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OUR COMMENT: So let's check our weirdometer. NO WAY, it says. Whoa, that's in the red zone! Not good, Vlado, not good. You caused some serious squabbling. For example, Andrew and John Ruzeu accused you and Janko Tomek of behaving "like the Pharisees". And there was also a lot of discussion who wore what and when. What really puzzles normal people in all this matter is that someone who prosecutes other church members, takes them to court trying to steal their property, all that with heaps of lying, is allowed to preach, pray and baptise, whereas someone in short sleeves is not. Huh? Weird!

COMMENT 1:
   
One more thing, Janko Tomek didn’t stay for singing after their little talk. He was too worked up and had no peace in himself. He was fuming that he had no real Biblical answer about this brand new rule of short sleeves. Afraid of more brothers waiting in line to talk to him and Vlado after singing, he did the only thing he knew, run home and hide his face from more shame. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 2:
   
Another rule Janko made, a while back, was that anyone who visits the Sister churches will not be allowed to become preachers in Altona. But how ironic, when anyone comes to visit Altona from the Sister church, they are encouraged to take prayers. Who knows, maybe we can trick the Sister church into thinking we love them so that they can donate lots and lots of money for the new church building. Ah-ma! What we really love is their money, money, money. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 3:
   
There is something wrong here and even sad, when a grown man is not allowed to dress himself by choosing his own attire and dressing responsibly. Personal boundaries need to be respected and this is one of those very basic ones. And surely everyone is aware that the weather in Melbourne has been terribly hot in recent weeks. Short sleeves are sensible. Why would a Christian be obsessed with what the next person is wearing? (AUS)
 
COMMENT 4:
   
Janko Tomek is trying very slowly to change the Altona church to be more like the Padina church. He first tells Vlado to tell the church about long sleeve shirts & then next they will probably stand up & say every man must wear a tie (even though Janko Tomek doesn't wear a tie on Sundays, very rarely he does). He wants to control the church like it's HIS church & he is in power. He is NOT in charge. The church is the mother & he is a servant of the church as it says in the Bible. It has been extremely hot in Melbourne the last few weeks & if they want the men to wear long sleeves then they should take off the shields covering the air conditionings so the church can get really cool and if people have a problem with it, then they should bring a shawl or jacket. Make it cool in church, not sweating to pass out. We go to church to, praise God not to go & only feel like fainting & sweating in our nice clothes. I'm surprised this is an issue to them as most of the year is cool & all the men wear long sleeves anyway. It's obvious the leadership have no tolerance to anyone else except to themselves, their families & to their friends that support them not matter what sin they do. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 5:
   
Amen to comment 4. (AUS)

COMMENT 6:
   
I don't know what's going on?!! What happened to the leaders of the church asking the church first about these topics and letting the church decide rather than making decisions on their own and telling the church that's happening and that's final. It's only making more and more people being aware of the leaders corruption and showing everyone that they need to have power in the church. Not happening. These are truly the last days as it states in the Bible. It's very sad to see that they can't strive to be more like Jesus as Jesus would never do this. Jesus came not to invade the world but with open arms with his love to follow him to be saved, but at Altona, Janko offers rules and division and if the rules are broken, he will strike in an unchristian way. I think we all need to pray for Janko and the leaders and we must show them and counsel them that they need a lot of help serving the church as they are having much trouble. The problem is we know they are not humble to admit it or even listen to anyone's opinion and never ask for help. They must realize that they must humble themselves first before anything is going to become easier and slightly better. We must pray for everyone as Christ would want us too as no one is perfect but no one should be in denial and think they are. (AUS) 
 
COMMENT 7:
   
I also say Amen to Comment 4. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 8:
   
Janko Tomek is like a leader of the Pharisees he gets Vlado Papuga to do his dirty work. Janko does not practice what he preaches but makes all these new laws that the Bible does not teach. The clothes on Janko Tomek's back won't save him, but what is in his Heart. Pharisees broke the meaning of the law, which is "LOVE". The Pharisees are Doomed! (AUS)
 
COMMENT 9:
   
Padina won't happen. No way, Janko. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 10:
   
We all know and can see Janko Tomek is making the young deacon Vlado Papuga of the Altona 1 congregation do his dirty work and stand up in church and say everything that Janko wants to say instead he gives it to Vlado to say it. Therefore, when people complain, Janko says "I didn't say it, Vlado did". That's how Janko works for many, many years already and there are many people in the church who had been victims of Janko's game and that is why we all see what's happening except for Janko's supporters. Janko wants Vlado to say and does everything he wants so people in the church go against Vlado too. The way people in the church see it is that Janko is thinking, if he is going down from his position than so is Vlado. There is still much hope for Vlado if Janko is taken down from assistant elder. Janko didn't get the vote a couple of times already and everyone is questioning why is he still a deacon. Vlado would do things more peacefully if Janko wasn't there. I wonder what the Padina church would think of Janko if they REALLY knew the whole TRUTH about him and what he has been doing. I'm sure if he was a member in the Padina church doing everything that he has done here, he would definitely be disciplined for his actions against the Word of God. (AUS)
   

As a Christian of another denomination I am pained to see the public attacks and "airing of dirty linen" in this public forum. When brothers sin this must be addressed, and certain parts may need to be shared with the flock. Obviously a split has occurred and emotions are running high. It seems clear that some illegal/unethical/immoral behaviour by elders may have occurred.

Those people must be called to account by the civil and religious authorities, and religious authorities may need to ban such persons from fellowship and warn others against associating with them. That is Scriptual and right and proper.

Using public forums such as this to carry out slanderous attacks (which may or may not be true) is disappointing. What would Jesus have done?

May God bless you all, heal your hurts, and draw you closer and stronger in true Christian fellowship. Amen. (AUS)
 

Hello website! Many of Australian members are not quite satisfied with the preaching in our churches. It's not a secret. Sundays often leave them hungry for spiritual food, which they seek somewhere else. You know how we say - we don't go to other churches. And we don't, but thanks to today's technology there's heaps of stuff on the Internet which can be read or watched. Lots of stuff on YouTube, just an example. You don't need to leave your home and truly you don't attend other churches and mix with other Christians. Or maybe we fool ourselves? What do you think about all this, should Nazarenes be allowed to listen to preachings on TV and the Internet?

It should not be allowed for they are all false religions. Many call him Lord, Lord in the last days. Nazarenes should not even have TV or Internet. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 2:
   
I find it strange that whoever wrote comment 1 and said that Nazarenes should not have TV or internet is writing on here, which hello, you need to have "Internet" to get on this site. Very contradictory to themselves. I mean if you don't have Internet, why are you on this site? (AUS)

COMMENT 3:
   
To comment 1: you are a hypocrite. There is temptation all around you just have to resist the Devil and he will flee. There are horrible places in the city where we work but we don't stop going to work, we as Christians don't even think twice about those things. I think it comes down to discerning with the Holy Spirit what we watch and say and do. Love the Lord God with all your heart mind soul and strength and love your neighbour as yourself. (AUS)

COMMENT 4 (same as 1):
   
We know that many Nazarene people have changed for the worse. Young ones mostly, worldly lifestyle. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 5:
   
Let's start with dress code "Apostolic Christian Church Nazarene". The dress code must be strict: No sleeves above your elbows, high necks, nylons and high heels, no cutting of women's hair, etc.; Suits for men. Certainly NO pants on women, no jeans on men, etc. Although they have relaxed a bit now (we haven't gone there for over 30 years), there is still a high expectation for modesty, cleanliness, and "appropriateness". The premise was basically, that when you are going to church, you are going to God's house and we would always want to dress the best possible to show reverence and respect. For example, if we were going to have a personal visit with the Queen of England, we would probably wear something other than jeans and t-shirts. (AUS)

COMMENT 6:
   
Comment 5, it's not very good for you to compare God to the Queen. If dress code was one of the main reasons people were saved & went to Heaven, then the Muslims would be first to go to Heaven but they are not as it has nothing to with salvation. We must dress modestly & if you think you should be dressed like that, then by all means, dress yourself & your wife or husband like that too.  Don't hide behind the Internet, come out & show that you & your household are dressed like that. It is up to everyone according to their faith. We must dress modestly but not to your standards. (AUS)

Hey Mum, have you heard what's new in Altona 1...?

Is it a sin to be rich? Look at great men in the Bible, Abraham and Job, they were rich and faithful. (AUS)

It's not a sin to be rich but it's harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God as it states in the New Testament. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 2:
   
While wealth itself is not condemned in the Bible, the love of money is. The Bible writer Paul said: "The love of money is the root to all sort's injurious things." 1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Covetous is sin. It leads to stealing, defrauding, lying, conning and so on.
People who love money will be pushed on evil works to get more, those that are such, give Satan the opportunity of tempting them, leading them to do dishonest means, and other bad practice's, to add to their gains. The love of money can lead one to commit greater sins against his fellow man.
Jesus said no man can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and hate the other. You cannot serve God and money. Jesus tells us to "lay up our treasures in heaven".
Jesus likens the love of money to idolatry. Wickedness is caused by people loving money, not by money itself. (AUS)
 
OUR COMMENT: Money and faith? Like oil and water? If you go back to the last page of our website and find the note from December 2012, you will see that we posted a link to The Windsor Star's article on Steven Sulja's "business" and the Nazarene church in Detroit he leads together with his father-in-law. It says: Steven Sulja and his partners conned investors out of $5.6 million. This may serve as an illustration for the topic - not all wealthy people are like Job and Abraham!
Link: http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2012/12/07/stock-fraudster-living-well/ 
   

Steven Sulja leaves The Apostolic Christian Church Nazarean in Detroit, MI. Sept. 16, 2012.

Steven Sulja, his wife and two kids are living in this upscale home on Brookway Drive in Lyon Township, Michigan. John Djemrovski, Sun, Nov. 18, 2012, at the Apostolic Christian Church Nazarean in Detroit, is the father-in-law of Steven Sulja. The Apostolic Christian Church Nazarean in Detroit, MI. The church table.

COMMENT 2 is 100% SPOT ON. Those who are pious, who wish to be praised and considered as honest and upright people, because they have not broken any of the outward commandments. I see covetousness in the quarrelling and wrangling in court over inheritances and real estate. He sees covetousness in financiering practiced in a manner to obtain houses and MONEYS. And yet we pretend to be godly, know how to adorn ourselves most finely and conceal our rascality, 1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. This is Spiritual and Mental Abuse in Apostolic Christian Church Nazarene in Australia. (AUS)

I cannot believe what I have just read about Steven Sulja... this is terrible! There are so much of this happening even in our churches; the love of money is the root to all evil. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 6:
   
Steven Sulja is not the fraudster. He has his name on his company but he is not the one that committed this fraud. Unfair to be fasely portraid for a conman/known fraudster to have it look like Steve when he has been defrauded himself. False information. (AUS)

COMMENT 7:
   
Just a quick response on this, as it's not my intention to debate. You believe everything that the media writes? You believe reporters that would LOVE to dirty the name of Christians and find out as much of anything that can to discredit even if they don't actually have the truth? Just look at some articles written in the Windsor newspaper. The title will state stock fraudster living a good life, yet in the same article it states as fact -- Sulja was charged with NOTHING. Also stated he was not pursued by the OSC and that the Sulja's cooperated fully with investigators, years ago and still not charged with anything.

So if considered such a fraudster of millions, being the CEO of the company, he would be the FIRST person that the OSC would investigate and pursue -- not Peter. All what you are doing is perpetuating judgement brought on someone by the media written by some reporter that doesn't even have simple facts straight. As in calling Steve the leader of the church (no clue that this means a director of songs -- not head of a church as in their context). Writing about the church and how it goes about service and so forth has nothing to do with any of this. Just more juicy "stuff" for the reporter to come up with.

How do you know his money is from criminal gains? You don't know what he had before Peter the con artist came on the scene. Peter was the one sentenced to 3 years of prison. There is more than one side to a story, and the media is one loud side so I suggest you call Steve and speak to him directly -- I'm sure he won't lie to you. (AUS)


COMMENT 8:
   
I'm sure if they were wearing wedding bands the church would have crucified them twice already. (USA)
 
COMMENT 9:
   
COVETOUSNESS!!!! LUKE CHAPTER 12 VERSE 13-15
 Then one from the crowd said to him, "Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me." But he said to him, Man, who made me a judge or arbitrator over you?" And he said to them," Take heed and beware of COVETOUSNESS, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of things he possesses."
 Paul wrote ...For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents unthankful, unholy,
 Unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty,  lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
 Jesus said: You will know them by their fruits. Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven. (AUS)

What happens if I get baptised an a month later I change my mind, then I go back to my old life like for 50 years. Can I return again? Friendship is important. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 2:
   
Even according to the earthly body, a child is not born in a week or two, it takes nine months (normally). (AUS)
 
COMMENT 3:
   
When people came to John the Baptist to be baptized, he didn't baptize everyone. Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance", Luke 3;7&8 NKJ Bible. Not everyone is ready to be baptized this instant. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 4:
   
Some people were a friend for a while, then got baptised and still returned to the world and left God and the holy word... it depends on the individual if they really have fear for God to remain faithful for life because life is really short. Friendship should not be long but being faithful should be for life eternal. Full repentance and being faithful is required. (AUS)

COMMENT 5:
   
Can someone please point out to me where friendship is mentioned in the Bible? (AUS)
 
COMMENT 6:
   
A quick lesson in theology. In the Biblical passages given, the people genuinely sought baptism as God CALLED them. God is the initiator. The 3000, as they were “pricked in the heart” by the Holy Spirit, asked Peter “What shall we do?” Peter didn’t say “You’ll have to wait for 6 months” Instead he replied “Repent and be baptized” which they were – that day! The Holy Spirit was the initiator. It’s not about our choices in baptism, and whether or not we fall from grace. It’s about God calling us, according to his pre-determined plan.

If God calls you to sonship, you have eternal life. In fact, if this is the case, then you have always had sonship – even before you were born (you were saved before anything was created). If God does not call you to sonship, regardless of what you do in life, there is no salvation – there never was! Isiaiah 46:9-10 “…I am God, and there is no-one like me, determining the end from the beginning, and from ancient days, things that have not yet happened… Saying my Counsel shall stand, and I shall do my pleasure…” The end of the story was written BEFORE anything existed! God’s story of life was written, not according to our works, but according to HIS good pleasure. It's not about YOU. It's about HIM!

Metaphorically speaking, one day, God said “I’m going to write a story of life.” And when the WHOLE story was written, He conceived it! He brought it to life!  God doesn’t determine your fate because He knows what decisions you’ll make in the future. God determines your fate because He wrote it! It’s His good pleasure to give life and it’s His good pleasure to deny life. Can you change your fate? Can you lose your salvation? Can you fall from grace? If you believe you can, then you make God out to be a liar. You also make the claim that you have the power to re-write God’s ending to His story. Read the scriptures and understand them. It’s so human to deny the infinite power of God. He wrote the book of life in all its entirety, and the ending was designed by Him! (not your choices). He did this before anything existed, before anyone sinned, before anyone made good or bad decisions. Our responsibility as Christians (or leaders for that matter) is not to question God’s calling to baptism, but to honour God’s work and keep His scriptures. Placing human limits on baptism is not scriptural. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 7:
   
For who wrote comment 6. We (each one of us) "do" have the choice to do good or to do evil. And in the end the Lord will reward each according to a mans works, Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. But the Lord could not punish the wicked if the wicked had no choice but to be wicked. Everyone has a choice, "I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"  Deut 30:19 (AUS)
 
COMMENT 8:
   
To comment No.5 Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Even though Abraham was not baptised, he became a Friend of God. So, according to the scriptures, (before baptism) a person who is seeking God receives the name "Friend". (AUS)

On Sunday Altona 1 will be partaking in the Holy Supper. Bro Janko Tomek and his followers have offended a lot of brothers and sisters in church without repenting. 1Corin 12.29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. (AUS)

COMMENT 2:
   
Congratulations website for debunking these so called "people of God" who are nothing but common crooks. There is no Nazarean church in Australia but sadly there is only a group of people playing the church. Those few who are not corrupt don't wait save yourself and find some proper church to worship the Lord. (USA)
   

23 Jan 2014 - Many new visitors Just to say greetings to our new, first-time visitors, from: Scottsville, Kentucky; Wheeling, West Virginia; Paulsboro, New Jersey; Bayreuth, Bavaria; Weilburg, Hesse; Birkenfeld, Rhineland-Palatinate; Baker City, Oregon; Hobart, Tasmania; Orrville, Ohio; Silverton, Oregon; Appleton, Wisconsin; Prescott Valley, Arizona; Clearlake, California; Poway, California; Pekin, Illinois; Fort Scott, Kansas; Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania.   Distribution of visitors from 1 Dec 2012 to 23 Jan 2014. Total visits: 43,986. (The dots point the cities with 10 or more visits.)

Here are some news and updates. As a reflection of the growing rift between the Slovaks and the Romanians in Altona 1, Philip Ruzeu, Paul Pentsa's son-in-law and definitely his best student, is becoming more and more critical of Janko Tomek. He even uses the opportunity to launch his attacks from the pulpit, while preaching. Philip's wife Margaret is also not happy with Janko, who spent the previous weekend (4th and 5th of January) in Brisbane talking with Paul. What was their discussion about, remains a secret.

There will be a baptism in Altona 1 on January 26th. And we all know what normally comes after the baptism.

And here are some news from Perth - we already have two churches there, not just one, as you would expect based on the number of members... six, if we are not wrong. The two Nazarene families now worship separately, each in their own house. Whether there is a practical reason behind this, or maybe some bickering, we do not know.
    

I think Philip would be a great elder he speaks English and not broken English that's what you need for future growth. (AUS)

COMMENT 2:
   
Slovak and English should only be preached. (AUS)  
 
COMMENT 3:
   
It's obvious "SLOVAKS ARE RASISTS", they were born in Serbia but don't want to speak Serbian. If they want Slovak language preaching, should open a separate church. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 4:
   
Just English it is not Europe. (AUS)

COMMENT 5:
   
Nothing wrong to be jobless elder. More for this reason he has ample time to study the Bible, and be a "good preacher". Some Christian churches support their pastors financially and they aren’t working. But the Bible says freely you have received, freely give. Matt.10:8 (AUS)

COMMENT 6:
   
There isn't a church in Perth to start off with, so you can't say there is a split in Perth. There never was or is a church in Perth. Andrew Szabo moved there because he doesn't want anything to do with Nazareres and he will only attend baptisms and work if we pay for his flight. (AUS)

COMMENT 7:
   
There is 2 churches in Adelaide too. Helen's church and Gabor's. (AUS)
 
COMMENT 8:
   
To comment No.1
What? Philip to be an Elder God forbid he should NOT be a Preacher of God's Holy word. Why? Well he truly has lost God's Blessings, No love of God is in him, No peace of God dwells in his heart, only hatred like Ondrej Sulja and others. By what means? Well Philip made that Judgement not to shake hands with some Brothers in Christ, nor give God's Blessings at greeting hand shake to some Brothers in Christ as also Ondrej Sulja and others.
Does not this seem they first of all made judgement NOT to BLESS some Brothers in Christ, then when some one doesn't extend Gods Blessing? Does this mean they have NO God's Blessings in them? To give to others? Firstly to Brothers in Christ, and secondly to Bless and Love your enemies those who curse you and do evil to you. Bless them and Pray for them that God may have mercy upon their souls, that their sins my be forgiven in their repentance.
Philip, Ondrej and others, where is God's Love, Blessing, and Peace? You don't have it, you lost it? GO and find it where you have lost it.
My God's prayer is that you find it for the sake of the salvation of you souls.
Don't let this happen to you as it has happened to Brother Josa Mohan died with the seed of hatred in his heart not shaking hands nor extending God's Blessing to some Brothers in Christ, how is he going to meet our God the true judge on the Judgement day? God have mercy on his soul.
From where came this seed of hatred in your hearts? Who have sown this seed? The only true answer is from the false prophets the wolves in sheep's clothing they care NOT for Your salvation to save you but to kill you and destroy you.
Who are these false prophets? This web site describes them very well if you read and take note from the first page of this web site till this last comment and look into God's Holy word, it will reveal who they are: The NOT Loving Br. Paul Pentsa and Janko Tomek.
My God's prayer goes also for them that they may seek to repent their destructive sins otherwise they shell NOT escape from the wrath of GOD.
The Only true fact is Philip cannot be even called a Brother in Christ for this sin of hatred that is in his heart, and yet he is a preacher / minister of God's holy word? And to say HE will be a GOOD Elder GOD FORBID.
Philip this judgment that you made not to bless those brothers in Christ and shake hands with them only means to Curse the which is the opposite of Blessing, am I not right? You wish to curse them, hate them? Do you know that in doing this hopeless soul, you are doing to my little ones as Christ said you are doing it to me. Amen. (AUS)  

COMMENT 9:
   
Who do you think would make a good leader in the churches in Australia? (AUS)
 
COMMENT 10:
   
To Comment 8, Amen! Everything you wrote is true. Mohan, Andrei Sulja, Philip, Martha Kolarik, Tomeks and many more who think they are better than others and refuse to give you a handshake. Really unbelievable. I attend the same church and they don't give me a hand shake or blessing either and I have been a member for many years. It used to hurt me a lot in the beginning but now I am use to the hatred that comes with being a Janko Tomek supporter. God have mercy on their souls. If you have no love, you have nothing. (AUS)  

COMMENT 11:
      
To comment No 9: Read 1 Timothy Ch.3 it will explain all. My understanding and the Holy Spirit that teaches me would be including 1 Timothy ch.3 is he that suffered persecution and suffered all bad manner name upon him and not being guilty, blessed is his reward for suffering wrongfully for Jesus Christ name sake. Look deeply and study the Holy word of GOD and then see around you who is suffering wrongfully and patiently showing the fruit of patients and you will know them. If you find them write a comment and state their names there are many. God Bless you All. (AUS)

Your statistics are amazing! All reading this site. People from countries from where we are not even aware that there are any ACCA / ACCN believers. (AUS)

OUR COMMENT: Thanks. Well, let's see. Just in the last seven days there were visitors from Australia, United States, Canada, Germany, Ukraine, Austria, Hungary, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Russia, United Kingdom, France, Ireland, China, Indonesia, South Korea, Malaysia, Nigeria, Singapore, Kyrgyzstan, and Trinidad and Tobago. You see, Paul Pentsa and Janko Tomek should be grateful to this website, we've made them global celebrities! 

Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide - Sis. Paulina Dudok, who does not attend either the Altona 1 or Altona 2 groups, but goes to another one, led by Djura Tutus, sent this letter to Laza in Sydney, hand written in Serbian. Miroslav from Adelaide sent her an answer in Laza's behalf, also in Serbian. Read all this in our special section.

You have incorrect information about the Petrovics. Besides, it really isn't the business of most readers here on WHAT they do! It is Inappropriate to name names of people who have NOTHING to do with the Australian ACCN problems! (As far as I know!) I personally know Peter and his wife and daughters, and while I am not a supporter of him as an elder and also not in favor of the split and ACF, I disagree with your comment about his wife and daughters being worldly. Your description makes them sound (in my opinion) far more "worldly" than perhaps you even mean. I've known Pete and his wife for over 30 years and knew the girls from little on up. They do not deserve this attack and it should not have been posted. In addition, I don't think posting specifics on American ACCA church situations belongs on this site.... no names, no church congregations. My family has endured much hurt through the ACF split (my immediate family was "left behind"; many left). Frankly, this is also not the site to discuss why the Silver Lining didn't mention the split! So much hurt has gone on. Naming names, hashing things out online... this is not Christlike. (USA)

You are brave to comment like this about the Petrovics. And I believe that divisions or splits is not a solution to problems, BUT I very strongly say that ACF have very valid & solid points and Biblical reasons, and the ACCA are in the error regarding this topic/spilt. Nevertheless the Petrovics do not deserve this attack, and are falsely muddied. Hey, we must speak and write the truth, are we not Christians? I suggest we discuss (even attack) the issues and opinions and reasons, and aspects, points, arguments, topics, but not "persons". Do you get me? (AUS)
   
COMMENT 2:
  
Many of the ACF beliefs are quite disturbing. They insist on redefining all but the most severe of sins after baptism as "faults and shortcomings." They deny that we are saved by faith alone in the shed blood of Christ with works as the evidence of our salvation. They seem to elevate traditions and hymn lyrics to the level of scripture, and come close to glorifying their heritage more than God. (USA) 

COMMENT 3:
  
To comment 2: These are the Words of Jesus Christ, Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man ACCORDING AS HIS WORK SHALL BE. Just to have faith and believe is not enough for salvation, you also must have deeds that match, eg- Christian virtues etc. Faith without works is dead. If faith only (without works) was enough for salvation, that "WOULD" mean that I can live this worldly life, steal, lie, kill, commit adultery, but as long as I faith in God, I will nevertheless be saved because I have faith, and it does not matter that I sin. You are kidding yourself if you think that you can be saved by faith alone without the need of good deeds. If Pentsa has faith and DOES believe, will that be enough for him to be saved, even if his deeds do not show Christian love? (AUS)

COMMENT 4:
  
To the editor of the comments placed on this site:- you must (to be fair) allow both "for" and "against" arguments to be posted. Otherwise you will very quickly lose trust and credit. (AUS)

COMMENT 5:
  
Dear comment 2. Many of the ACCA deeds are quite disturbing. Many of them are becoming similar to this world. What's the point of leaving the world and sin, only to return to sin. It would have been better if they had not. Their members visit other religions, (which is idolatry), they bear arms, they meddle in politics of this world, they remove good sound preachers and replace them with those who will speak from the pulpit that what "suit". Hey! We are not blind. (AUS)

COMMENT 6:
  
To comment 5, Idolatry can be defined in many ways; eg, worshipping statues, money, sport, anything that somebody loves more than God. Also ACCN are not the only faith saved but other people who live according to God's word. Having love for God and the brethren is vital for your soul's salvation. (AUS)

COMMENT 7:
  
Other religions? I do not believe that there is salvation in catholic, muslim, jehovah witness, budist, Judaism, lutheran, adventists, pentacostal, anglican, etc. etc. religions. Participating with any of these religions is idolatry. There is no compromise with this point. But you mentioned, "Having love for God and the brethren is vital for your soul's salvation". This is perfectly true. (AUS)

COMMENT 8:
  
Comment 7 is spot on, but the problem with our churches is that many don't have love for God and the brethren. (AUS)

COMMENT 9:
  
In response to the December 14 Comment #3: I clearly stated in comment #2 that our works will PROVE that our faith is real. Real faith is never without works, but that does not mean that we are saved by the power of our own works. We "show" or "prove" our faith by our works, but we are not justified or declared righteous by them. Justified can mean either to "render one righteous" or to "show or exhibit one to be righteous." Romans 4:2-4: For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. (USA)

COMMENT 10:
  
In response to the December 14 Comment #9: OK. So you agree that we "Must" have good /Christian/ deeds. Good! So then we (you and me) do agree. Because faith without works is dead. Nevertheless our good deeds will not save us. And your comment: "but that does not mean that we are saved by the power of our own works" is perfectly true. Again, we are in agreement. You said that "We "show" or "prove" our faith by our works", again, that's perfectly true. Conclusion: we need BOTH "faith" AND "good deeds". We are saved by grace. Yet we MUST have faith AND "good works". Our good works will not save us, BUT if we do Not have good works (meaning, if we live like this sinful world), then we cannot assume, nor say, that we have salvation. (AUS) 

COMMENT 11:
   
If we (you and me) are in agreement, then you are also in agreement with the ACCA beliefs and what is preached over our pulpits. Just confused why everyone thinks the ACCA is so deceived and in error. (USA)

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