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17 July 2013 - Give peace a chance! POSTPONE BRISBANE BAPTISM FOR 2 MONTHS Our dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ! The hearing in the Supreme Court of NSW is scheduled for August 26th. To have that and a baptism (August 4th) in the same month - that really goes against all biblical principles, it is blasphemous and shameful. If that happens then we really have no right to call ourselves Christians. Spiritually, that would be the end of the Nazarene church in Australia. Beloved Brothers and Sisters, here is our proposal - postpone the baptism in Brisbane for two months, so it comes after the court hearing. During that time the website will be closed. This will open the door to healing and restoration. And if the real dialogue about our issues in Australia takes place, the website may stay closed for good. How about that? Is it not worth trying? Instead of pretending that we have peace in Australia, let's really have peace. Let's see what will happen on Sunday 21st in Marsden and Altona. Do you think that Paul and Janko will disregard this initiative? Let's hope and pray they won't! We feel optimistic!

COMMENT 1:   Wow, FANTASTIC IDEA!! Lets all pray about this with a strong desire that the Holy Spirit's guidance will REALLY guide each Australian member to TRUE peace and reconciliation. In word AND deed. GO for it!!   COMMENT 2:   John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Mark 1:4   Be very careful not to confuse what the new testament scriptures in the Holy Bible teaches about baptism. Baptism is the burial of the old "Adam" after the flesh, and the raising of the new creature in the spiritual likeness of Christ Jesus according to the faith of the convert who has truly repented. John the Baptist was endowed with the Holy Spirit, and was able to discern the spiritual state of the "convert" as they approached him at the river Jordan.   But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism , he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance. Matthew 3:8   Should the convert who is dead to sin then not be buried so they can take on the image of Christ Jesus? And by what power, or through whom do you suggest this transformation takes place? The Elder, Assistant Elder who submerges the convert in the water, or by the power of God through the faith of the submissive convert?   And Jesus answered and said unto them , I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.   The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe. Matthew 21:24   Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:3   According to these scriptures, it is the duty of the convert to be prepared for the burial of the of the old man according to their faith, not to be distracted by what may be happening to others around them. Be of strong faith, for it is your faith that will carry you through the tough times.   The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ 1 Peter 3:21   Regarding the laying on of hands (baptism of the Holy Spirit), again it is Gods work according to the faith of the convert and prayer.   Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. Acts 8:14   Regarding communion: Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. 1 Corinthians 11:27   Carefully consider these scriptures and examine ourselves.   Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. Malachi 3:1   God will even copy and paste what has been posted, together with what our thoughts were at the time on our pages in the book of remembrance.   COMMENT 3:   We should put more effort in maintaining / preserving the ordinances of Christ!! It is very clear that it is against the teaching of the Holy Scriptures for a brother to take a brother to court, especially before non-members. And whoever is doing this is sinning. Why not take a loss ($) and keep your conscious clear. Any offer for healing and a peaceful solutions should be accepted (subject that it does not require an agreement to any sin). There is One more point though, that must be taken into account, seriously: you must respect those souls that are ready for baptism, do not discourage them or get in the way of their salvation, for that too is a sin. The souls ready for baptism may not have anything to do with court cases.   COMMENT 4:   I am not a member of ACC faith but what I heard is that "VERNI" how you call yourselves do not drag each other into court, "VERNI" do not steal other man's house, "VERNI" do not put their wives in the mental hospital, "VERNI" do not give false testimonies and write awful stuff on the Internet about their church. It makes me sick when I read your website. You seem to be a new sort of "VERNI", not like the lambs but with claws and sharp teeth, like wolves, or better not say wolves cause a wolf is a noble animal, but more like hyenas.   COMMENT 5:   Matthew 5:9 - Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.   COMMENT 6:   If everyone lived according to God's words we wouldn't have these debates. It would be heaven.   COMMENT 7:   Comment 4, Why don't you become VERNI and show us how to live instead of criticizing the VERNI. I think this website has exposed a lot of things about the elders in Australia and abroad. This website is not taking anyone to court. Perhaps it would be better if you direct your comment to Paul Pentsa who is an Elder and is taking the Sydney church to court. Perhaps you should also direct your comment to Janko Tomek whose wife went to testify in the Supreme court. Not all VERNI are hypocrites like many of our leaders, just brothers and sisters trying to live in love and peace and unity but it's not obtainable when the corruption is coming from the top and they the elders are causing divisions in the churches because they are not VERNI. If this website makes you sick then you can go and stick your wolfish claws elsewhere.    COMMENT 8:   AMEN COMMENT 7!!!!!!!!!!   COMMENT 9:   Comment 7, this is the best comment I have read on the site since I started reading it in December. You know, I'm also sick and tired of people criticizing the website. If you really thought the website is so wrong why do you come every day to get your juicy gossip so you can spread around the church and be on the phone all day?? And then write how it’s wrong???? You people keep commenting stuff like it's wrong but we keep getting updates that there are record visitors. VERY INTERESTING...   OUR COMMENT: Now that somebody mentioned the number of visitors - Wednesday 17th of July was a new record day with 326 visitors. Brisbane 112, Melbourne 96, Sydney 25, Adelaide 10, Salem 9, Sterling Heights 8, Cleveland 8, Windsor 6, Kitchener 6, Sharon Center 5, Toronto 4, Los Angeles 4, Berea 4, Dublin 3, Wadsworth 3, Markham 2, Marburg 2, Detroit 2, Medina 2, and one visitor from: Perth, Oshawa, Szeged, Norwalk, Thousand Oaks, Colorado Springs, Monument, Clearwater, North Port, Honolulu, Charter Township of Clinton, Omaha, Bath, Columbus, and Eugene. All up 35 cities in 6 different countries. Yesterday was also good - 233 visitors. We'll see how it will go today, probably like yesterday     COMMENT 10:   Jesus said: "In my father's house are many mansions; Nazarenes are claiming they will be saved only. If that is so, there'll be too many empty rooms in heaven. Reading this website all the problems about them, I ask myself how many will be saved? How can they do such mean things to each other? Don't they read the BIBLE? But not only reading it but to live by it. I'm sure there are still some GOD fearing within. But the ones that are bad, they are really bad.   OUR COMMENT: That is true. 80% of our people are good, and that is why this website is trying to encourage them, because there is hope. The regime does not really have many people. There is Paul Pentsa and his family in Marsden (apart from Paul's two sisters who do not want to be in the same church with him), then there is Janko Tomek and his family in Altona, plus a few families that support Janko (Ruzeu, Kolarik, Suhanek, Ardelan), then there is Matea Lincu in Sydney and there is Gabor Dostan in Adelaide. And that is pretty much all. Perhaps 30 to 40 people, which makes 20% of all members. The other 80% are against them, or confused, afraid, disappointed, and silenced.   COMMENT 11:   Hey, Hey! I ask for calm. The comment No.4 on 17 July, whoever thou art, please be aware that the Holy Scriptures says: Act 20:29  For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Luk 10:3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves. The Lord said, Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. As there were false prophets in the days of the old testament so also there are false brethren among the flock. And you CANNOT have it otherwise (you need to realize that we are on earth, and not in heaven yet) for all that is written in the Bible MUST be fulfilled. Our part (job) is that we do not agree nor participate with the works of sin (and to bear witness to the truth and to support "justice") and when you avoid sin and refuse to agree to sin, this will cause you to be persecuted, which in turn is to you evidence that thou art on the straight and narrow. Do not be afraid to carry the cross, be willing to accept persecution in the name if God's justice, and for the sake of backing God's laws. My point is this: you CANNOT avoid having false brethren among the flock, because the Word of God says that these things will be. So, we will/must suffer injustice, but must NOT agree with injustice. You should not be surprised, for the Scriptures says: Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Was not Judas one of the 12 disciples? Yet for you and me and to all, let it be very very clear: What you sow, that shall you reap. Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting   COMMENT 12:     Now, getting back to the North American version of the website... is anyone from USA and Canada willing to share some of the horror stories from over there? I know some things but I'm not sure if it's appropriate to comment since this is mainly an Australian website. NO I'm not one of those weird people who think "this is my terriory," "this is yours," because that's not Biblical. We are all one. If anyone is willing, maybe we could get this North American website thing moving... OUR COMMENT: So, www.accn-america.com is coming online? You do not need much, less than $20 a month for hosting and one of those free HTML editors like Kompozer. Make sure your website is simple, with big letters that can be easily read by elderly people and on various mobile devices. In the meantime as we already said, all North American stories are welcome here, as truly we are one faith and one Body of Christ and we'll fight the abuse together.   COMMENT 13:     PSALM 15: Lord, who may abide in your tabernacle? Who may dwell in your holy hill? He who walks uprightly, and works righteousness, and speaks the truth in his heart; He who does not backbite with his tongue, nor does evil to his neighbour, nor does he take up a reproach against his friend; In whose eyes a vile person is despised, but he honours those who fear the Lord; He who swears to his own hurt and does not change; He who does not put out his money at usury, nor does he take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved.   COMMENT 14:    Greetings from USA. Is the Melbourne church still trying to be sold? OUR COMMENT: Greetings! The Altona church is still on the market although almost no one in Melbourne believes it can be sold, given all legal obstacles. http://www.westwoodfn.com.au/index.cfm?pagecall=property&propertyid=2153005   COMMENT 15:     Greetings comment no 14, Pray for us.... for our church. GOD save us from selfish leaders and members...

You made a comment that all the people who are going to the baptism in Brisbane are going with peace in their heart, and they know they are doing wrong, but they are doing it anyway. You said this in a "reply" comment regarding the person who wrote comment 9. So are you saying this because of the court case regarding the Sydney church that the person was talking about in comment 9, or for what reason? If you are, then the person in comment 9 is right, because if people don't know the true story, how are they suppose to know they are doing wrong? Maybe they aren't doing wrong. You can't say a person is doing wrong if they don't know the whole story and don't know all the facts, and don't know that they are doing wrong. If you have other reasons for saying this, and not in relation to the Sydney court case or comment 9, then that is another story, and put that separately, but then don't make it sound like everyone knows what is going on about the Sydney court case, and knows all the facts, and that they are doing wrong, and going to the baptism anyway. That is judging unfairly to people who don't know the whole story. Not fair for you to say that. I have talked to people who have no idea of what is going on in Sydney. If you have other reasons that you think people should not attend, then like I said, don't connect it with Sydney court case. There are the majority of members in Australia who do not know the truth about the Sydney court case, so since you said you cannot put anything on here about the court case, then best you don't judge people either for going to the baptism for something they don't know about. Let's keep it fair. If you think the Elders and Ministers WHO DO KNOW THE TRUTH should not even have a baptism, then that is a different story, and they must answer for themselves, but don't put all the people in the same basket.
 
Personally, I would say that Matea Lincu should not be at the baptism from everything we know about him, and even being separated from his wife is reason enough for him not to attend, because that is a known fact to everyone. However, regarding the court case, people don't know the truth or the known facts, therefore, they should not feel guilty about going to the baptism for something they know nothing about. I think you should retract that statement. Like I said, if you think they should not attend the baptism because of the Elders or Ministers, etc, then that is a different story, and then say something like that, but don't connect it with Sydney court case and condemn people for something they know nothing about.
 
If you think people should not attend the baptism just because there is a "court case" and you say it is unbiblical, well there again, we do not know the circumstances, and we do not know if one of the parties connected with this case has perhaps "sinned" and gone against the law of the land, and we do not know who is suing who, and who is defending themselves and what is involved. Yes, true, the Bible says not to take your brother to court, but until we know the truth, we cannot make any comments. I know a few cases overseas, where the brothers had to take other brothers to court, because there was sin involved, underhanded things that were illegal going on, shiftiness, stealing, lying and other things involved, which was not only sin, but against the law of the land, and the court had to legally be involved to sort things out. It is a shame yes, and this should not have to be the case with Christians, but it does happen. So like I said, until we know all the facts and circumstances, and the whole truth, none of us can make any further comments.  If sin is involved, and breaking the law of the land, then sometimes you have to go to court to sort things out legally. The church then, should also deal with that brother who did things unruly or illegally, and be dealt with by the church as well, not just the court. We still have to abide by the law of the land and the government, and if a brother sins illegally, he has to be dealt with by the government and the law of the land to make thing right,as well as the church. This is why I say, it all depends on the circumstances involved, which we don't know about. I hope the truth all comes out in the end, and then, once the truth comes out, we are better prepared to make any kind of discerning judgment.
 
COMMENT 1:
 
Shame on you who covet your neighbour’s property. Exodus, Ch 20 v17 'You shall not covet your neighbour's house; you shall not covet your neighbour's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbour's'. This is not the first time Paul Pentsa allowed covetousness into Nazarene churches. The meaning of covetous in the Heinemann Australian Dictionary is, 'to want something like a property enviously or eagerly, especially something belonging to someone else' done in secrete as well. I Corinthians Ch 6 V10 'nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God'. Poor souls which practice and do not repent for they will be condemned to the everlasting pit with Satan. Acts Ch 20 V 30-33 'Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. Therefore, watch and remember that for 3 years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears. So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified. I have coveted no one's silver or gold or apparel'. Most of these will be at the baptism, as every word fell on deafened ears!
      
COMMENT 2:
 
To comment the writer from 15 July: Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? 1 Corinth.6:7
 
This Biblical verse doesn’t have ANY compromise.
It doesn’t have any reason TO transgress.
It doesn’t state except for........, that a Brother CAN go to law with another Brother.
What does somebody do: "take the wrong" and "suffer yourselves to be defrauded".
Why? BECAUSE IT'S BIBLICAL!!
Do you like somebody taking you to court? Can you give me an honest answer to this question?
What does JESUS’ teaching teach us?
Do unto others what you like people to do to you.
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. St.Matt.7:12.
ALSO:
Every member in Australia received a letter in the mail regarding the court case in Sydney. SO, EVERYONE knows very clearly what's happening. EVERYONE knows that a court case is on, and nobody has so far been accountable for it. SO, there is still sin in the fellowship. And, until reconciliation is made for this sin, no Baptism can be preformed.
OTHERWISE: 27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 1 Corinth.11:27.
 
COMMENT 3:
 
I think it's necessary to start a North American website. I think Jim Igic, Mark Igic, and the likes need to be exposed. When someone starts one please post it on this website so we can get to it. A writer wrote that these accused elders should come on this site and defend themselves. They know they cannot as what is written is true. I think it's time that more get exposed so healing can come and they stop their dictatorship. Moreover, it's sickening that Paul Pentsa is going on with the baptisms while he is suing Sydney members. I think the whole church should boycott that day until he makes right his wrongs. Punishing those in Melbourne for VCAT and he is suing in the supreme court. Wow, can't get more hypicritical than that.
 
Sorry to the families who lost these little angles due to drownings.
 
COMMENT 4:
 
Coveting your neighbour's property is biblical & they will not inherit the kingdom of God, & yes they should let themselves accept wrong because this would be the same as somebody taking his mum's house. A majority of Romanians agree with the covetous act. Ephesians Ch 5; V 5-7; 'for this you know that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolator has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers of them'.
 
COMMENT 5:
 
Hey comment 4, just to let you know, I never received a letter in the mail EVER about the Sydney court case. I made a few phone calls yesterday, and seems several people here in Melbourne never received that letter either, and quite a few in Brisbane never received it either. What are we missing out on?
 
COMMENT 6:
 
To website writer and for comment writer 5:
Are you able to supply that original letter regarding the Sydney court case sent to all AU members? Thanks.

 
COMMENT 7:
 
Re this comment -15 July 2013 - "People do not know about court"
 
I really appreciate and like the last comment just posted. You sound like a wise mature Christian, who has walked with the Lord for awhile, who does not jump to quick conclusions without knowing all the facts. I feel I am at that stage too, unlike years ago when I was green, and ready to believe anything! Very true... a lot of members do not know the full facts (Satan can lie to us, and tell us they all know what is going on... but this is a lie) so we cannot blame them. Most are not involved in this church war. I also appreciate you writing your comments so extensively and MAKING AN EFFORT when others turn their backs and refuse to add any GOOD TO THIS SITE because of a passive and lazy nature. If this is a war, why not fight on God's Team and add something useful from the Spirit of God?
 
Even if we do not agree with everything re comments people have put, it gets us thinking and can help heal wounds and differences. WHY? BECAUSE NEVER EVER IN AUST, HAS THERE EVER EVER BEEN A PLACE TO TURN FOR HEALING, HELP AND RESTORATION e.g. like an ACC hotline. No second chances, no follow ups for members who are struggling, disciplined, etc.. These members are just left on their own.
 
Many think in BLACK AND WHITE, RIGHT AND WRONG... this thinking is hand made by the enemy. This extreme way of thinking allows no mercy, love, and restoration. Jesus's way or Satan's?

BE THE ONE WHO MAKES THE DIFFERENCE EVEN IN A CHURCH WAR. But do it with a pure heart and God will fight for you. Whoever you are, reading this, YOU MAY BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL HELP SOME POOR SOUL OFF THE EDGE on this site, AND BACK INTO GOD'S ARMS OF LOVE AND GRACE.

Can healing and restoration come through even this website? Absolutely!!! Because from BAD, so much good can come, because there is always HOPE and HEALING FOR all of God's children.
 
COMMENT 8:
 
If your not happy the way things are done under Paul Pentsa... start your own church and see what it's like... What's stopping you? You obviously think you are capable of doing it and leading a flock of people. Just a thought.
     
COMMENT 9:
 
Comment 2 is not true... the Comment 2 replying to the person who wrote the July 15th comment. (you have THREE comment 2's on here, it is getting confusing. Try something else how to number the comments). Anyway, NOT every member in Australia received a letter or letters, and I never received ONE letter, let alone 5. Take that part of comment 2 out please, as it really irritates me, as I know that is not true, and whoever wrote that is saying it with an attitude like they know everything and are positive about that. I know quite a few people who NEVER received a letter. Calm down too, you person who wrote comment 2, as you sound very hostile.
 
COMMENT 10:
 
I have been told all parties involved have been through lengthy legal proceedings in this case that is being mentions here. True or untrue but maybe all the brothers and sisters in this case didn't want this rehashed. We heard about it years ago and some of us have no interest in the matter. Plz get rid of and listen to the wonderful comment 7 and move on.

COMMENT 11:
 
Whoever is the owner of this site, don't be selective when it comes to exposing sin within the church. PB is a bad man and true believers know and see that.

Keep up the website, I visit often for updates and am intrigued by the similarities of control in the church. Although I was raised attending; albeit the "other side", I never joined or became a member of the church. Always felt there was love preached; but, never shown. The thought of ruling by fear to me is not of God; but, that's my two cents. I wish there was a website for the North American region I would have much more to comment on :)
 

Sydney - Here is another update on Ljubica Lincu's situation. We were informed that she will be released from the hospital on 23rd of this month. A group of church members visited her again and brought her some food that she likes. Ljubica thanked everyone for their support, and asked us to pray for her. She has also expressed her gratitude to this website, for letting everyone in Australia and overseas know what was happening to her. She repeated her claims that she was taken by the police from her own apartment, not from the street, as her estranged husband Matea, Janko Tomek and others said. There is a statement issued by the police which proves this. If we get a copy of the statement it will be posted here.

In the meantime, Ljubica's estranged husband Matea, instead to stay close to his wife and support her in these difficult moments, went to Canberra for a holiday. His car broke down before Matea got there so he had to return to Sydney. Whether you call it God's will or just a mishap on the road, it does not give Matea much credit.
 
COMMENT 1:
 
I would like to see the police report posted on here about Matea Lincu's wife. If these brothers are lying, then it must come out in the open. They must be exposed.
 
COMMENT 2:
 
Obviously then, the hospital does NOT think that Matea Lincu's wife is MENTAL if they are willing to release her from hospital, or that she is a dangerous threat to herself or Matea. What does that say about Matea Lincu all these years? Was he just lying and making up stories that his wife was mental, just so he didn't have to live with her? What a shame.
 
COMMENT 3:
 
PLEASE PLEASE PUT A POLICE REPORT ABOUT LJUBICA. THAT WILL CLARIFY THE WHOLE SITUATION WITH MATEA. MATEA HAS REPEATED THE STORY TO MANY THAT SHE WAS FOUND BY POLICE AT A SCHOOL, NOT PICKED UP AT HER HOUSE.
 
COMMENT 4:
 
Ljubica has the right to obtain a copy of the police report, which she should get. That would really prove her side of the story. Makes me sick to think if her husband was lying about her all these years and only telling his side of the story. Someone who visits her, help her get that police report.
 
COMMENT 5:
 
Hi, I'm the one that wrote a few days ago asking if it's true that Matija beats Ljubica and all that. I'm really curious about this police report too. If I see proof that Ljubica really was picked up at home and that Matija was lying, I will believe that she was beat too. I just don't know what to believe, he is forcefully refusing that any of this is true. THE BIG QUESTION: IS IT????? Nobody seems to know. It is being said that Matija said that they found her at school and asked her what are you doing here? And she answered "looking for you."
 
Samo nakratko i na Srpskom malo... da li neko zna nesto o Matiji i o Ljubici da li je to stvarno istina da je on nju tukao i da je zvao policiju da dodje po nju a ne kako on kaze da su je nasli u skoli??
   
COMMENT 6:
   
I also heard that Matea Lincu has been on a pension for many, many years, however he never let Centrelink know that his sister Sophia left him a unit/house and a lot of money. I heard he never claimed that as income or assets to Centrelink. Is that true? Perhaps someone in Sydney should call Centrelink and let them investigate him for Fraud.
 
COMMENT 7:
   
Links that people can fill in and lodge on line: for people that don't claim income.
http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/information/fraud-and-security
https://www.medicareaustralia.gov.au/webinterprise/hicbox.nsf/Suspected+Fraud?OpenForm
https://www.centrelink.gov.au/wps/portal/clk_common/TORS
 
COMMENT 8:
   
I would like to make one comment only to THOSE WHO DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS WEBSITE. I am a free member with zero enemies. If you are reading this and getting MADDER AND MADDER, please do this ONLY. If you read anything that you know is not true, it is your Christian duty, to not turn away, but to state the facts. Without your name. This is NOT SINFUL to add something good from God's Spirit, YES, EVEN ON THIS WEBSITE YOU DISAGREE WITH. I can tell you this... if I was reading stuff about myself that was totally false, I would be taking action FAST and I WOULD CERTAINLY EXPLAIN TRUE FACTS and who would not? So, minister, elder, whoever you are, DO IT, BECAUSE, IF YOU DON'T, others will be believing a lie, and you are allowing this to continue WILFULLY AND KNOWINGLY. If others do not believe you, at least you have done your duty. Your job as a leader in the ACC is to help the sick and diseased hurting sheep "outside" (which you label as trouble makers) because if you are only interested in trouble-free members with no needs at all, you have missed the whole point of BEING A SHEPHERD.
 
COMMENT 9:
  
We understand that the court case regarding the Sydney church is coming close at hand. Since you state that you only want to put "facts" on this website, is it possible for you to clarify something? [etc. message truncated]
 
 

  
Sydney - Here is an update on Ljubica Lincu's imprisonment in the mental hospital. Firstly, how did she get there? There are two versions of the story. Matea Lincu, Ljubica's estranged husband, says she was picked up by the police in front of a kindergarten centre (?) Ljubica and her sisters claim that Ljubica was picked up by the police in her apartment. Matea called the police and insisted that she should be hospitalized. These two stories obviously contradict each other.
 

Always elegant: Ljubica Lincu in her room at the Concord Centre for Mental Health

 

The hospital's management is now considering a ban on Matea's visits. Ljubica's sister Milica spoke with them on Friday and testified about Matea's abuse. The hospital has tried to ring Matea number of times but he did not want to pick up the phone. Left: Matea Lincu

   
COMMENT 1:
 
Poor Ljubica, she sure has aged and looks thin, but as the picture says, always elegant. How can her husband do this to her? How can he leave her and put her in such a place. Didn't he make a promise to her and God for better or for worse? In sickness and in health? It's looking now more and more clear that he did beat her. But the real question is how can Pentsa still support Matea to preach?? Pentsa just can't support anything other than corrupt and evil. Can he?? You, Pentsa supporters? 
   
COMMENT 2:
 
Greetings Website and all readers.
I am from USA and am saddened to hear that Ljubica is in the mental hospital. She really lost weight from that picture, but I see she is not letting herself go, she always dressed nice.
Anyway, I am torn on what to believe. Is it really true that Matija beats her? Or did? He doesn't seem like the type of person. Is it perhaps MAYBE because she is mentally a little not OK that she says this stuff??? I don't know, I am just asking. Then again if it wasn't true why would Milica testify, why would so many support her?? I would like to hear both the Website comments and the readers, please mix in, I want to hear from you guys what you think. (Note to the editors - maybe make this a new topic on a new date like you used to, lately it's been kind of confusing. Thanks.)

 
COMMENT 3:
   
My point about Mateja Lincu, is that even IF his wife has some mental problems, he has no right to beat her or hit her. That is totally unacceptable. What happened to "in sickness and in health"? Only the people who know for sure if this is true or not can testify. Why would she make this up for years though? Why don't the church and leaders believe her side, not only his side? Also, another point I would like to say is even IF they cannot live together, then fair enough, let them separate in peace, and live apart. However, Mateja Lincu should NOT be a free preacher under those circumstances. I wonder how many other preachers would be able to continue to be a preacher if they were separated from their wives? No matter what the reason why, he should not preach. It doesn't matter if there is nobody else in Sydney to preach... that does not justify sin, nor does it justify that he can be a preacher. He should not be a preacher as long as he is separated from his wife. Mateja Lincu was separated from his wife for YEARS now, way before she ever went into the mental hospital, so the bottom line is that he should not preach. I understand that the church pays for ministers to go to Sydney every now and then, and preach to them. So then, close the church and tell Mateja he is not allowed to preach any more as long as he is separated from his wife, no matter what the circumstance, and have a minister from another church go to Sydney once a month to preach for the members there. I'm sure other ministers would be told the same.
 
  
COMMENT 4:
   
No Biblical verse justifies a husband can leave his wife, or that a wife can leave her husband, EXCEPT for adultery. If anyone knows of a Biblical verse that allows separation for any other reason, can I have someone quote the verse please?
If he or she is sick, then the other is there to help. Even if it’s a mental issue in question.
Is it not why it’s quoted ‘in sickness and in health’?
Does ‘in sickness and in health’ cover only some sicknesses, or ANY sickness?
Does a mental state fall under a category of sickness or health?
Either way is not an act of adultery, so he cannot leave his wife.
True or false?
So, remaining as a preacher is definitely out of the question.
There was a couple (within the ACCN) that were separated for some time, and the husband moved away to another church for some time, and the church where he was attending instructed him that he cannot participate in the church service in any part, cannot find songs in any part of the service, and cannot participate in offering a prayer. SO, how can this Matea still remain a preacher? Is he Romanian? Because I know Pentsa is, so maybe they are in each other’s good books??
 
 
COMMENT 5:
   
As far as I can see and understand, in the Bible, Matthew Ch 19: verses 8 and 9, talks about divorcement, and states that because of the hardness of the heart Moses permitted a man to divorce his wife, but from the beginning it was not so, EXCEPT for IMMORALITY, and the other gospels state the word ADULTERY.
 
However, if your read I Corinthians Ch 7: verses 10 and 11, it actually gives more liberty to the WIFE to leave her husband, and NO liberty to the husband to send his wife away. It reads "But to the married, I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but IF SHE DOES LEAVE, let her remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband SHOULD NOT SEND HIS WIFE AWAY."
 
It is clear then, that Matea Lincu has no Biblical reason to "send his wife away."  I am sure there are many other believers in the church world wide who may have a spouse with mental problems, and they are still living together with that person, as God has willed. If she needs medication, so be it. If the doctors state that she needs hospitalization for a time being, then so be it. However, he cannot leave her just because she has mental problems, and he himself cannot just make a decision that she is mental and has to be locked up, just because he does not want to live with her. And what about BEFORE she was locked up in the hospital? What about them being separated for many years before all this? He probably stated that she was "mental" and he could not live with her anymore, and that was it, he left her and sent his wife away. Perhaps it was from his own stubbornness and hard heart? Where is the faith in God to believe it was God's will to live with his wife no matter what? Being a preacher, he certainly is NOT a good example of this. Maybe HE was or is the mental one, and she couldn't live with his abuse anymore? Do they question this? Probably not, as he is still preaching in the house to the sisters across the street from the church building, so he is still a free preacher. Perhaps she became "mental" from all of his abuse he did to her over the years? Only they themselves know the truth, and we ALL have to answer to God for our actions.
 
What bothers me in the church, is that there is no consistency. What is right for one brother is not the same rule for another. What is right for one sister, is not the same rule for another. Therefore, some can get away with it, while others are told to live with their mentally ill spouse. Why are there different rules for different people? The circumstance is either the same, or it may be different, but God' word, The Bible, does not change, nor make any respect of persons.
   
COMMENT 6:
   
Comment 5, well that's why I believe this site was launched... just as you said BECAUSE there is NO consistency. Of course the rules apply differently. If you support Janko Tomek and Paul Pentsa and the likes you will be treated with a white glove. If you are against them, you will be excommunicated or punished.
 
 

Back to our article from 6 April 2013 ("The Book of Eternal Life"). There are 219 names listed in the latest edition of "Church Directory", published in 2009. It's time to publish a new one, isn't it? The trouble is, there would be at least 20 names less than in 2009, which is not very flattering to our church "leaders".

However, the real magnitude of disaster will become even clearer if we compare this with the number of members we used to have in those "happy days" of ACCN in Australia. Many among us still remember, for example, this church directory from 1996.
There are 311 names of church members listed in this 1996 directory (those marked with a star). In comparison to our current number of let's say 200 members, that is a 36% drop in just 17 years! Wow! Where have all these people gone? Splits, deaths, expulsions, people leaving the church or leaving Australia... If we keep going like this there will be less than 100 members by 2025, at the current rate of baptism, immigration, death and expulsion. End times indeed! 
 
COMMENT 1:
 
Straight to the point! But it's not just that. You forgot to mention another important thing, that everyone is now 17 years older and hence 17 years closer to their grave. Once the seniors start leaving this world the church in Australia will melt away like snow in the sun. Bravo Paul! Bravo Tomek! Bravo, bravo! All good stewards!

 
I see that there have not been updates from Melbourne for a long time. I'm taking it that you brothers and sisters have made peace both with yourselves and with Paul Pentsa?? That's very nice. And he is no longer pushing for the church to be sold? That's nice too. And he accepted back all those he wrongfully punished and excommunicated? Very nice. Sat down as elder? Awesome. Gave the Australian church over to Yugoslav or American elders? Great. Admitted he lied about the tape recording? Wonderful. Asked for forgiveness from everyone?? What could be better?? See, this can happen even to the hardest of hearts.
 
COMMENT 1:
 
Hello Website!
What is absolutely mind blowing is that after all these months nobody (Paul Pentsa or Janko Tomek or Szabo from Perth) bothered to get in touch with you guys who made these complaints on the website and try to talk and resolve the issues?! That way really, they lose all their credibility! Can you confirm that there were no initiatives whatsoever to get together, and just sit and talk?!?
 
COMMENT 2:
 
To you no "news from Melbourne" is today's news, to as is another day of pain, my dear pilgrim traveler.

Sydney - Matea Lincu, Ljubica's estranged husband, called the police to come and transfer his wife to a mental institution. It's already been three weeks since she's locked, first in a mental hospital in Sydney's Liverpool and then in the Concord Mental Health hospital (phone 02 97675000) but Matea did not inform any one about it, not even Ljubica's two sisters who also live in Sydney and go to church with Matea.

From the hospital's website: The Concord Centre for Mental Health are acute units for the treatment of persons with mental health problems who cannot be safely or effectively treated within the community.

There is a long history of physical and mental abuse between Matea and Ljubica:
Ljubica Lincu's Confession from 2010: (English) (Serbian) (PDF)

Perhaps Matea is the one who deserves to be locked in such institution? He does not live with his wife for something  like 10 years, so why would he have the right to put her in a mental hospital?

Ljubica's sister Milica complained to Janko Tomek, who told her "Don't spread it around".

Matea is officially still recognized as a minister in Sydney, backed up by Paul Pentsa and Janko Tomek.

A group of church members went today to the hospital to see Ljubica. They said that Ljubica is locked there without a pyjama, with no money and no one to visit her. Ljubica is in a pretty poor condition, weak and skinny. They are now making efforts to release her from the hospital and bring her home. More details coming soon.
 
COMMENT 1:
 
First of all...I totally agree with comment 10 [from previous discussion].

Second... It is none of our business why this person committed suicide. We have no right to judge him. God will do that. Instead we should pray for that family for God to give them strength and peace through this very sad time.

I am very sad to hear that Ljubica has been put into a mental hospital. Matija has a lot to answer for. As a husband he should be there for his wife and help her in any way he can and not add to her troubles. When they first got married and he abused his wife, the ministers spoke to him about that, and that did nothing at all. The abuse continued. He should have been put under dicipline there and then. But nothing came of it, he continued abusing her and everybody just ignored it. Very sad that this is going on in our churches.

Also I believe that this web site has gone off the track. There are so many comments that do not relate to the issue that this site was created for in the first place. What now? Obviously Pentsa is still the elder and nobody has the guts to take him down. Where do we go from here? What will happen now?
 
  
COMMENT 2:
 
Why did Matija put away Ljubica in a mental place when he doesn’t even live with her? Is he trying to justify and hide his abuse towards her? Comment 1 - I don't see this site as going off topic. Everything is connected to the abuses of an elder. Just like the article above, Pentsa made many apologize to him while he was lying through his teeth about the church recording. You ask what now? I think more exposure on him and on all elders is what is needed.

COMMENT 3:
 
There IS a solution to all of this, and it's this: STICK TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES. This is the one and only solution to all these issues, for one and "ALL" to adhere to the Holy Scriptures. Everybody (without exception) to CONFORM TO and FOLLOW FULLY & EXACTLY the Holy Bible. Let's all put much more effort to achieve this!!

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