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8
Dec
2013 "Michael Stanjo has no gift for preaching" Sent by a reader Greetings Website! When Janko put a minister down he gave an excuse that it was because of his daughter falling away. But that was a year after the fact. How come they don't take Mike Stanjo down because his son, who is a friend, doesn't come to church anymore, but no, he is a Slovak! People are walking out when he is preaching and praying. He has no gift from God for that but they still torture the people by keeping him there. The non-members are complaining about how he doesn't know how to speak English or read or talk up there. If it's good for other ministers to come down then it's great for Michael Stanjo to come down. It's like an exodus when he gets up to the pulpit. And then they wonder why members are leaving and non-members are not coming anymore, including his own son. God bless and we are in prayer that God will help us all. (AUS) |
COMMENT 1:
Michael is an embarrassment to say the least! (AUS)
COMMENT 2:
I'm confused they dismissed the other minister; he preached better then the current ones. (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
They dismissed him because he's a Serb! Romanians & Slovaks only need apply. (AUS)
COMMENT 4:
To comment 3, that is soooo racist a discriminatory comment not only with the law but also with God. God does not look at nationality, colour, occupation, age, gender, etc. but those who fully obey his commandments. (AUS)
COMMENT 5:
To comment 4; that's correct, God does not look at those things you mentioned but Janko Tomek does. That is not racist, it's an actual fact... The Serbs get treated really badly in that church. You must be a Slovak. (AUS)
COMMENT 6:
Comment 4 is a hypocrite. (AUS)
COMMENT 7:
Comment 5/6: I wrote comment 4 and I am totally against Janko Tomek and his followers. (AUS)
COMMENT 8:
My apologies, I understood as though you were saying my comment is discriminatory. There sure are some good Slovaks in that church that are also suffering. It's very obvious that Serbs are not liked by most of the Slovaks. They don't even say hello or give you a hand shake because they think they are more "verni"! Haha I really feel sorry for them.. So lost and blind. They serve man! (AUS)
COMMENT 9:
It's true that the Slovaks in Altona hate Serbs but they can't stand Romanians either, they call them "Gypsies", behind their backs of course. (AUS)
COMMENT 10:
The name of this website should be changed from "Spiritual and Mental Abuse in Apostolic Christian Church Nazarene in Australia" to "Apostolic Christian Church Nazarene in Australia Gossip." Based on most of the comments I have read here, that is what it has become - a place to post the latest gossip. Don't get me wrong; I am in favour of this website exposing elder abuse. I just think it has lost its focus. (USA)
Michael is an embarrassment to say the least! (AUS)
COMMENT 2:
I'm confused they dismissed the other minister; he preached better then the current ones. (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
They dismissed him because he's a Serb! Romanians & Slovaks only need apply. (AUS)
COMMENT 4:
To comment 3, that is soooo racist a discriminatory comment not only with the law but also with God. God does not look at nationality, colour, occupation, age, gender, etc. but those who fully obey his commandments. (AUS)
COMMENT 5:
To comment 4; that's correct, God does not look at those things you mentioned but Janko Tomek does. That is not racist, it's an actual fact... The Serbs get treated really badly in that church. You must be a Slovak. (AUS)
COMMENT 6:
Comment 4 is a hypocrite. (AUS)
COMMENT 7:
Comment 5/6: I wrote comment 4 and I am totally against Janko Tomek and his followers. (AUS)
COMMENT 8:
My apologies, I understood as though you were saying my comment is discriminatory. There sure are some good Slovaks in that church that are also suffering. It's very obvious that Serbs are not liked by most of the Slovaks. They don't even say hello or give you a hand shake because they think they are more "verni"! Haha I really feel sorry for them.. So lost and blind. They serve man! (AUS)
COMMENT 9:
It's true that the Slovaks in Altona hate Serbs but they can't stand Romanians either, they call them "Gypsies", behind their backs of course. (AUS)
COMMENT 10:
The name of this website should be changed from "Spiritual and Mental Abuse in Apostolic Christian Church Nazarene in Australia" to "Apostolic Christian Church Nazarene in Australia Gossip." Based on most of the comments I have read here, that is what it has become - a place to post the latest gossip. Don't get me wrong; I am in favour of this website exposing elder abuse. I just think it has lost its focus. (USA)
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2 December 2013: Janko in Sydney, instructing Matea Janko
Tomek and his wife are
currently in Sydney with Matea Lincu. No one knows the reason for this
visit but it is most likely to support Matea and give him more money
for the court (yes, YOUR
MONEY,
dear Altona 1 members). Janko's plan is to sell the Sydney church after
Matea's death and use the funds to build the new church in
Melbourne.
This would also solve Janko's problem with the Altona 2 members, as
they would not be welcome to worship there. There you go - all problems
fixed,
believes Janko The Schemer.
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Wow, nice picture. Sydney Church
must be worth way over a million dollars.
Tomek should explain why he's in Sydney. This website is no excuse for his underground dirty work. He beats around the bush. He won't tell the Church. (AUS)
Tomek should explain why he's in Sydney. This website is no excuse for his underground dirty work. He beats around the bush. He won't tell the Church. (AUS)
COMMENT 2:
Does
this mean that Matea Lincu, along with his supporters Tomek, Pentsa,
etc. won the court case and got the Sydney church? Just asking cause
you didn't put anything that I can find on this website to tell us.
(AUS)
OUR COMMENT: Nope,
no decision yet. Nothing new to report.
COMMENT
3:Don't Fret!
Psalm 37:1 A Psalm of David. Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
Psalm 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
Proverbs 24:19 Fret not thyself because of evil men, neither be thou envious at the wicked; (AUS)
Psalm 37:1 A Psalm of David. Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
Psalm 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
Proverbs 24:19 Fret not thyself because of evil men, neither be thou envious at the wicked; (AUS)
 Memories,
memories, sweet memories... Sydney, August 2013. Paul Pentsa and a
group of members (Lydia, Ljubica, Marica) of the Sydney congregation in
front of the Supreme Court of New South Wales. Marica told him: "Can't
you see what you are doing? You are spreading hatred." He did not say
anything.
|
 1 Dec 2013 - HAPPY BIRTHDAY |
We have officially started this website on 1 Dec 2012, so today we celebrate our website's first year of existence! Where's the cake? Oh, yes, here it is. Have a piece, it's yummy and gluten free. And save some for Paul and Janko. Now let's see some numbers. From 1st of December 2012 to 1st of December 2013 we've had 38,198 visits and 5,656 "unique visitors" i.e. people who visited the website at least once, i.e. different devices they used. An average visit lasted 3 minutes and 4 seconds, which means that people spent 1.952 hours reading our website! |
28 Nov 2013 - "It's all politics", sent by a reader
Dear website,
Everything that is now happening in Altona between the Slovaks and the Romanians is because Paul Pentsa wants to get rid of Janko and put his son-in-law Philip Ruzeu to be an elder. Paul Pentsa is also against Vladimir Papuga who was not obedient to Paul as Paul expected. This is all politics.
Everything that is now happening in Altona between the Slovaks and the Romanians is because Paul Pentsa wants to get rid of Janko and put his son-in-law Philip Ruzeu to be an elder. Paul Pentsa is also against Vladimir Papuga who was not obedient to Paul as Paul expected. This is all politics.
COMMENT 1:
As long as the new elder is not Romanian.
COMMENT 2:
The
brother to be appointed to be an elder, must not discriminate between
which language who speaks, must be fair/impartial, must be
honest/truthful, must be calm, must be able to talk to young and old,
must be "just", must not place his will above the Word of God, must be
very familiar with the Word of God, must treat everybody equally, must
do what is morally right, and when making judgments must do it in a way
that is reasonable and righteous and morally right, must obey the
Fellowship of Christ (the Church), must do justice to all. There should
be a decree (rule) for appointing a new elder, in that a new elder must
not be the "son," or "father" (or a near relative) of an existing
elder. We should not be setting up a dynasty.
COMMENT 3:
Comment 2 are you joking? Name me one elder that fits all those things anywhere in the world. Yes that is how it should be but never will. Those in that position want to be rulers and abusers NOT servants. Like back to Dave Nikolson, the West Akron elder. He was against fathers walking their daughters down the isle, but when it came time to marry his own daughter he did just that and that is now OK?? What more needs to be said, they are all crooked not just Paul Pentsa in Australia. (USA)
COMMENT 4:
To Comment 3 ...Brother Dave is doing a good job thank you. The Aussies need Brother Dave. Someone who's good, honest and not related with anyone. God bless you. (AUS)
You are correct Doug Savin did walk his daughter down the isle but so did Dave Nikolson. Maybe Dave learned it from Doug. You are spot on. Elders have one set of rules for their families and themselves and then another set of rules for the others.
In reply to comment 4, I ask the members of Columbia Station how good Dave is? (USA)
COMMENT 6:
Hahaha I am cracking up at the comment regarding Dave that he's "doing a good job, thank you." It is SO obvious that these comments come from the people who STAYED at Columbia Station. Nobody that left certainly will say that, and certainly nobody at the West Akron church will say that either. In fact, all of the above mentioned complain about him. As for walking down the aisle, yes, I believe I heard it's true. But he was against it. There was a lot of gossiping at the wedding regarding it. Its one set of rules for one, and another for your family. What a hypocrite. (USA)
COMMENT 7 (same reader as #6):
Wait... I just submitted a message, but I realized I missed something. The website states "Elders abuse because people allow themselves to be abused." What are you talking about?? If you (the website) actually believes this, why do you even have this website?? Why don't you stop yourselves from being abused then if you can?? Website... am I missing something?? Please clarify your thoughts. I'm quite confused. (USA)
To comment No.5 - That sounds so much like animal farm by George Orwell. (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
Comment 2 are you joking? Name me one elder that fits all those things anywhere in the world. Yes that is how it should be but never will. Those in that position want to be rulers and abusers NOT servants. Like back to Dave Nikolson, the West Akron elder. He was against fathers walking their daughters down the isle, but when it came time to marry his own daughter he did just that and that is now OK?? What more needs to be said, they are all crooked not just Paul Pentsa in Australia. (USA)
COMMENT 4:
To Comment 3 ...Brother Dave is doing a good job thank you. The Aussies need Brother Dave. Someone who's good, honest and not related with anyone. God bless you. (AUS)
OUR COMMENT:
Strict-not-strict... That is Paul and Janko's game. They are "strict"
when it suits them, and "liberal" otherwise. Don't play their game of
legalism and "rules". Rules are for fools, obviously, not for the
elders and their family members. And now Comment 3 mentioned
"walking down the isle"... not sure, but it seems to us it's Doug Savin
who
did that, not Dave Nikolson. Either way - the elders abuse people
because people allow themselves to be abused, that is all. Wake up and
stop being helpless like some little children.
COMMENT
5: You are correct Doug Savin did walk his daughter down the isle but so did Dave Nikolson. Maybe Dave learned it from Doug. You are spot on. Elders have one set of rules for their families and themselves and then another set of rules for the others.
In reply to comment 4, I ask the members of Columbia Station how good Dave is? (USA)
COMMENT 6:
Hahaha I am cracking up at the comment regarding Dave that he's "doing a good job, thank you." It is SO obvious that these comments come from the people who STAYED at Columbia Station. Nobody that left certainly will say that, and certainly nobody at the West Akron church will say that either. In fact, all of the above mentioned complain about him. As for walking down the aisle, yes, I believe I heard it's true. But he was against it. There was a lot of gossiping at the wedding regarding it. Its one set of rules for one, and another for your family. What a hypocrite. (USA)
COMMENT 7 (same reader as #6):
Wait... I just submitted a message, but I realized I missed something. The website states "Elders abuse because people allow themselves to be abused." What are you talking about?? If you (the website) actually believes this, why do you even have this website?? Why don't you stop yourselves from being abused then if you can?? Website... am I missing something?? Please clarify your thoughts. I'm quite confused. (USA)
OUR COMMENT - People
react to abuse in many different ways. Some of us are tired of turning
the other cheek, which obviously sends a wrong message to the abusers: I'M
FINE, ABUSE ME MORE.
We do not want to send this sort of message. The world will always
prosecute true Christians, but inside the Temple of God things must be
kept clean. The abusers will be thrown out, where they belong.
COMMENT
8: To comment No.5 - That sounds so much like animal farm by George Orwell. (AUS)
24 Nov 2013 - "We need both faith and works", sent by a reader
This is very
important. Are we saved by grace? Or by works?
We are not saved by our works! We are saved by grace, but we still "must" forsake sin and this world, and "Must do" Christian duties and good works, in order to show our faith in God, and to be justified before the Lord.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Rom 11:5,6 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Jas 2:14-19 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21-23 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
We ARE saved by the Grace, it is a gift. But we still MUST have good works in order to be justified by faith, because faith without works is dead faith.
COMMENT
1: We are not saved by our works! We are saved by grace, but we still "must" forsake sin and this world, and "Must do" Christian duties and good works, in order to show our faith in God, and to be justified before the Lord.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Rom 11:5,6 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Jas 2:14-19 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21-23 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
We ARE saved by the Grace, it is a gift. But we still MUST have good works in order to be justified by faith, because faith without works is dead faith.
We
"show" or "prove" our faith by our works, but we are not justified or
declared righteous by them. Justified can mean either to "render one
righteous" or to "show or exhibit one to be righteous."
23 Nov 2013 - Janko's criticism backfired
Melbourne
- The meeting held last evening in the Altona church did not end up
very well for Janko Tomek and Vlada Papuga. They called for a meeting
wanting to criticize the members, especially those younger ones, for
not attending the Wednesday and Saturday services, but have suffered a
very unpleasant counter strike. Many members stood up and talked
against Janko Tomek and his rule. Surprisingly, that came from those
people who used to be more or less loyal to him. They were complaining
about poor preaching, lack of love in the church and the tensions
between different nationalities. It seems that there is a rising feud
between the members of Slovakian and Romanian descent. There was no
mention of the church sale. The meeting had ended after two hours
without a conclusion. We have also heard that Janko Tomek and his
family will soon travel to Serbia, most likely to Padina, to spend
their Christmas holidays there. No one knows anything about the
possible purpose of the trip. Janko has already visited Padina in June
this year. Michael Stanjo's daughter will be baptised on 26th of
January next year. As for the wedding (Necakov-Kapitan) it will
definitely be held in Kitchener, Canada. |
COMMENT 1:
Leave him alone, he's doing his best to convince people to follow him.
18 Nov 2013 - "ACCA elders to take over", sent by a reader
Greetings,
I have been reading your site over the last few weeks. Have you considered gathering all the Australian members that do not agree with current leadership and speaking to the ACCA elders to take over in Australia? I would hate to see the split reach another country, but maybe that would help in this situation. I fully support both the ACCA and ACCN here in the US, and it pains me to hear of your struggles in Australia.
COMMENT 1:
To the November 18 comment, I almost laughed out loud. Believe me, those people that are suffering now in Australia are very likely to rather continue suffering than join the "sister church", a.k.a ACCA. Plus, the ACCA elders would never take over on Nazarene issues. It's impossible. At least that's what I think.
Let's face the facts. There honestly is no help for Australia. The membership will just continue declining until it fades away totally. We all know that that is the reality. At this point, EVEN IF a new elder, good elder, were to take over, the damage has been done and is irreversible. Those droves of young people will NEVER come back, very sadly.
And regarding the Silver Lining comment regarding why they didn't talk about the loss of 900 members (it's actually closer to 2000 members); that's a very ignorant comment. The Silver Lining is nothing like a newspaper and to compare that to losing Texas to Mexico - very ignorant like the other comment stated.
COMMENT 2:
No, I do not believe that the true faith will fade away, let's not be like prophet Elijah, in thinking that I only am left who believes. (1 Kings 19:14,18) All the while the earth exists, the Lord will always have some who follow him and believe in him.
COMMENT 3:
In reply to comment two... of course there will always be God's followers somewhere. But that does not mean that the ACCN church in Australia will always exist... because we know it won't.
I have been reading your site over the last few weeks. Have you considered gathering all the Australian members that do not agree with current leadership and speaking to the ACCA elders to take over in Australia? I would hate to see the split reach another country, but maybe that would help in this situation. I fully support both the ACCA and ACCN here in the US, and it pains me to hear of your struggles in Australia.
COMMENT 1:
To the November 18 comment, I almost laughed out loud. Believe me, those people that are suffering now in Australia are very likely to rather continue suffering than join the "sister church", a.k.a ACCA. Plus, the ACCA elders would never take over on Nazarene issues. It's impossible. At least that's what I think.
Let's face the facts. There honestly is no help for Australia. The membership will just continue declining until it fades away totally. We all know that that is the reality. At this point, EVEN IF a new elder, good elder, were to take over, the damage has been done and is irreversible. Those droves of young people will NEVER come back, very sadly.
And regarding the Silver Lining comment regarding why they didn't talk about the loss of 900 members (it's actually closer to 2000 members); that's a very ignorant comment. The Silver Lining is nothing like a newspaper and to compare that to losing Texas to Mexico - very ignorant like the other comment stated.
COMMENT 2:
No, I do not believe that the true faith will fade away, let's not be like prophet Elijah, in thinking that I only am left who believes. (1 Kings 19:14,18) All the while the earth exists, the Lord will always have some who follow him and believe in him.
COMMENT 3:
In reply to comment two... of course there will always be God's followers somewhere. But that does not mean that the ACCN church in Australia will always exist... because we know it won't.
17 Nov 2013 - "We are moving forward", sent by a reader
Although
this site is focused on your particular issues in Australia, after
reading the recent updates, I feel compelled to share a few thoughts
about the related organizations that have been mentioned.
Regarding the (a) contained in the 9 Nov post, I surmised when I read it that it was his shorthand for the ACCA, or Apostolic Christian Church of America.
Regarding the Silver Lining post in response to 9 Nov, as well as in response to 15 Nov, the loss of approximately 900 members has occurred over the course of around 15 months and has been discussed at great length among the members and elder brothers. Furthermore, I would not have expected to read about it in the Silver Lining, other than in the broad context of encouraging the members and believers to Godly behaviors and a sanctified life. In contrast to the two publications you referenced, the Silver Lining is not intended to sell newspapers or sharing the latest bad news from around the country. As the 15 Nov post indicated, we are moving forward. I am saddened at the hardness of heart, humanism, and independent spirit that have lead to so many wanting to take matters into their own hands to create this new church, and I pray that when they finally start focusing on their own problems, they are not further divided. We will welcome those back into our fellowship who realize the folly of following the fearful, whose fate is not inconsequential in the context of Rev 21:8. And furthermore, I would humbly suggest that the "who cares" attitudes you referenced would largely have been attributed to those who have formed the ACF split.
My understanding from their summer conference conclusions is that the ACF have chosen to use the ACCA Statement of Faith (http://www.apostolicchristian.org/faith_statement.php) as their doctrinal foundation, with the exception of not being under the doctrinal authority of the elder body. Rather, they wish to be "parallel" - like the ACCA, just not under the authority of the leadership. They would like to continue greeting ACCA members as Brothers and Sisters in Christ, just not listen to the same leadership. There are, indeed, differences among the congregations and membership of the ACCA, but the solution is not schism, particularly in light of I Cor 12 and our need for all the parts of the body. Most parents who have had children respond differently to their instructions will understand that, even in the face of clear direction, some children respond differently. Yet most parents would never disown the child but seek to restore and counsel them to obedience. The mindset of the ACF would be akin to disowning a child because he failed to take the garbage out, or because he got arrested for a DUI - basically, cut them off because they won't listen to you. There is no fear in love, but perfect love casteth out fear. We are called to love and to build, not to fear nor to divide.
Finally, the ACF has taken a position difficult to defend scripturally in their treatise from July 2012 (found here as Paper #2 - http://acelderletter.blogspot.com/2011/02/ac-elder-letter.html), in stating that "There are faults and shortcomings which are not sin." When "all righteousness is sin," this is a fundamental doctrinal difference from the ACCA that will have disastrous consequences. If you do nothing else, pray that they can see the danger of lessening the impact of any sin, which approaches a doctrine of eternal security from a completely different angle than the concerns they've expressed about discipline and restoration among the ACCA. They earnestly need our prayers as they move from the foundation of fear and emotion to build a body of sanctified believers, by God's grace (just as we all need the prayers of our fellow believers).
Regarding the (a) contained in the 9 Nov post, I surmised when I read it that it was his shorthand for the ACCA, or Apostolic Christian Church of America.
Regarding the Silver Lining post in response to 9 Nov, as well as in response to 15 Nov, the loss of approximately 900 members has occurred over the course of around 15 months and has been discussed at great length among the members and elder brothers. Furthermore, I would not have expected to read about it in the Silver Lining, other than in the broad context of encouraging the members and believers to Godly behaviors and a sanctified life. In contrast to the two publications you referenced, the Silver Lining is not intended to sell newspapers or sharing the latest bad news from around the country. As the 15 Nov post indicated, we are moving forward. I am saddened at the hardness of heart, humanism, and independent spirit that have lead to so many wanting to take matters into their own hands to create this new church, and I pray that when they finally start focusing on their own problems, they are not further divided. We will welcome those back into our fellowship who realize the folly of following the fearful, whose fate is not inconsequential in the context of Rev 21:8. And furthermore, I would humbly suggest that the "who cares" attitudes you referenced would largely have been attributed to those who have formed the ACF split.
My understanding from their summer conference conclusions is that the ACF have chosen to use the ACCA Statement of Faith (http://www.apostolicchristian.org/faith_statement.php) as their doctrinal foundation, with the exception of not being under the doctrinal authority of the elder body. Rather, they wish to be "parallel" - like the ACCA, just not under the authority of the leadership. They would like to continue greeting ACCA members as Brothers and Sisters in Christ, just not listen to the same leadership. There are, indeed, differences among the congregations and membership of the ACCA, but the solution is not schism, particularly in light of I Cor 12 and our need for all the parts of the body. Most parents who have had children respond differently to their instructions will understand that, even in the face of clear direction, some children respond differently. Yet most parents would never disown the child but seek to restore and counsel them to obedience. The mindset of the ACF would be akin to disowning a child because he failed to take the garbage out, or because he got arrested for a DUI - basically, cut them off because they won't listen to you. There is no fear in love, but perfect love casteth out fear. We are called to love and to build, not to fear nor to divide.
Finally, the ACF has taken a position difficult to defend scripturally in their treatise from July 2012 (found here as Paper #2 - http://acelderletter.blogspot.com/2011/02/ac-elder-letter.html), in stating that "There are faults and shortcomings which are not sin." When "all righteousness is sin," this is a fundamental doctrinal difference from the ACCA that will have disastrous consequences. If you do nothing else, pray that they can see the danger of lessening the impact of any sin, which approaches a doctrine of eternal security from a completely different angle than the concerns they've expressed about discipline and restoration among the ACCA. They earnestly need our prayers as they move from the foundation of fear and emotion to build a body of sanctified believers, by God's grace (just as we all need the prayers of our fellow believers).
16 Nov 2013 - UNEXPLAINABLE WEIRDNESS
A man
really has to have some
very weird ideas about parenting to put his own child on YouTube while
having epileptic seizures. Not just one video but four - and using his
full name and surname. This is pretty disturbing so better do not open
the links if you can't handle it.
YouTube1
YouTube2
YouTube3
YouTube4 |
Let
us hope and pray that the boy's father will understand what he
has
done and remove the videos from YouTube a.s.a.p. Or, maybe he thinks
it's all right and wants to keep them..?
COMMENT 1:
Philip Ruzeu is a sicko, how else can you explain what he did?
COMMENT 1:
Philip Ruzeu is a sicko, how else can you explain what he did?
Your comment?
15 Nov 2013 - "Stop posting ignorant information", sent by a reader
Regarding
your attack on the Silver Lining: If you are not a member of the ACCA,
you have no idea what has gone on behind the scenes, what has been
discussed at our conferences and in our individual congregations.
Believe it or not, it has been discussed at length, and most members of
the ACCA have moved on. We are not interested in ruminating the issue
or lamenting the loss of 900 people who obviously believe differently
and want nothing more to do with the ACCA. They judge and condemn those
who are saved by grace through faith. It is very possible to not
believe we are saved by our works (totally scriptural) and still
believe that we are called to live a fruitful, overcoming life. Just
because the October issue of the Silver Lining doesn't have a headline
that says "900 MEMBERS LOST" does not mean the issue is being ignored.
Please stop posting ignorant information. You are not displaying the
love of Christ.
Your comment?
November 15 comment. The ACCA has dealt with the ACFC and it's problems within the members of its body. Just like the Nazarean newsletter called the Messenger (similar to The Silver Lining) does not talk about its problems or specifically Australian problems; LIKEWISE, The Silver Lining (ACCA) does not talk about its problems with those who left. It is not the place to do so.
Your comment?
OUR COMMENT - If
Texas for example decides to leave the USA and join Mexico, would you
expect to find something about it in The New York Times or Washington
Post? Would you be surprised if they put a headline "WE LOST TEXAS", or
you think it would be more odd if they just turn the blind eye and say
nothing? And what would the common Americans say? "Who cares about
those redneck Texans, we have a nicer life without them." This is
pretty much what some of you ACCA guys say about your
ex-members.
COMMENT
1: November 15 comment. The ACCA has dealt with the ACFC and it's problems within the members of its body. Just like the Nazarean newsletter called the Messenger (similar to The Silver Lining) does not talk about its problems or specifically Australian problems; LIKEWISE, The Silver Lining (ACCA) does not talk about its problems with those who left. It is not the place to do so.
12 Nov 2013 - "To Paul Pentsa & Janko Tomek", sent by a reader
"Ye
hypocrites," He said, addressing the wily spies, "well did Esaias
prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto Me with their
mouth, and honoreth Me with their lips; but their heart is far from Me.
But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments
of men."
Who does our Saviour call a false shepherd?
Matthew 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Isaiah 9:16 The leaders of this people cause them err; and they that are led of them are destroyed
Isaiah 3:12-16 O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err and destroy the way of the paths
Malachi 2:8-9 Ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law: ye have corrupted the covenant
Matthew 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say; whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing
Matthew 5:33-37 Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths.
Luke 6:39 He spake a parables unto them, can the blind lead the blind? Shall they not both fall into the ditch?
Your comment?
Who does our Saviour call a false shepherd?
Matthew 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Isaiah 9:16 The leaders of this people cause them err; and they that are led of them are destroyed
Isaiah 3:12-16 O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err and destroy the way of the paths
Malachi 2:8-9 Ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law: ye have corrupted the covenant
Matthew 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say; whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing
Matthew 5:33-37 Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths.
Luke 6:39 He spake a parables unto them, can the blind lead the blind? Shall they not both fall into the ditch?
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Your comment?
COMMENT 1:
I cannot but feel sorry for Pentsa and Tomek!
COMMENT 2:
Jesus
has told us beware of wolves in sheep's clothing... They look like
Christians, they speak in Christ's name but they are false and their
false behaviour and teachings devastate the flock; how can we defend
ourselves against this secret threat? After all, these wolves at least
look from a distant like sheep. Jesus says to look closer and examine
the fruit of these so called sheep... you shall know them by their
fruits. Read the Bible every day and learn... pray always. You will
then know the wolves and their work.
Perhaps the next candidate should have no relation what so ever to anyone in Australia. That way it would finally be fair and a trustworthy neutral result.
COMMENT 4:
It's highly probable that they will install someone who is like them, in order to maintain what they have achieved to date. Nevertheless the Lord always has faithful believers who will do His will...
OUR COMMENT - Well,
here is an interesting question for all readers - Who is going to take
it over when Paul Pentsa and Janko Tomek finally step down or die? Who
are the likely candidates? Do you think they will try to
install
someone who is like them, and who could that be?
COMMENT
3: Perhaps the next candidate should have no relation what so ever to anyone in Australia. That way it would finally be fair and a trustworthy neutral result.
COMMENT 4:
It's highly probable that they will install someone who is like them, in order to maintain what they have achieved to date. Nevertheless the Lord always has faithful believers who will do His will...
9 Nov 2013 - "ACF based on the Scriptures", sent by a reader
The ACF did not aim to cause
division [in ACC of America]
but to preserve the faith, and if you care to read the points that ACF
testify, you will see (if you want to see) that the points that ACF
support "ARE" Biblical and based on the Holy Scriptures.
Also,
the ACF reasons and points "ARE" valid, and ACF has proved and
emphasized the "correct way to practice our faith", based on many years
of exactly such practices. The ACC of A has been infiltrated by false
brethren, preachers and apostles who have intentionally (and gradually)
over many decades altered the correct practices. (And these false
prophets have been sent inside by the a.) And it's those who are not
sleeping that can see what's happening.
Brethren, the Bible has not changed, why have elders of ACC of A altered and nullified the ordinances and statutes? Answer: So that they (a.) are in authority, rather that Christ. Read 2 Thess. 2:4
And should someone testify the truth or uphold and support justice (and uphold the correct ordinances and statutes) such a person is VERY quickly muddied by the elders.
Do they fear God at all? It does not appear so. Nor does it look like that they care at all for their own soul's salvation, it is therefore no surprise if they care not for other people's salvation.
Gal 6:7 - Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
There are going to be BIG surprises on Judgement Day! For sure.
Brethren, the Bible has not changed, why have elders of ACC of A altered and nullified the ordinances and statutes? Answer: So that they (a.) are in authority, rather that Christ. Read 2 Thess. 2:4
And should someone testify the truth or uphold and support justice (and uphold the correct ordinances and statutes) such a person is VERY quickly muddied by the elders.
Do they fear God at all? It does not appear so. Nor does it look like that they care at all for their own soul's salvation, it is therefore no surprise if they care not for other people's salvation.
Gal 6:7 - Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
There are going to be BIG surprises on Judgement Day! For sure.
Your comment?
COMMENT 1:
Dear
friend, a point of clarification: You have a couple notations of the
letter 'a' in your message. I'm referring to the following sentences:
"(And these false prophets have been sent inside by the a.)"
"So that they (a.) are in authority"
What does the 'a' mean?
"(And these false prophets have been sent inside by the a.)"
"So that they (a.) are in authority"
What does the 'a' mean?
OUR COMMENT - Well,
this is a good question. We don't know. Maybe "Adversary", i.e. Satan?
Let's see if the reader who sent the message will want to clarify this.
In any case, it is good to get a feedback from both sides involved in
the ACC of A split.
By the way, here is the front page of "The Silver Lining", the official bulletin of the ACC of America. October edition. Nice landscapes, neutral sermons, greetings, blessings. Not a single word about losing 900 members. Obviously, they are not brave enough to face their problems and talk openly about solutions. "Problems do not exist." It is just like reading any Russian newspapers from the Soviet era. All good. All la di da. All rosie posie. Not a single issue in the whole Soviet Union, nothing to talk about. Anyway, why to talk about problems and discourage someone? That is what our enemies want, right?
COMMENT
2: By the way, here is the front page of "The Silver Lining", the official bulletin of the ACC of America. October edition. Nice landscapes, neutral sermons, greetings, blessings. Not a single word about losing 900 members. Obviously, they are not brave enough to face their problems and talk openly about solutions. "Problems do not exist." It is just like reading any Russian newspapers from the Soviet era. All good. All la di da. All rosie posie. Not a single issue in the whole Soviet Union, nothing to talk about. Anyway, why to talk about problems and discourage someone? That is what our enemies want, right?
To whom it may
concern: "a" stands for "the authorities".
2Peter 2:1,2,3 ... ... there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, ... ... And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
1Cor. 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
If you are a true believer, I would like to mention to you, that it is not possible for these things to be prevented. What you CAN do (and should do) is "not agree" with the injustices, and "not agree" with the altering of Christ's ordinances and statutes, and "not agreeing" to the altering of the "correct Church practices", based on many years of exactly such practices.
In turn, when you voice out your support for the "correct" Church practices, you will be persecuted. And that is normal and to be expected, and such persecution is "evidence" to you that you are on the correct (straight and narrow way).
2Tim 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. Not "might", not "will sometimes", but "SHALL" suffer persecution.
Now therefore, if you accept to carry this cross, (to be persecuted) you then have the marks of a true Christian, and are on your way to eternal life. But (God forbid) that you choose Not to be persecuted but instead choose to follow the crowds/bulk, ... ... ... why would you expect to be accepted of the Lord.
Many are weak among you and many are sleeping.
This is not being "rebellious" towards the authorities, this is preserving the "Scriptural ordinances and statutes of Christ" and preserving the "correct way to practice our faith" and maintaining the "correct practices of the Church".
Keep your eyes open.
We all (everyone of us) will be required to give an account before the Lord for all what we have done and said, (nobody can be excused). And "but the elder said I could" will not pass on judgement day.
I fear God (not man.) Who do you fear?
COMMENT 3:
In response to Nov. 9 comment 2. You asked what do you fear? I fear the abuse that the Apostolic Faith church is causing to dear souls who are sucked in by there deception. Yes, problems exist and will continue to exist in all denominations. There is not nor ever will be a perfect church on this earth. The ACF church continues to solicite members from the ACCA. Why? If they are preserving the faith do they not have more than 900 members. The ACCA church has 12-13 thousand. The ACF church thinks that they are preserving the faith by there plain clothes. Long skirts. Coil buns. Pantyhose. Flat heeled shoes. They think by all these outward practices they will get to heavan while ignoring what Christ asks of us to do and that is to love one another. They are the most gossiping judgemental people. Many churches are finally feeling peace in their churches since the ACF supporters left. If preserving the faith is wearing pantyhose then does more have to be said of this group? Does anyone really believe that only 900 members out of 12,000 want to preserve the faith?
COMMENT 4:
To Nov. 9 comment No. 3: No offense, but, "to maintain the true faith" is not an attempt to deceive. And if you read the points that ACF have made you should be able to see that they are valid and Scriptural. According to the Bible we should not follow the fashion of this world. 1Tim 2:9,10 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shame facedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
I am no making this up, this is Scriptural.
Since we have spiritually left the world and sin; shall we again become similar to the world and return to sin? No!
Now in regards to gossiping, we do not at all approve gossiping, but you must differentiate between gossiping and objecting (voicing out objections) to the changes the elders are making in altering the Church practices, procedures, ordinances and statutes.
And you do not have a valid point when it comes to 900 or 12,000 figures, in Exodus 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment.
We must not follow the "larger number" simply for the sake of following the bulk. The bigger number are NOT necessarily correct (in the right) nor the smaller number. The "correct" are the ones that follow the Word of God. You surely do agree with this point.
2Peter 2:1,2,3 ... ... there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, ... ... And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
1Cor. 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
If you are a true believer, I would like to mention to you, that it is not possible for these things to be prevented. What you CAN do (and should do) is "not agree" with the injustices, and "not agree" with the altering of Christ's ordinances and statutes, and "not agreeing" to the altering of the "correct Church practices", based on many years of exactly such practices.
In turn, when you voice out your support for the "correct" Church practices, you will be persecuted. And that is normal and to be expected, and such persecution is "evidence" to you that you are on the correct (straight and narrow way).
2Tim 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. Not "might", not "will sometimes", but "SHALL" suffer persecution.
Now therefore, if you accept to carry this cross, (to be persecuted) you then have the marks of a true Christian, and are on your way to eternal life. But (God forbid) that you choose Not to be persecuted but instead choose to follow the crowds/bulk, ... ... ... why would you expect to be accepted of the Lord.
Many are weak among you and many are sleeping.
This is not being "rebellious" towards the authorities, this is preserving the "Scriptural ordinances and statutes of Christ" and preserving the "correct way to practice our faith" and maintaining the "correct practices of the Church".
Keep your eyes open.
We all (everyone of us) will be required to give an account before the Lord for all what we have done and said, (nobody can be excused). And "but the elder said I could" will not pass on judgement day.
I fear God (not man.) Who do you fear?
COMMENT 3:
In response to Nov. 9 comment 2. You asked what do you fear? I fear the abuse that the Apostolic Faith church is causing to dear souls who are sucked in by there deception. Yes, problems exist and will continue to exist in all denominations. There is not nor ever will be a perfect church on this earth. The ACF church continues to solicite members from the ACCA. Why? If they are preserving the faith do they not have more than 900 members. The ACCA church has 12-13 thousand. The ACF church thinks that they are preserving the faith by there plain clothes. Long skirts. Coil buns. Pantyhose. Flat heeled shoes. They think by all these outward practices they will get to heavan while ignoring what Christ asks of us to do and that is to love one another. They are the most gossiping judgemental people. Many churches are finally feeling peace in their churches since the ACF supporters left. If preserving the faith is wearing pantyhose then does more have to be said of this group? Does anyone really believe that only 900 members out of 12,000 want to preserve the faith?
COMMENT 4:
To Nov. 9 comment No. 3: No offense, but, "to maintain the true faith" is not an attempt to deceive. And if you read the points that ACF have made you should be able to see that they are valid and Scriptural. According to the Bible we should not follow the fashion of this world. 1Tim 2:9,10 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shame facedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
I am no making this up, this is Scriptural.
Since we have spiritually left the world and sin; shall we again become similar to the world and return to sin? No!
Now in regards to gossiping, we do not at all approve gossiping, but you must differentiate between gossiping and objecting (voicing out objections) to the changes the elders are making in altering the Church practices, procedures, ordinances and statutes.
And you do not have a valid point when it comes to 900 or 12,000 figures, in Exodus 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment.
We must not follow the "larger number" simply for the sake of following the bulk. The bigger number are NOT necessarily correct (in the right) nor the smaller number. The "correct" are the ones that follow the Word of God. You surely do agree with this point.
OUR COMMENT:
You mentioned the word "shamefacedness"
= feeling embarrassed about
yourself. This is pretty interesting - why would a Christian woman have
to feel ashamed or embarrassed? If so, then her husband should feel the
same about himself; they are united, one body. This is one of those
questionable translations. Is it possible to find a less derogatory
word? For example, how about "temperance"?
COMMENT 5:
Hi again,
To your comment regarding the word "shamefacedness", I simply quoted the verse 1Tim 2:9,10 which mentions the word, "shamefacedness", which according to:
- The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 1913 (Webster) states that it means = "Modest"
- The Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia states that it means = excess of modesty
- thefreedictionary.com states that it means = extremely modest
- Webster 1828 Dictionary states that it means = excess of modesty
The Bible is very fair, very just, very sharp and it leads people to eternal life, and I like it. Yet I fully admit that some parts of the Good Book is hard to understand, I myself am constantly learning.
I quoted that verse from the most accurate know English Bible.
I suggest that we accept the Word of God as it is written. We should alter our life and align our everyday living, to the Bible. We cannot alter the Word of God. Please, let us all put God's Word in the number One spot. We will then be very safe.
There are no errors in the Word of God.
COMMENT 6:
"Wherefore if you be dead with Christ from the rudiments of this world, why, as though, living in the world, are you subject to ordinances (Touch not; taste not; handle not; which are all to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will-worship and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh"
Colossians 2:20
Are you putting your faith in Christ or in the church and the traditions and commandments of men? Yes, many of the church's long standing practices and traditions are based on scripture. Others, even those that "have proven good", have very little scriptural basis. But for years before the split, I saw our traditions and heritage elevated to the point of worshipping them.
COMMENT 7:
The Greek word for shamefacedness: Aidos - a sense of shame or honour, modesty, bashfulness, reverence, regard for others, respect. Believe it or not this goes far beyond outward appearance and is more about the attitude of the heart. Yes, I did just reference the Greek. What would possibly be wrong with going back to the original text?
To your comment regarding the word "shamefacedness", I simply quoted the verse 1Tim 2:9,10 which mentions the word, "shamefacedness", which according to:
- The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 1913 (Webster) states that it means = "Modest"
- The Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia states that it means = excess of modesty
- thefreedictionary.com states that it means = extremely modest
- Webster 1828 Dictionary states that it means = excess of modesty
The Bible is very fair, very just, very sharp and it leads people to eternal life, and I like it. Yet I fully admit that some parts of the Good Book is hard to understand, I myself am constantly learning.
I quoted that verse from the most accurate know English Bible.
I suggest that we accept the Word of God as it is written. We should alter our life and align our everyday living, to the Bible. We cannot alter the Word of God. Please, let us all put God's Word in the number One spot. We will then be very safe.
There are no errors in the Word of God.
COMMENT 6:
"Wherefore if you be dead with Christ from the rudiments of this world, why, as though, living in the world, are you subject to ordinances (Touch not; taste not; handle not; which are all to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will-worship and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh"
Colossians 2:20
Are you putting your faith in Christ or in the church and the traditions and commandments of men? Yes, many of the church's long standing practices and traditions are based on scripture. Others, even those that "have proven good", have very little scriptural basis. But for years before the split, I saw our traditions and heritage elevated to the point of worshipping them.
COMMENT 7:
The Greek word for shamefacedness: Aidos - a sense of shame or honour, modesty, bashfulness, reverence, regard for others, respect. Believe it or not this goes far beyond outward appearance and is more about the attitude of the heart. Yes, I did just reference the Greek. What would possibly be wrong with going back to the original text?
8 Nov 2013 - "Why are you hiding?", sent by a reader
I
don't know why are you hiding this site when the judge for the case of
the Sydney church is looking for all information about Apostolic
Christian church to see where Paul Pentsa has all the power or greater
power than the Judge himself?
OUR COMMENT:
The judge will make his decision based on the submitted affidavits and
the hearing held in August. Not based on any website on the Internet.
The judge has demonstrated a lack of interest for our website, as well
as for the secret tape recordings, although Matea's barrister was
stubbornly trying to bring the website back to his attention. Matea's
barrister even subpoenaed iiNet, our hosting provider, so they had to
send
the full printout of the website and the details related
to who
are the owners. Earlier in August, one week before the hearing, we have
contacted iiNet and asked them to confirm what we had heard about iiNet
being subpoenaed. Here is that correspondence, with personal
names removed:
| Fri, Aug 16, 2013 Hello iiNet, It came to our attention that the Supreme Court of NSW has called you (i.e. subpoenaed you) to stand as witness in a court case related to the church property in Sydney (Arncliffe). Allegedly, the plaintiffs see a connection between the church property dispute and this website. Is this information true? Kind Regards, ACCN Australia Website Fri, Aug 16, 2013 Hello ACCN Australia Website, After speaking with our legal team, I can confirm that iiNet did receive a subpoena, and the documents were produced and submitted to the courts as requested. If you have any other queries feel free reply to this email, but please be aware that we may be limited in what information we are able to provide and you may need to seek independent legal advice from this point if you have other queries. Regards XXXXXXX Customer Service Representative iiNet Hosting Mon, Aug 19, 2013 Hi XXXXXXX, Thank you for response! This is all very sad. The same people who are suing XXXXXXX also want to close this website down, using the court in Sydney as a way to create pressure. I have a question for you - do I have your permission to post your answer to the website? We want people to see what is going on and what methods are being used against the website. Thank you in advance. It is important to show everyone that this is Australia and the freedom of speech is guaranteed. Kind Regards, ACCN Australia Website Tue, Aug 20, 2013 Hi ACCN Australia Website, You can certainly post the answer to your website. I would suggest review our privacy policy before doing so, as while we will hold the communication between us confidential we will no longer be able to guarantee what will be done with the information if you choose to display it on your site, so the protections our privacy policy affords may be lessened. (Essentially, we won't change what we do with the email, but we have no idea what other people might do with it or have any way to stop them once you display it on your site.) If you do wish to review the policy it can be found on our website here. www.iinet.net.au/about/legal/privacy.html Lastly, I would really appreciate it if you don't display my full name and email address on your site. Having an email address on a public website like that is a good way to vastly increase the amount of spam sent to it, and while I find some of the spam I get hilarious clearing it out it takes up far too much of my mornings as it is. That said, feel free to get in touch if you have any other questions, that's my work email and I check it fairly regularly. Kind Regards XXXXXXX Customer Service Representative iiNet Hosting |
Your comment?
6 Nov 2013 - Janko wants $5,000 from each family?
Your
assistance is required in this matter, dear readers. Especially you in
Melbourne. We have heard that Janko Tomek is collecting (or extorting?)
money from the elderly members in Altona 1, allegedly to build a new
church. Each household has to pay 5,000 (Five Thousand) Australian
dollars. We need your help to establish what is going on. Is this true?
How many people gave money? Who are they? How many were asked? Is it
true that Janko only wants cash and does not provide any receipts?
Thank you in advance.
Your comment?
5 November
2013 - "The true shepherd protects", sent by a readerYour comment?
Paul
Pentsa, Janko Tomek - These are the FALSE Ministers and Elders which
are exercising their authority and dominion over the Christians.
THIEVES are robbing her, the (Church) covetous is ripe with the members
downunder. 2 Timothy 3:1-13, King James Version (KJV):
3 This
know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
THIS
MESSAGE IS CLEAR, IF THERE IS A COMMAND TO BE OBEYED FROM THE HOLY
BIBLE, WE OBEY IT. IF THERE IS A WARNING TO BE FOLLOWED, WE HEED IT.
ONLY WOLVES AND GOATS SKIP THIS STEP. THE TRUE SHEPHERD PROTECTS THE
SHEEP AND IF ONE GETS A LITTLE LOST HE BRINGS THEM HOME. THE WOLVES
DRAWS ALL AWAY FROM THE TRUTH AND EVERYONE SCATTERS. THE WOLFE IS
DESCIBED AS... VERSE 5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the
power thereof: from such turn away. A TRUE SHEPHERD IS MEEK, LOWLY,
HUMBLE, FRIENDLY, LOVING, GENTLE, PATIENT AND FULL OF GOOD FRUITS. YOU
WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. GOD BLESS AND KEEP US AMEN.
Your comment?
4 Nov
2013 - SCRUPULOSITY: How much is too much?
Your comment?
From
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
"Scrupulosity is a psychological disorder characterized by pathological
guilt about moral or religious issues. It is personally distressing,
objectively dysfunctional, and often accompanied by significant
impairment in social functioning".... "In the 19th century, Christian
spiritual advisors in the U.S. and Britain became worried that
scrupulosity was not only a sin in itself, but also led to sin, by
attacking the virtues of faith, hope, and charity."
From Christianity Today: "For the believer, an obsession with moral purity can stifle fruitful relationships with other Christians, and perhaps ironically, with the Lord himself. Instead of leading a believer to a deeper trust in God's mercy on account of their sins - a trust that is meant to bring "peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" - scrupulosity focuses the person back on the efforts of him or herself, which usually leads to excessive guilt and despair."
Your comment?
From Christianity Today: "For the believer, an obsession with moral purity can stifle fruitful relationships with other Christians, and perhaps ironically, with the Lord himself. Instead of leading a believer to a deeper trust in God's mercy on account of their sins - a trust that is meant to bring "peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" - scrupulosity focuses the person back on the efforts of him or herself, which usually leads to excessive guilt and despair."
|
Excessive
scrupulosity is both the creator and sustainer of legalistic morality;
legalistic morality is both the creator and sustainer of excessive
scrupulosity.
(James M. Gustafson) |
Your comment?
2 Nov 2013 - New Paul Pentsa's lies
There are some
rumours going around that Paul Pentsa had to come
to Sydney and testify in court. That is a lie. And it's not too hard to
see who's spreading such rumours. The truth is, the
defendants have not
requested his presence, actually, they were quite surprised to see him
in Sydney that Monday morning when the hearing started (26 August
2013). The bets were that he won't dare to come. But he did come. Why?
Probably because he felt that Matea and Kovacevic would blow it without
him. Those two are "dumb" and he is, as we all know, "smart". But at
the end they are all very dumb. Vast monies were spent and our faith's
name is in the mud - with what benefit? Pentsa and Matea will lose the
case and be forced to pay over 100,000 Australian dollars of court
expenses to the defendants. Poor Matea, he may lose his house. Poor
Paul, he may lose one of his ten or so houses. Or, they can organize a
collection. Let's do the math. If we have 200 members under Paul
Pentsa's control, that is $500 per member. Too much? Well, what if they
take a bank loan and then pay it bit by bit? That would be, let's say,
12 "easy" monthly payments of around 40 bucks. See? All good!Your comment?
COMMENT 1:
200
members... you got to be joking, Paul and Janko are lucky to have 40-50
members who support them Australia-wide. Now do the math.
OUR COMMENT - Yes,
but haven't you ever heard of an "optimistic scenario"?
:)
COMMENT 2:
Now
hold on a minute. Most of us were totally against them... we pay
nothing and they even had the nerve to try sell Melbourne Church. 100
thousand would have done a good renovation.
OUR COMMENT - But
that way they would not be able to get rid of the Altona 2 group. And
that is the whole point of selling the church building.
COMMENT 3:
Poor Matea doesn't see that he is being used. Selfish Paul P. will not help Matea financially if he loses his house, yet Paul will still survive with his other properties. Hmmm maybe Matea will be begging Ljubica for a couch to sleep on in her beautiful apartment.
Poor Matea doesn't see that he is being used. Selfish Paul P. will not help Matea financially if he loses his house, yet Paul will still survive with his other properties. Hmmm maybe Matea will be begging Ljubica for a couch to sleep on in her beautiful apartment.
28 Oct 2013 - Contact Form with PREVIEW
Our messaging system has been
improved
and is ready for testing. Have a look and send us your greetings! You
will notice that we now have the Preview mode, which you can use as
many times as you want, prior to sending your message. This new feature
will enable you to see your message in exactly the same format as it
will be when posted on our website's main page. Your opinions and
suggestions are welcome.
Don't forget the main thing - this website is your chance to be heard. Nobody can silence you here.
Your comment?
Don't forget the main thing - this website is your chance to be heard. Nobody can silence you here.
Your comment?
COMMENT 1:
Is this page supposed to be
open?
When I type in http://www.accn-australia.com/, it says that the site is temporarily closed.
But when I type in http://www.accn-australia.com/Page1.html, then I can see the site once more. Is this how it's supposed to be?
When I type in http://www.accn-australia.com/, it says that the site is temporarily closed.
But when I type in http://www.accn-australia.com/Page1.html, then I can see the site once more. Is this how it's supposed to be?
OUR COMMENT - You
are correct. The website is temporarily hidden till the Supreme
Court in Sydney finishes its work. We are using this hiatus to tidy it
up and introduce some minor improvements (one of them being the new
Contact Form). We
are also keeping with the updates. Our website will soon be fully open
and is here to stay - indefinitely.
22 Oct 2013 - CONGRATULATIONS
We have
something nice to share
with you: Sister Caroline Kapitan from Altona 1, Melbourne, will marry
Brother Steve Necakov from Kitchener, Canada. This was announced last
Sunday (20 October). The couple will most likely live in Canada. They
told Vlada "Ljubazni" Papuga about their decision, which made Janko
Tomek upset, as he still thinks everyone should first come to him.
Another thing - although the bridegroom is currently in Australia, the
wedding will be held overseas. It seems like the Nazarenes in Australia
are becoming increasingly hesitant to approach Paul Pentsa &
Janko
Tomek and use their services.
15 Oct 2013 - SNAP Meeting in Texas
SNAP Members and Supporters: Just a reminder of our upcoming meeting and please note the correct email for Erin is SNAPerin@snapnetwork.org As Barbara Dorris and Lisa Kendzoir recently shared, I have decided to lead a SNAP group for men and women abused by ministers, priests, rabbis, other clergy or religious leaders. We will meet the 3rd Saturday of each month at 10 a.m. starting Saturday, October 19, and we look forward to supporting old and new members. The meeting will be centrally located, allowing us to connect with survivors near downtown Dallas and south of the Trinity River. Please know that SNAP groups are designed to support survivors that were abused as children or adults. Despite the season of your abuse, the effects can be devastating. Local SNAP group meetings provide an opportunity to connect with other survivors and experience healing. Thank you for your support. Next Meeting For location or questions, contact me at 469-387-9434 or snaperin@snapnetwork.org. Barbara Dorrishttp://www.snapnetwork.org/ |
14 October 2013 - "Founded in darkness", sent by a reader
Peter
Petrovic is a hypocrite joining the ACF church. His wife and his
daughters are very worldly and after the most worldly fashions. That is
not what the ACF church stands for. They mock and put others down. That
is not the ACF way nor the biblical way. The only reason Peter left is
because he was not respected anymore by the Elder body for being a flip
flop. Pride stood in the way of them staying with the ACCA. He is also
the master mind of supporting the San Diego elders of accepting and
baptizing the Hungarian illegals that have flooded the church. As it
stands, one illegal converted member sits in jail for a month now. Was
caught through a traffic ticket. Maybe they should put the elders in
jail for facilitating these illegals.
The whole movement of the sister church's' split has been founded in darkness. For many years we knew there were operatives working "underground" spreading information, meeting in secret places. The thing is, we knew it was happening and were just waiting for the split. These people are the most unloving, self righteous, judgmental people around. That is just a fact. It's just a matter of time that they split among themselves as they have not been brought together by a unity of beliefs, but each have fled for their own made up self righteousness and beliefs. Peter Petrovic left a good sound church and now gathers in houses with his daughters, and his father in law. Pride shows itself in many ways.
The whole movement of the sister church's' split has been founded in darkness. For many years we knew there were operatives working "underground" spreading information, meeting in secret places. The thing is, we knew it was happening and were just waiting for the split. These people are the most unloving, self righteous, judgmental people around. That is just a fact. It's just a matter of time that they split among themselves as they have not been brought together by a unity of beliefs, but each have fled for their own made up self righteousness and beliefs. Peter Petrovic left a good sound church and now gathers in houses with his daughters, and his father in law. Pride shows itself in many ways.
28 Sep 2013 - "A Split in ACC of America", sent by a reader
So I
can't help but wonder if this contact form still works, even though the
main page is shut down. I was able to back to my history and find all
of the old pages. I'm assuming the court ordered the website
also
to be shut down, but it would be nice to have some clarity on that
point.
Two other things, and the first of these goes a VERY long ways back in the history of your website.
1) Peter Petrovic is no longer in the ACC of A. This summer, he left it to join the ACF, Apostolic Christian Faith (yes, brilliant name, isn't it...), which is otherwise known as the "Preservation Effort". By my best estimation, this schism has taken somewhere around 900 people away from the ACC membership, which was around 12,000 prior to the split. The split has been in the works for several years, by some operating in darkness to bring about something they try to claim was inevitable. But it really only came into the light in July of 2012, starting in Lester, IA, and Lamar, MO, and followed very soon by Morris, MN, which was really the cauldron that started it all on March 18, 2012, when the elder there made a distinct statement that he was no longer going to submit to the counsel of elders.
2) If you care for more information on what the ACF is about, including several supporting documents, go to http://acelderletter.blogspot.com/. Of the (5) elders named in Paper #1, three of them have left with the split. Brothers Dave Graf and Wayne Grimm remain steadfast with our brethren in the ACC of A, most of whom realize the church is the Lord's to preserve, as a haven for the faithful whom He raises up, by His grace and mercy.
May God grant us all grace to overcome, and may His name be glorified in all things....
...a US reader
2 Sep 2013 - We are temporarily closed
Now that the hearing in Sydney has been finished, it is up the judge to come with a judgement and decision. To support this process and due to respect to the legal authorities, we have decided to temporarily hide our website. The notification on our front page says:
Two other things, and the first of these goes a VERY long ways back in the history of your website.
1) Peter Petrovic is no longer in the ACC of A. This summer, he left it to join the ACF, Apostolic Christian Faith (yes, brilliant name, isn't it...), which is otherwise known as the "Preservation Effort". By my best estimation, this schism has taken somewhere around 900 people away from the ACC membership, which was around 12,000 prior to the split. The split has been in the works for several years, by some operating in darkness to bring about something they try to claim was inevitable. But it really only came into the light in July of 2012, starting in Lester, IA, and Lamar, MO, and followed very soon by Morris, MN, which was really the cauldron that started it all on March 18, 2012, when the elder there made a distinct statement that he was no longer going to submit to the counsel of elders.
2) If you care for more information on what the ACF is about, including several supporting documents, go to http://acelderletter.blogspot.com/. Of the (5) elders named in Paper #1, three of them have left with the split. Brothers Dave Graf and Wayne Grimm remain steadfast with our brethren in the ACC of A, most of whom realize the church is the Lord's to preserve, as a haven for the faithful whom He raises up, by His grace and mercy.
May God grant us all grace to overcome, and may His name be glorified in all things....
...a US reader
2 Sep 2013 - We are temporarily closed
Now that the hearing in Sydney has been finished, it is up the judge to come with a judgement and decision. To support this process and due to respect to the legal authorities, we have decided to temporarily hide our website. The notification on our front page says:
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