Elder handbook rules???????????????
are you for real?????????????????
how much would the elder committee reprimand those that violate Gods word?
dont fear the elder committee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deuteronomy 18:20
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Question
USA
USA
11 Jul 2020 5:27
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4854 views
Even if its asking for trouble, does anyone really have a copy?
The yellow book
Australia
Australia
12 Jul 2020 2:19
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So why do the elders need this book even?
word fro Jesus
Australia
Australia
13 Jul 2020 9:42
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4756 views
Mark 7:8
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mark 7:3-4
For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thus observing the traditions of the elders; and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves; and there are many other things which they have received in order to observe, such as the washing of cups and pitchers and copper pots.
Matthew 15:3
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mark 7:3-4
For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thus observing the traditions of the elders; and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves; and there are many other things which they have received in order to observe, such as the washing of cups and pitchers and copper pots.
Matthew 15:3
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
read slowly 10 times
Australia
Australia
13 Jul 2020 9:42
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4755 views
1 Peter 5
5 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
5 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
Gods word states
Australia
Australia
13 Jul 2020 18:23
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4726 views
Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
Revelation 22
18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
Revelation 22
18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Handbook
USA
USA
12 Aug 2020 10:29
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I have a PDF of the handbook for the ACCN. Who would like a copy?
Moderator
Australia
Australia
12 Aug 2020 10:57
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4508 views
It would be very good to have it. I can put the link on the main page too.
As this website does not allow links (because of all sorts of unwanted visitors who are posting their ads etc.) just pls send that PDF file to accnaustralia@gmail.com and I will take care of it. Thanks.
As this website does not allow links (because of all sorts of unwanted visitors who are posting their ads etc.) just pls send that PDF file to accnaustralia@gmail.com and I will take care of it. Thanks.
Handbook
USA
USA
13 Aug 2020 7:34
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4455 views
Sure, unless one the elders on here can give me a good reason why I shouldn't?
LoveGod
USA
USA
15 Aug 2020 10:40
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4361 views
I would love a copy! it would mean alot to me
Re: LoveGod
USA
USA
15 Aug 2020 15:25
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email: accnhandbook@gmail.com
LoveGod
USA
USA
15 Aug 2020 17:35
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4338 views
thank you:)
To, Handbook
Serbia
Serbia
17 Aug 2020 8:08
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4276 views
Can you please give the Moderator a PDF copy of the ACCN elder hand book.
Thanks.
Thanks.
question
Australia
Australia
14 Feb 2021 23:27
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dear moderator
did you end up receiving a copy of the elder handbook?
thanks
did you end up receiving a copy of the elder handbook?
thanks
LoveGod
USA
USA
30 Mar 2021 15:54
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3258 views
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