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ACCN Forum | Brunswick church order change

who allowed change
Australia
18 May 2020 23:53

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re. ACCN "Dangers of Fraternizatin" booklet

page 14 reads:

The forefathers of the Apostolic Christian Churches chose to maintain a closed community of believers. It was not closed in the sense that they did not evangelize or otherwise interact with those outside the community: it was closed in the sense that pulpits and communion tables were not shared, marriage was only with those within the fellowship, and members were expected not to worship with other churches.

Who allowed marriages to proceed at the Brunswick ACCN Church, between people from Serbia that are not ACCN members nor members from ANY other Nazarene Church with ACCN members in the USA?

note from page 14:

...."marriage was only with those within the fellowship,"......

who allowed this change?




Reason
USA
29 May 2020 11:50

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Perhaps there were problems with only marrying within a limited community.

really???
Australia
29 May 2020 22:32

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the bible cannot change for any form of justified disobedience.

deuteronomy 7:
2). And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
3). Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
1 corinthians 7:
39). ......................she is free to marry whomever she wishes, only in the Lord.


there are over 100 churches in the following countries around the globe, dear one!!!!!!

romania

serbia

croatia

south america

north america

canada

australia

germany

hungary

slovakia

ukraine

austria

God rules over human
USA
7 Jun 2020 20:08

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150 years ago most married within their own congregations, especially those that lived in remote areas. Perhaps the change came because of the greater availability AND affordability of long distance transport and the possibility to choose a spouse from a more diverse gene pool which God allowed. God almighty is Lord & master over procreation and all marriages belong to Him. If it were up to human made rules alone we would surely become extinct.



Bible not man made
Australia
8 Jun 2020 12:51

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these are the words of God:

NOT

human made rules....

deuteronomy 7:
2). And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
3). Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
1 corinthians 7:
39). ......................she is free to marry whomever she wishes, only in the Lord.


Taken out of context
USA
11 Jun 2020 4:48

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The verses in Deuteronomy 7 are explicitly given as a command to the nation of Israel to not intermingle with the listed Gentile nations in that chapter. That command does not have anything to do with us present Christians. Last time I checked, Christians aren't destroying Gentile nations with no mercy as this chapter in Deuteronomy states.

1 Corinthians 7:39 allows a woman to marry in the Lord. Marrying "In the Lord" does not mean "Marry within the Apostolic Christian Church denomination only".

Please read Deuteronomy 7 in historical context, as it is, and do not twist it to your own opinion. To understand and read scripture properly....just like any other book we read...…you need to ask yourself, "Who is speaking or writing?" "To whom is this being written to?" "From where is it being written?" "When was it written?" and "Why was it written?"

supply information
Australia
11 Jun 2020 11:27

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can you list over a 1000 brothers, from any christian denomination, that were in prison for the faith of Jesus in the last 100 years?
i dont think you can......
with the nazarenes, i can.....

In the Lord?
USA
12 Jun 2020 0:54

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If you "Marry in the Lord" does that mean you can marry a Police Officer, an Army Sargent, a Rock Band Drum Player/Singer, a Casino Game Dealer, etc. They all confess to be Christians too "In the Lord"!

Our Faith
USA
12 Jun 2020 1:02

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I can vividly remember Trian Florica asking at my Provings if I would promise to marry within "Our Faith"

Do we still know what our Nazarene Faith is?

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.

Information
USA
12 Jun 2020 15:13

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One only has to google Christian persecution to find the countless Christians in prison right this minute. There are many organizations dedicated to helping these people and praying for them. There are world maps of all the places on the earth where Christians are being persecuted and even losing their lives for their faith in Christ right now. Too many to count!

Think about it....
USA
17 Jun 2020 2:26

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Adding to what was stated above....having many people within a denomination go to prison for not willing to serve in a combat role, or being a Christian is not a good way to determine whether a particular denomination is somehow "set apart" or the "only obedient church in the world". There are God fearing men and women across the globe who suffer far worse persecution for their faith than those who you are appealing to. If you are going to appeal that Nazarene Christians are in the Lord because of their persecution, well then so are many others outside the denomination. Your logic doesn't really prove anything. Who are we to boast and commend ourselves as being set apart, when we fall drastically short of what is considered a "Good Church". Read scripture and look at the qualities that Jesus and Paul commends different church's in the Lord on. That's what we need to strive for as an example of being in the Lord. Simply comparing numbers of brothers and sisters in prison is not a good example at all.

Please Understand
USA
17 Jun 2020 2:58

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It's not wise to single out people as Christians based on their method of employment. Being a police officer or being a military leader is not a dishonorable profession, and can be held by a God fearing Christian. Just because the use of deadly force is necessary to defend the people and laws governing the land, does not in any way dishonor Jesus's command to love God and love man. The method of war has been use by God very frequently, so war in and of itself is not wrong. Sin is very very bad, and to battle against it and people so involved in it, it is necessary to use deadly force to protect the people being inflicted harm. I'm guessing you're not going to call the police or support the military when harm is being done to you or your loved ones.....you'll just stand idle watching it happen.

Playing drums and singing in a band is not wrong......the music and influence you are trying to give can be considered wrong. Working at a casino is debatable….lots of things to consider.

Making a promise to marry in a denomination only is pretty foolish, and should honestly be repented of for making a bad promise to make. It's very wrong to force someone to only marry in a denomination. I think it's evil for making people abide by this promise and forcing them to stay single, when they have a desire to marry. What's even more evil and outright disgusting is to audacity to tell these people that they are single because it is God's will....absolutely horrible.

Jesus taught truth
Australia
17 Jun 2020 12:23

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re. comment above on:

Just because the use of deadly force is necessary to defend the people and laws governing the land, does not in any way dishonor Jesus's command to love God and love man. The method of war has been use by God very frequently, so war in and of itself is not wrong. Sin is very very bad, and to battle against it and people so involved in it, it is necessary to use deadly force to protect the people being inflicted harm.

this is from the devil.

the old testament talks about killing the enemy.
the new testament does NOT talk about killing the enemy.

this comment is from the devil not from Jesus.

Jesus taught "love your enemy, not kill your enemy".

your comment is not backed up by Jesus.

the new testament teaches very clearly and plainly:

Ephesians 6:
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Matthew 5:
39. But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45, that you may be children of your Father in heaven.

these are from the bible
and
your comments are from the devil

Correction
USA
17 Jun 2020 22:19

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The Bible plainly says that you can NOT be a a police officer or a military leader and be a God fearing Christian!

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity!



absolutely
Australia
18 Jun 2020 17:06

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.......yes, very true.



Grateful to God.
Australia
22 Jun 2020 10:29

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The freedoms that all people enjoy, including ACCN Christians are because God has allowed those things such as Police and Military to create some order in a chaotic world. We should be grateful to God for our safety and not take it for granted. Without them there would be no order at all and every one would be thrown out of their homes by foreign invaders. There are some countries that would invade very quickly if a country had no army. And can you imagine the streets if there was no police?

No order.
Serbia
22 Jun 2020 16:18

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To bad there is no Police and Military in the ACCN churches,......to keep peace in order.

will be surprised
Australia
22 Jun 2020 16:31

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............soon

there will be soon.
but, people think they will get away with it.....

"MANY" will be surprised in a very short period of time.....


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Paul Pentsa
Brisbane
Janko Tomek
Melbourne
Andrew Szabo
Perth
Vlada Papuga
Melbourne
Philip Ruzeu
Melbourne
Nick Pentsa
Brisbane
Michael Stanjo
Melbourne
STAY AWAY FROM THIS MAN! His mouth is full of Biblical verses but his heart is filled with hatred, jealousy, treachery and lust for power. This FALSE CHRISTIAN is the root of almost all evil in ACCN in Australia and he will even take you to court, if he can't get his way.
Janko is pretty much like Paul, dishonest and unloving, just less intelligent. Janko is now building his humongous "warehouse" in Tarneit, destined to remain void of both faith and members. This UNREPENTED SINNER is still dreaming about becoming an elder!
Hard-hearted and egoistic, this long-time "elder" has caused immense grief, division and misery amongst the Nazarenes in Australia. Some even call him a sadist... not that Andrew really cares about anyone's opinion, though. Currently residing in a nursing home in Perth.
Earned his nickname by constantly repeating "Ljubazni" (Dear Ones) while preaching. This recently appointed "elder assistant" is ambitious, but at the same time not clever enough to realize he will always be just Paul's and Janko's messenger boy.
Philip is Paul Pentsa's son-in-law and definitely his best student. Proud, stubborn, arrogant - a classic bigot. Due to his off-putting personality and some weird beliefs, he's not on very good terms with Janko Tomek and other Slovaks in Tarneit.
Here is your future Elder, whether you like the idea or not. Nicky is "a very nice guy". No gift for preaching or leadership skills, but being Paul Pentsa's son, he's actually got everything he needs. Sooner or later his Dad will find the way to install him as his successor.
Janko Tomek's loyal admirer and bodyguard - sleazy, hypocritical, dishonest and ignorant. His interpretation of the Scriptures can make you laugh as well as his awkward sermons in broken English.


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