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24 June 2013 - Message for Zsanett Kovacs, sent by a reader


Beloved Brothers and Sisters in the Lord, in Australia.
God’s mercy & peace be multiplied to you all.
Can we see which direction Bro. Paul Pentsa and Bro. Andrew Taylor, and Bro. Janko Tomek have led the Lord's flock whom God made as overseers? We warn you not to close your ears or eyes from the voice of the Lord. Do not go against your conscience or against God's Holy word. Do not find freedom to follow their paths, which they walk and practise, because they do not take the perfect, Holy Word of the Lord as a guide. God is perfect and Holy Word is the only example and direction through Jesus Christ who is the Head and we all members of His body.
The following verses prevent them in performing Baptismal Services or any other holy work, until they make reconciliation with the Church:
1). - (1 Corinthians 6: 1,6-8)
2). - (St.Luke 22:25-27)
3). - (1 Peter 5:3)
Let it be known and noted that any member that will AGREE, PARTICIPATE or ATTEND the Baptismal Service or any other work, whatever they would ATTEMPT to perform, will be accountable for their sin WITH them.
Regard the following IMPORTANT verses:
- (James 4:12)
- (Hebrews 12: 5, 6)
- (1 John 5:17)
- (Revelation 22:15)
- (Proverbs 17:15)
- (Colossians 3:25)
- (James 2:9)

Dear ACCN-AU website!
With prayer to our Heavenly Father, I would like to make an offer to the website, as we see the possibility of a Baptism in Marsden on August 10, organised by Brother Paul Pentsa.
I believe it to be fit to offer a 'grace period' from 10 July to 10 August as a possibility to have the website closed.
In return, hoping and praying to God for another attempt of forgiveness by Brother Paul Pentsa.
Also, at the same time indicating to the North American Elders / Elder body to likewise make a move of some kind, during this time, as a free will in return to have the website closed.
May God bless all the elders that have the Holy Spirit to make a move for the improvements regarding the Australian churches, unrighteousness of Brother Paul Pentsa and lies of Brother Paul Pentsa.
Dear Elders & Brother Paul Pentsa: Be strong and courageous, knowing WHO you will give an account to, if you DON'T make the correct move!

That is a horrible thing to write to a converting soul. Please remove it ASAP before she leaves the church. Is that a Christian example that he has the spirit of a serpent and is a scumbag and the ONLY spirit he can give you is one of a serpent ie. the devil? SHAME ON YOU and I would be scared for my soul to write something that horrible.
Hey you who sent comment 3, you have no clue what is going on. It is not 'horrible' what people put on this website, it is just a reaction to what the so called Australian Elders do to people, that is horrible. We just had another suicide here in Brisbane. This is not the right time for baptisms. Something has to change first.
Whoever wrote comment 3 is spot on. Shame on them who wrote about the spirit is a serpent etc. Whoever wrote comment 4 is ignorant & in denial. The person who committed suicide left the faith years ago & yes it is very sad for any soul to be finished that way on earth. We live in Australia & we know what's going on & it seems like you have a personal vendetta against the leaders & members  of the church. For all those who are against the souls to give their life to God & trying to stop it with bad words etc, you have NO fear of God to use such words from your tongue & have it in your heart. Shame on you.
COMMENT 6 (probably the same person who wrote Comment 5, same style):
If we ALL waited for there to be peace & reconciliation in the churches before anyone would be baptized, then NOBODY would be baptized in Australia for the last 40 YEARS. People who have been in the church for 40 years said THERE HAS NEVER BEEN PEACE & ALWAYS BEEN PROBLEMS in the church & we always had baptisms in the church. The person who wrote comment 4 looks like they are trying to blame the leaders in the church for this poor man's suicide, but they had nothing to do with it as he left the church years ago.  

To comments 5 and 6
You need to read this three times:
Paul Pentsa has blood on his hands! This is the fact and everyone in Brisbane knows it!
And what I'm thinking is that Paul Pentsa's daughter Margaret Pentsa should not be sending so many comments and this website should stop posting them as we all know that nothing honest will ever come from that family.

OUR COMMENT: You are clever, that may be her. In the future, if Margaret wants to post comments in behalf of her father, she will first have to identify herself, as well as to limit her writings to one or two per topic - other people have the right to be heard too.
To comment 6 writer

The Bible states: Be ye holy; for I am holy. 1 Peter 1:16 (Do you not know this? The Bible states: Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 11:27. (do you not know this?) The Bible states: ...for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Romans 14:23. (DO you not know this?) Work conducted in the past by an elder unworthily (with sin) doesn't justify it can be repeated again and again and again....

There were problems in the past, yes, but reconciliation and seeking forgiveness is by Faith. And if this is not conducted prior to any work, sin is still alive. Past work conducted in an unholy manner, doesn't justify it can be repeated again and again....

If Nenadovic elder conducted work unworthily (who ordained Pentsa) doesn't justify Pentsa to conduct work unworthily. Pentsa may state: I don't want to change the past how it was conducted by elders that ordained me. Well, what if Nenadovic was in the wrong, or conducted work unworthily? Or what if Nenadovic conducted MANY times in MANY churches in AUSTRALIA work unworthily? Who are we following? Which example are we following? of Nenadovic or the Bible?

Stand up for the right and for the Faith!

I am a bit annoyed by reading RECENT various comments. It shows me something... Christians, who are God's children, are still living a boxed mentality and think they know the absolute truth of every situation. The person who killed himself... YOU HAVE NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER, TO SAY HE LEFT THE FAITH BECAUSE YOU NEVER WITNESSED THIS WITH YOUR OWN EYES. Yes, he may have physically left a church building e.g. Marsden, but that does not equate to a soul, losing their faith, and falling away.
You do not know his state of soul before he passed away. Christians are not exempt from mental illness, and yes, Christians, do fall away FROM GOD'S FAITH too, and that can also result in them taking their own life. But YOU AND I are not in the position to judge this situation. I am not suggesting we embrace all other Christian faiths outside the ACC, and suggest we fraternize with them, however, if we ACC's claim to have the HOLY SPIRIT in our faith, and we OURSELVES DO NOT HAVE TRUE UNITY IN THE BODY, then who are we, to have the right, to say every single Christian faith who we know nothing about, outside the ACC church, who are not merged with us, are all WRONG??
We ourselves are not merged as one, IN THE BODY OF CHRIST (so many groups, and divisions). So, we cannot judge someone as "falling away" when they do not literally attend an ACC faith anymore. I certainly would label someone as a "fall away" if they became anti-Christian, sinful and stop submitting to God's Word. I think it would be very wrong to say that the ACC is the only group of Christians that will be saved. There are faithful believers too that we do not know about... ones who converted in prison and still there, ones in countries that have no ACC church but are still saved, etc.
I am not embracing carnal liberal sinful Christianity out there that is so prevalent today, however I am saying, we cannot dump every soul in the rubbish bin who leaves an ACC church building and say they fell away. The ACC faith does not OWN THE COPYRIGHT TO THE WORD OF GOD. We have seem many bad experiences I know, but we must be careful in our comments because WE CAN BE DEAD WRONG WHEN ASSESSING SOULS. And that is not our business anyway...

In regards to comment 10, AMEN! Nothing left to add.
To be fair, I don't think anyone was judging this soul. When we Nazareans say he left the faith, it means he left OUR faith (which he did). Whether or not he left God, nobody said that. It is our practice to excommunicate anyone who leaves our church and I think in proving the spirits we can see that they did leave God by the way they live. But we dont judge, GOD will. Anyway we shouldn't be talking about this, the poor family might be reading it. Lets just pray for the family.
Paul Pentsa must face it. He is indirectly responsible for the death of L.P. There is no way out of this. Just like he's indirectly, or even directly, responsible for the death of that other Hungarian who killed himself after being expelled from Marsden church by Paul Pentsa.
To comment 12. You just totally dissed the L.P. family stating they left God. Yet you say we don't judge? You just judged them to hell IF they left God. And how do they live? If they don't follow the AC traditions you conclude they left God? Shame on you then to say the family might be reading let's be careful what we say.
To the reader who sent the comment that starts "In response to comment 13, I don't think you know all the facts.." Your comment will be posted when you send us your name, surname, and e-mail address (which will be used for verification). Let's just say we are tired of trolling, flooding, spamming, same people pretending to be a multitude and sending poisonous comments day after day, and all other silly games.

UPDATE. The reader responded: "This is suppose to be annonymous, but if you want me to mention my name, then I can also mention your name, as I know some of you people who are responsible for this website, and I am happy to mention your name in my comment if you want."

Of course. Take a shot. There are many people involved in creating this website, you name at least 5 of them. However, successful or not, you will still have to provide your name, surname and e-mail address if you want to see your comments published, as explained previously.
Dear Writers;
We don't need to talk about a situation neither side can verify or prove.
So, let's just simply stop it.
Let's try and resolve the issues we can verify and prove.
Is there any chance we can all just sit together and discuss things openly rather than anonymously?
I believe we all pretty much know each other already, which makes things a lot easier.
What's hesitating this?

There is word going around in Melbourne, it seems that Pentsa is trying to locate who is accusing him, re. comment to Zsannet.

COMMENT 17 (obviously a reply to Comment 14):
How dare you accuse me of judging them to Hell? ANYONE who leaves God is going to hell, it's what the Bible says. I didn't say he left God. AND who's to say that ANYONE who IS a member of ACC hasn't left God??? Just because you're a "member" doesn't mean you don't live in sin. And just because you leave our church doesn't mean you ARE in sin. I said God will be judge.

Hey, just a heads up for the site, whether or not you wish to post is up to you. Mark Igic read the elder's report in San Diego and told the church that the elder's don't want to be involved in Australia, and he also told the church not to believe anything that is written on the website.
Calm down comment 17... In comment 12 this is your quote.. "and I think in proving the spirits we can see that they did leave God by the way they live"... Perhaps you had another thought but it came out the wrong way?? Just clarify.
And comment 18. Really Mark? Are you saying all the Hungarian illegals in your church are not illegals? You are better than this. Or are you?
Mark Igic isn't innocent either. He only told his church not to believe anything on this website, because he himself is doing illegal and shifty things in his church in San Diego. Because things are said on this website about him, he tells his church not to believe it.
Reading the sad news on this website about L.P. makes me to wander, how people can jump into conclusion and spread a rumour that he committed a suicide. Who witnessed it to testify it's true? We should be certain before spreading it around.
Comment 19, be realistic. The person who wrote Comment 12 & Comment 17 is completely right. Anyone who knows the Bible knows the comments were right. Anyone who commits suicide has left God. God did not take their life, they took their own life because they left God & allowed the Devil to get in. You are in denial if you don't believe that & I think we all need to pray for you so you don't think or believe any sin a person does is saved. By the way you are talking, you are sure that you believe in once saved always saved. Look at yourself first. You are showing others that you believe your self-righteous because you are right but you are far from right. Go read the Bible instead of telling this website & other people that you can do any sin unto death & still be saved. God will judge them & don't forget he will judge you too not just pass you. You are very confused spiritually & everyone that reads this will know I am 100% right because that's what the Bible says which is God's word. Don't change God's will or word so it can suit your life. God's word does NOT change like the fashion. It stays the same FOREVER.
OUR COMMENT: OK, let's not go further into this type of discussion. People kill themselves... why? God knows. We haven't been in such situation, therefore our understanding of this phenomenon will always be incomplete. But what we DO understand, is that here in Australia we live in an UNHEALTHY SPIRITUAL ENVIRONMENT, thanks to certain men exposed on this website, and we also understand that this UNHEALTHY SPIRITUAL ENVIRONMENT may motivate MENTALLY UNSTABLE INDIVIDUALS to do something stupid. At the end, everything is connected, which means we all share responsibility for what has happened, not equally though, as some of us have more power and influence on people's lives than others.

When it comes to Paul Pentsa, we all know that he was bothering that family for a long time, till they finally packed and left. There was a constant tension, especially between the man's wife and Paul Pentsa. Perhaps he was annoyed with her because she was smarter and more educated than him and openly unwilling to submit to his authority. Paul Pentsa cannot stand it. His tactics is to bully, mock and abuse such person to the point when he or she leaves the church, after which Paul Pentsa joyfully labels that person as someone who left the faith and does not believe in God anymore.

That's how he operates. We've seen this pattern many times. And that's why no one in Australia or elsewhere - mark these words - should have any delusions that this website will be removed as long as Paul Pentsa is an elder.

You mentioned in your comment that everything is connected and we all share the responsibility. As I understand, this man and his family did leave the Marsden church, but then attended the church of Boris Vujicic and Arnold Baumann. They then left that church. For what reason did they leave that church? We don't know, but does that mean then that Boris Vujicic and Arnold Baumann also have responsibility for his death? He and his family then left that church and went to another church. Are they responsible as well? Maybe we should look at the big picture of things. We will never know the reasons why.  
Yeah, but only our church is the "right one". All others don't count.
Tamara's witch hunt
Warning! You must urgently remove yourself from Tamara's list of Facebook friends, if you have anything to do with this website (and you obviously do, as you are just reading it...)
I'm the same person that wrote comments 12 and 17. And I DON'T agree with comment 22. Yes of course we don't agree in suicide, and no, the Bible doesn't change according to the fashion, but really, we don't know the situation, and just let God be the judge, OK? He weighs with righteous scales, unlike Paul Pentsa.
OK 19, peace is made :)
In response to Mark Igic, oh, please. So should we  not believe that church is 3/4 full of illegals then, too? Good question, 19, IS HE better than this??? We all thought so.
In response to the witch hunt, why doesn't PAUL apologize to everyone he dragged in the mud too? Same thing. Why don't you write, "anyone associated with PP OR the site remove me?"
By the way, back to the Igic thing, has anyone heard of anything else that the elders in North America said about the site? I'm curious. We all know everything here is 100% true.
Australia is not the only land of Nazarean dictators. Just like Pentsa is forcing Melbourne to sell the church, in Windsor, there has been discussion going on for some time about selling our church and building a new one. Well, it went to the vote and DID NOT pass. Now they are trying to add an addition to the church, they claim it's too full, yet in the afternoons the members could all comfortably lay down in the benches to listen to the sermon. This project will cost $4 MILLION. And a lot of members don't want to give a cent. Good for them. Mike Palanacki and some of the leaders are furious. He had a meeting not too long ago and told the congregation, "PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS." Because some keep talking about the project but no one wants to pay. GOOD FOR THEM... DONT GIVE A RED CENT ANYONE!!! EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S JUST SO WE CAN BE AS "COOL" AS KITCHENER EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T NEED IT!
Comment 22: It's because of self righteous people like you that people leave the AC faith. How dare you commit this man to Hell? Have you heard of mental illness? Only God knew his state of mind and leave it to God to judge. If one kills himself over divorce or money is one thing, but mental illness it another. Why don't you get educated before opening your mouth?

And just like comment 17 says, just because you are a member doesn't automatically make you ready for heaven. Look at all the so called Elders exposed in this site and THEY ARE MEMBERS? And what does the bible say about people like them? Hmmm?

Let's leave LP to God and deal with the facts. The fact is Mark Igic was against baptizing the illegals but with force from his co-laborer Elder Andy Olas (a Hungarian) and from consulting with our ACC sister church Elder Peter Petrovich, Mark gave in.

OUR COMMENT: It would be interesting to hear a bit more on this - who are those illegal Hungarians in San Diego? Why do they want to stay in the USA now when the economy there is not doing well, especially in California? Why can't they go back to Hungary? There is no prosecution of believers in that country. Hungary is a member of European Union since 2004 and its GDP per capita is almost $20,000. Breaking the earthly laws may be justified in case of prosecution and tyranny, or extreme poverty, but hardly in this scenario (?)

Recently Elder Jim Igic did work in a church. A brother confessed a sin that could have been dealt with without the church but even that's not the issue; the issue is that Jim Igic told this brother in front of the whole church "Shame on you". The brother instantly said, "I'm not coming back". You see Australians, we too have Elders like your Paul Pentsa. They act like they are above everyone and answer to no one. Is this how a Shepherd deals with a straying sheep?


Re. Illegal Hungarians in San Diego: One friend draws another and so on. The climate is extremely beautiful in San Diego all year around. They work under the table, more liberalness in San Diego church and so on. Of course, if they were persecuted in Hungary, no one would make it an issue. But they outright lie that they will go back when they get there visa, but they don't. And when they get baptized they don't go back and make restitution. They all get married quickly and then they don't have to go back.

How could you write such words "PENCA A SCUMBAG; HE DOESN'T HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT ONLY THE SPIRIT OF SERPENT"? Do you have the Holy Spirit, are you a Christian at all? Do you read the Bible how God Almighty loves His Church and His children? This is not from God at all. In the beginning I was supporting openness of this website knowing that enough is enough; leaders were corrupted and negligence was very evident. But, remember; this Church belongs to God and you who write so much rubbish against this church are committing a sin attacking and mudding this church! I've experienced more spirituality in this church than anywhere else and I know that enemy is trying to destroy what belongs to God. But, you who treat this website like rubbish container be careful; God knows the hearts everybody of us.
20 June 2013 - A topic for discussion: SYSTEM FAILURE
Here is a new topic to be discussed. To put side Paul Pentsa and Janko Tomek, at least for a moment, as we all know that there are Pentsas and Tomeks everywhere in the Nazarene world. It seems that there is some sort of core flaw built in the ACCN faith. Abuse of spiritual power is widespread and splits are something that we tend to see as normal. Issues remain unresolved for decades. Nazarene communities are declining in numbers. The question is, why is all this happening? Why so many problems? Here are some possible explanations:

- Lack of central government: conflicts cannot be resolved because there is no one to make the final judgement. There is no "Nazarene Pope" who would be considered infallible. There is no Holy Synod like in the Orthodox Church. Every elder defends his turf, drawing support from his family members and associates, rather than to observe Biblical principles.

- Mentality: most of ACCN members were born in ex-Yugoslavia, Hungary, Romania, or in English-speaking countries as their descendants. It may be the case that the fierce and passionate Balkan mentality contributed to deterioration of mutual respect and church order.

- No one is chasing us anymore: now when there is no prosecution for refusing to carry arms, when there is no poverty and therefore need to help each other, Nazarenes became like the Laodicean Church described in Revelation 3: So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

- We live in the last times: this is a very popular explanation especially when those "on top" need to justify their poor leadership and loss of members.

What do you think?

We definitely do not need a Nazarene pope, that's an idolatrous idea, and all your suggestions are invalid for the situation, except for the last one, "we live in the last times" and that the end is near. We do have a central head leader, Christ himself. Christ said that he did not come to bring peace on Earth, we can have peace in our hearts with the Lord by being faithful to the Lord. To be persecuted when trying to live a holy live "is normal". You suggest that no one is chasing us anymore?? You are kidding, right? They are chasing us, it's just that they are now inside, ie: wolves among the flock. Hey, listen! It will not be long.
Maybe we need to contact the Australian Elder Body for counselling? I know of 2 elders in that Australian Elder Body that have been removed as elders.
Who do we ask for counselling? Is there any other elders or elder bodies out there willing to help????
Any? Please??
Lack of SIMPLE COMMUNICATION causes so many problems. IT does not mean because there are so many church problems, that IT IS ALL RELATED TO THE END TIMES. Australia has FACTUALLY TOO MANY PROBLEMS, AND THIS IS NOT BASED ON OPINION OR ONLY CAUSED BY A GROUP OF UNRULY MEMBERS. There are genuine problems that need to be addressed. Perhaps the END TIMES will HELP to heal us (the willing ones) through God's help, because when it becomes so bad, Christians will realise that it is not about him, and her, and about collective groups, but THEMSELVES PERSONALLY. And then when you become the CHANGE that you want to see, your witness to other hurting members, will help to heal them also.
Dear Brethren in Australia!
Is there not any among you that has the ability to talk with the ministers and elders and organise a meeting among yourselves to pray, talk, discuss, resolve issues?
Malachi 3:16.
16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
Joel 1:14.
14 Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD,
Joel 2:15-17.
15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?
Isaiah 1:16-19.
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land.
19 June 2013 - "Never give up the battle", sent by a reader
Brethren, it is crystal clear:
1) It is sin for a brother to take a brother to court (and who does this must needs be placed under punishment, regardless who he is.)
2) It is a sin to lie (and who does this must be placed under punishment, regardless who he is.)
3) Christ is head of the Fellowship of Christ (the Church), not elders (and who wants to enforce else what, fore mostly must not be followed.)
4) We as Christians are persecuted, and that “IS” normal, and it does not matter from who the persecution comes from, (even if it is from Elders) we must anyway bear the cross.
5) If any member is displaying: hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, or causing strife, seditions and/or heresies must  be placed under punishment, regardless who he is.
6) It seems very needful to do a scrutiny, meaning: one by one, every member (from oldest to youngest) to stand and be examined. Those all in the clear, to retain their freedom in the Fellowship, but those with sin, to be placed under punishment, regardless who he is. Is there not justice and judgement and mercy on the path if Christ?
7) We must never give up the battle. Never. Don’t lose hope.
The end is near.  We all know that.  Can you make it to the end?
And what does it mean if you don’t make it to the end?

18 June 2013 - "To submit ourselves?", sent by a reader
I have a question for the person who wrote Comments No 6 dated 03rd June 2013. You stated that you support the work of Elders and their decisions because in Hebrews 13:7 it states, Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves.

Does that mean that we need to obey Elders and submit ourselves to Elders, even when they are in the wrong? If your answer is, “Yes” then you are saying that we should put Elders above the truth. (The Word of God is the truth.) Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye. Acts 4:19

We should obey them that have rule over us, “IF” the instructions they are giving “ARE” according to and in agreement” with the Word of God. Do we need to submit ourselves to Elders, even when they are in the wrong? But if your answer is “No”, then you should understand why all this is happening.
14 June 2013 - "It breaks my heart", sent by a reader
Reading all these comments breaks my heart. Sometime I wonder why even bother with the Elder Body of America or any part of the world? Would they solve our problems? Would they rebuke Paul Pentsa or Tomek? Would they care the Body of Christ and the weak and sick lambs in the congregation? I doubt it very much. To Elders in Ephesus apostle Paul said: "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I KNOW this, that after my departing shall GRIEVIOUS WOLVES enter in among YOU, nor sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking PERVERSE things, to draw away disciples after them" (Acts 20:28-30). This proves that there are GRIEVIOUS WOLVES in the Elder Body. Would they spare the flock? Would they rebuke Paul? Hardly. So what, then, is our solution? I wish I knew the answer to that. Those who are good Elders and who care for the flock are in minority and they are afraid to be bold and fight for the Truth. Actually if they did they would be probably removed from Elder Body. At times I think that the best solution for me is to stop coming to church and to have my fellowship with God at home. What will happen in the end only God knows.
12 June 2013 - "Implore, not command", sent by a reader
There is one lie on this site which should be removed:
Untrue FACT: (Stated on 26 May 2013 - European elders to provide counsel)
... “It’s interesting to note the North American elders do not have the spiritual conviction or interest to counsel the Australian churches but do have interest to command this website be removed” ...

Definition of Command: to require authoritatively; demand: She commanded silence.

True FACT: (Stated on 23 May 2013 - An e-mail from Boris Vujicic)
 ... “I therefore implore you to cease with the public website as a means to peace and reconciliation and rather make efforts to meet together and seek ways of reconciliation with those who seek peace.” ...

Definition of Implore: to beg urgently or piteously, as for aid or mercy; beseech; entreat: They implored him to go.

This same word “implore” is used in the elder’s letter. They never used the word (nor spoke in the spirit of)  “command”.

Brethren of this website - you have been lovingly and meekly admonished or implored (by many) to cease this website - not because you are not loved - but because you (or others as a result of this site) are gendering strife and some lies (one example as demonstrated above).
7 June 2013 - "Confess your sin", sent by a reader

2 Samuel 12:1-13 And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor. 2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds: 3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter. 4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him. 5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die: 6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity. 7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; 8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. 9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon. 10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife. 11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. 12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. 13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
3 June 2013 - Six months later...

Here we go - it's been 6 months since we started this website! Quite frankly, we did not expect it to last this long. But that's what it is. These days we are receiving an increased number of e-mails and anonymous messages calling for this website to be closed. How hard is to close the website? Not hard at all, of course. But the real question is, how hard is for Mister Pentsa to move his butt from the first bench? And to stop prosecuting people? It seems very hard. It seems like the whole Universe is revolving around his butt there in the first bench. If Paul Pentsa really loves the Lord and our Nazarene faith, then why does he refuse to resign? Even if he sincerely believes in his own innocence, it would not be wrong if he SACRIFICES himself for the benefit of the whole community. Why not to say, for example, something like: "Brothers, sisters, I've been your elder for so many years, now it's enough, let's find someone else, someone younger, to look after the flock."

Hey, don't be naive. He won't say that. Ever. Because he loves his seat more than he loves you, or your children, or the ACCN church, or the Lord. Look - any normal, decent man would give up long time ago. Any normal, decent man would say "OK, if so many people are against me, if they are writing nasty stuff about me, if they are putting my pictures on the Internet, well, there must be something wrong with me. It doesn't happen just like that."

But, no. That's Paul Pentsa. He won't give up. He will keep going, no matter how miserable it looks, no matter how much it costs.

Oh, well. Patience, patience. It may take another 6 months, 6 years, 10 years, God knows. In the meantime, please don't blame this website if somebody becomes disappointed in the ACCN faith. We simply present things as they are. We will continue our mission as long as necessary. But if you believe that Paul Pentsa's seat is worth more than the whole ACCN church in Australia, together with all souls seeking the Lord, so be it.

Thank the Lord and you and all the truth that is presented on this website. You have our support here in the USA, may the Lord give you strength to continue in speaking the truth because the truth will set us free.

One message to you Brother Paul Pentsa - Don't think that American Elders support you fully in your lies and divisions and court actions against believers. Do not rely on American Elders Body because Elders Body cannot make you free before God.

God does not judge like Elder Body.

Brother Paul we all know that the word of God clearly says that all unrighteousness is sin and sinners will not inherit kingdom of heaven. All this what you are doing in Australia is sin and you have to repent from all this. My advice to you Brother Paul is to humble yourself and repent and please do not wait for God's hand to come upon you because no Elder Body can save you from God's hand.

Brother Paul I humbly hope you will take all warnings seriously.

Dear Elder Paul Pentsa,

1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

James 5:16 - Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Proverbs 28:13 - He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh [them] shall have mercy.

James 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.

Matthew 5:44 - But I say unto you, LOVE your enemies, BLESS them that curse you, do GOOD to them that hate you, and PRAY for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

Romans 12:14 - BLESS them which persecute you: BLESS, and curse not.

James 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

These are just three of many verses that come to mind when I read your website. The Bible does not support your actions no matter how badly you have been wronged. Can you dispute them? I challenge you to post on your website just three verses that support your actions. If you are in the right, this should be very easy for you. If not, will you make it right and do the good you know to do? Or will you continue in disobedience to God and His word?

COMMENT 4 (in Serbian):
Staresine misle da su pametni, sto mozda jesu. Ali ako pitaju skupstinu, i rade zajedno sa skupstinom, clanovi ce ih mnogo vise ceniti, slusati i ciniti njihove savete. Ali ako cine sa zestinom i pretnjom, samo ce kroz vreme clanovi da prvo oslabe u veri, ili ce da ih ostave. Jer najamnik je samo najamnik. A pastir, dobri, daje svoj zivot za ovce. Kao Bog u primeru pravi Pastir, tako i staresine, kao pastiri skupstine, koji trebaju da pase a ne da gospodare. Kome ovo nije jasno?


Dear Brother/Sister,
Re. Comment 3 from June 3 listing on the website.
Why do you support the Elders work, decision and lordship over the church and the members?
If you cannot give a Biblical explanation to support yourself, and many others that do that, then the following Biblical verses answers your question.
Luke 20:1-8
1And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders, 2And spake unto him, saying, Tell us, by what authority doest thou these things? or who is he that gave thee this authority? 3And he answered and said unto them, I will also ask you one thing; and answer me: 4The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? 5And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then believed ye him not? 6But and if we say, Of men; all the people will stone us: for they be persuaded that John was a prophet. 7And they answered, that they could not tell whence it was. 8And Jesus said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.
God help you to know the Truth and Faith of Jesus Christ in word and DEED!


Dear Brother/Sister,
Re. Comment 5 from June 3 listing on the website:

My Brother or sister in Christ,

I'm not sure I understand your question or your point. I support the work of Elders and their decisions because God's Word instructs us to do so.

Hebrews 13:17 - Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

However, if an Elder's actions are contrary to Biblical teaching/instruction, it is God's Word that is the ultimate authority. Elders are men and, like me, are far from perfect. My point is that God\'s Word is clear about how we are to act towards those who mistreat us. Something must be done to resolve the unfortunate situation in Australia, and I believe the first step is to agree to work together as the North American Elders suggested. No resolution will be brought about by repaying evil for evil or insult for insult as this website does. (1 Peter 3:9)

COMMENT 7 (re Comment 6):

Why are you against this site and against people commenting? You cannot close the mouth of a person who is alive. (No matter what you do to him.)

Nevertheless it is not a good idea for discord among the brethren to be open for the whole world to see.

So if you anyway want to comment, be very very VERY careful what you write. Choose your words carefully. And try to lead/point to things that will lead to the truth and to the Word of God.

31 May 2013 - A topic for discussion: WHAT IS NOT TRUE?
The previous discussion was quite successful, even if some readers were more willing to discuss this website than the given topic. Contrary to what some people believe, we are not avoiding to talk about the website. So let's close the previous topic and start a new one. The new topic's title is: WHAT IS NOT TRUE?

We are aware that there are people out there who are strongly opposing this website, mainly relatives of Paul Pentsa and Janko Tomek and some of their faithful associates. When one asks them about this website, they readily say "Oh, don't believe what they write, those are all lies!" Or they say "NOT ALL there is true." But when asked what is actually false, they dodge the question. It always ends up that way. They never say this, this and that is not true.

So now when the opponents of this website have finally showed their goodwill to communicate, it would be nice if they could also explain what is not true here. But please pay attention: we want FACTS. Instead of whinging and cursing, give us the precise details on what you have found to be incorrect on this website. For example, this is a type of message we expect to get from you: "On 6th of May 2013 you mentioned that Janko Tomek advised the members of Altona 1 not to attend Alinka Hardi's funeral in Adelaide. This is utterly false. He actually said that..." Or, something like this: "Dear Website, it's not true what you said about the 30.000 dollars of church money taken and spent without explanation." Or, like this: "It's not true that Paul Pentsa secretly recorded a church meeting in Sydney, in 2010." Or: "It's not true that Matea Lincu bashed up his wife number of times and still wants to be a minister, with Paul Pentsa backing him up." Or: "It's not true that Christians should never go to court." Or: "It's not true that our membership is decreasing." Etc, etc. 

So please go through all pages on this website and pick what you think is not true. Let's see how many messages will arrive this time.


Ok, I will start. It's not true that Matea Lincu beat up his wife a few times. Everyone seems to know that Ljubica is not all there totally (I'm not blaming her, rather Pentsa, who probably gave her direction to write that letter.) Many of us don't agree with Pentsa but do agree with Matea. Everything else on the site is pretty much all true.
OUR COMMENT: We'll have to insert our own comment here, because people who read our website may think that what you wrote is true and that our website is supporting it. But these are the facts:

1. There is a long history of physical abuse between Matea and Ljubica.
2. The law in Australia does not approve violence towards women, regardless on their mental health. Abusing a mentally ill person is even worse than abusing someone who is mentally all right.

3. Paul Pentsa did not have anything to do with Ljubica's letter. 
4. Ljubica dictated the letter to another person, as a form of protest against abuse and elder's indifference:  English   Serbian 
5. There is some sort of "love triangle" between Ljubica, Matea and Katka Liptak, which was also mentioned in the letter.
6. The letter was translated, copied and sent to all Nazarene households in Australia. This was all happening in 2010.
7. As you can imagine, Paul Pentsa was not happy with the letter, which was undermining his support for Matea as well as his efforts to regain control over Sydney. He rang Ljubica and asked her to confirm the authenticity of the letter, which she did. Those two spent hours on the phone.
8. This however did not change Paul Pentsa's support for Matea, and to this day he recognizes Matea as minister and his splinter group as "the right one".

This is pretty much all that we can share with you about the situation in Sydney at this stage. There is an ongoing court process in the Supreme Court of New South Wales and all details related to this process are legally sensitive. The next hearing is scheduled for 26th of August this year. Let's hope that the dispute over the church building will be resolved. In the meantime, please do not send us any questions or comments regarding the situation in Sydney, we won't be able to post them here.

I think this is a great website. It finally allows people to voice their hurt/pain without being scared of what people will think or say. Many people have suffered unfairly and unjustly through the Australian Nazarene church, and even though they may have left that church, they are still hurting because there has never been a solution or a resolution to the conflict.

We need not keep our own record of trials and difficulties, grief, and sorrows. All these things are written in the books, and heaven will take care of them. While we are counting up the disagreeable things, many things that are pleasant to reflect upon are passing from memory, such as the merciful kindness of God surrounding us every moment and the love over which angels marvel, that God gave His Son to die for us.

If as workers for Christ you feel that you have had greater cares and trials than have fallen to the lot of others, remember that for you there is a peace unknown to those who shun these burdens. There is comfort and joy in the service of Christ. Let the world see that life with Him is no failure. God bless.
"Many awful things have happened in Altona church in the past 40 years or so. But the worst of all is the fact that you guys simply don't like each other and are always judgemental even for trivial matters." This is not correct at all! Altona Church was a vibrant, very spiritual church most of the time! I had a spiritual joy and I've received God's blessings there; His presence and His love, and the Name of the Lord was glorified.

Why is that now that rivers of unhappiness are flowing from everywhere? Shepherds and leaders started to focus more on their prestige than on God! They are neglecting Daughter of Sion and she started to weep.

I believe your website is the truth. You have documents to back it up.

Sadly it has gone this far. Elders in general, with the exception of a very very few, can't think of one right now.... are very corrupt. They are to be our servants... Or are they?? Thus the need for this website to expose them. They do not do God's will. They do there own will. They are merciful to whom they want to be and to others they will punish them before the church and be harsh with them, sometimes for just going against them. People are anonymous for the reason that you will forever be marked if you go aginst them. There is no fear of God in them. You can find more truthful people outside the ACC than you can in most of our Elders. They lie, revenge, punish unjustly and cover up their own sins. But who intervenes when the Elder is caught in sin?? NO ONE. They stick up for each other to the ends of the earth, thus the reason your cries in Australia have fallen on deaf ears. IS IT THAT HARD FOR A FEW ELDER BROTHERS TO GO AND PUT EVERYONE TOGETHER AND AT LEAST TRY TO HEAR THEM OUT? TRY TO MAKE PEACE?

Why didn't the American/Canadian elders uphold the decision to take down Pentsa in 2002? (not sure on the exact year). This website proved over and over that the elder body told Pentsa in nicer words that he was LYING... (that he has not kept his word). Why is he not held accountable for LYING? I know why? Because the elder body carries the same sin as Pentsa and Tomek do. Only God knows what is in their hearts, but what is very evident is that we don't see the fruits of the Spirit in those that are supposed to nurture the sheep.

- It's not true that Elder Paul Pentsa secretly recorded a church meeting in Sydney in 2010.
- It was Paul Pentsa Junior (Paulie) that secretly recorded a church meeting in Sydney in 2010.
- If Elder Paul knew about it, and allowed it to go ahead, doesn't make him free, he is still accountable for that part.
- But Paulie is actually accountable for the recording.
- Everyone is accountable for their own parts.
- Just a note on this.

"But the worst of all is the fact that you guys simply don't like each other and are always judgemental even for trivial matters."

This is false.
The members standing up and voicing their option isn't over trivial matters.
It's over the action of LORDSHIP that Christ Jesus FORBADE.
Jesus commanded be ye servants, not LORDS.
This is not a trivial thing.
Who is Lord? Who are servants?
Are we Lords? Over who? Why do we allow the elders to act as Lords?
Whoever you are that allows the Elders to act as Lords, will also be accountable for your acceptance of the Elders' sin.
Or, are we servants to somebody? And servants under somebody?
Who is the Somebody?
God is head of Jesus Christ. Christ is HEAD of the church (not elders). Husbands are heads over the wife. This is Biblical.
Christ is our Lord and the Lord. Every elder is a member on the body, not the head, never was, nor can ever be. So, don't act that way dear Elders, and the members and the church MUST not support them in this.
Who cannot see this?

My reply to comment 4. I don't know who you are and for how long you have been a member of Altona Church but I know the things that have happened there which are impossible to deny if we are honest. In 1972, 5 brothers were disciplined as if they were the main culprits of the time. They were: Djura Tutus Sr., Misa Gubecka, Joca Muncan, Andrija Ruzeu and Kondrad Nitz. Brother Mate Gavlik was removed from ministry without a justified cause. He was a wonderful and most sincere Nazarene I have met in Australia. In 1974 a turmoil was caused due to the building plans. Even though virtually the whole church supported Vladimir Vujicic with his idea to alter the plan of the building he, his wife and Zlatko Pasula were sternly rebuked by Kozy and my grand uncle Steve Nenadovic. Steve even compared my dad to Aaron and that he has cast a church door [referring to the proposed change of the plan for the building] to Aaron's casting of the golden calf. In 1978 further turmoils took place and as a result 12 members were disciplined and Nebojsa Cucanic expelled by bullies Kozy and Steve Nenadovic. As a result, Vlada Cucanic got offended and stopped coming to church. During those years I remember how much animosity there was between certain members and just how much gossiping took place. This is an indisputable fact. If the church was so spiritual how is it that certain members were not even communicating among themselves? Zora Tutus and the Nadjalins HATED Janko Stefanides and Kondrad Nitz. On one occasion there was singing at Djura Tutus' house [Saturday night] and Janko Stefanides also was present. Zarko Nadjalin told Janko Stefanides to get out of the house. I don't want to refer to various injustices that took place and how sins of some were exposed in front of the church while those of others were hidden. I remember how Rosie Tomes was humiliated in front of the church and how she was pressured to reveal every single thing that she did while the sin of Janko Kiska Sr. was hidden and Kozy did not want to reveal it to the church when he was reinstating him 8 years after being expelled. There are too many awful things that I could refer to but this is enough to show that Altona Church was far from being spiritual. I am sure that many members who are still alive and who remember these years would testify that what I have written is true.

John Vujicic

Just a short reply on Comment 7. When I said "trivial matters" I was not referring to big issues that you refer. But rather how through years the Nazarenes not only in Altona but worldwide could not agree even on mixed seating, head covering and what it should be, and such things. As a result, the difference of opinion has caused dislikes and animosity and splits worldwide. There was a minister in Altona who believed that it was a sin to preach from the pulpit when the microphone was switched on. These are for me trivial things but I do not take sides. Just wanted to clarify my position. I wish you guys all the best and hope that your sorrows will come to an end. I will probably not comment anymore unless it becomes absolutely necessary from my point of view. God bless.

John Vujicic

John Vujicic, you are spot on. Abuse, abuse, abuse. Steve Nenadov didn't expel his daughter but he sure did others that left the faith. Kozy did a lot of wrong and so on and so on. The thing is, they have all the power and the members are just pawns. Great examples of that by John Vujicic. The question is... how can the elders be held accountable?

First of all, I think this web site has done a lot of good to all the members that are afraid to speak up, out of fear of punishment. It is about time that these evil people are exposed.
Referring to Ljubica and Matia's case. What Ljubica has stated is utterly true (I have known her for a very long time). Matija has been abusing Ljubica from the beginning of their married life. He knew that Ljubica had a slight mental problem. Why did he then marry her? Instead of helping his wife (in sickness and health) overcome her problems he added to them. MY sympathy goes out to her. Wishing her peace and well being.
Also referring to Comment 8 by John Vujicic... His comments are spot on.
There was a lot of bickering and abusing going on during that time.
Also it is true that $30,000 was taken from the church funds and no explanation was given to the members, for the reason this money was used.
Yes... It is true that the membership has decreased in the last few years.
Once again, please keep this web site going and do not let the manipulating hypocrites continue with their lies.
To John Vujicic: (Please don't be offended by this message)
It’s clear based on your information given regarding some history back in Altona Church, that the Elders have clearly sowed discord among Brethren. The church should not accept these elders anymore, until they confess and seek forgiveness. NOR, should the church accept OTHER elders that still go along and support the unjust work of Kozy & Nenadovic. SO, I cannot state that the church is in fault if the elders sowed discord, or at least, referring to those members that haven’t gone this way nor accepted what the elders attempted, and succeeded with some of the members in the church.
These are my brothers and sisters and mother to listen and obey.
Not all Israel are the children of Israel.

Proverbs 6:16-19.
St.Luke 8:21.
Romans 9:6.
Isaiah 9:15,16.

You have the membership numbers wrong. The family in Brisbane who came over from DS had three members, not one. The blue book of phone numbers also lists Mile and his wife Mira Ljubinovic who are not members. There are other errors as well, but it is your responsibility to find and fix it.

And for anyone ignorant, it's technically not illegal to record a group conversation especially if someone knows they are recorded and it is for personal use.
OUR COMMENT: This is a beginning of a long message (anonymous of course) with some FACTS, but the rest can be classified as "whinging and cursing" against this website's mission and therefore will not be posted. This and some other e-mails indicate that people from the Pentsa camp have chosen a new tactics against this website – clotting it with very long messages, Biblical quotes, etc. That's not going to work so please don't bother. The same person wrote:

"By continuing this site, the elders seem more meek because they are silent and not attacking."

LOL! They have not been so meek and silent in the past, prosecuting people for nothing and pursuing their political agendas. But now when they are experiencing a counterattack, they are suddenly "meek and silent". Don't worry, we will make them even more meek and silent. It's good for their souls.

"There will be a baptism soon, what a beautiful testimony that the Lord is still loving and forgiving in the dark days."

Yes, we already know that the "Two-Face" Paul Pentsa is preparing a baptism in Brisbane, probably in August, and probably on the same week as the hearing in Sydney is scheduled. Lovely.

...it's technically not illegal to record a group conversation especially if someone knows they are recorded and it is for personal use."

You are lying and you know that. It was a secret tape recording and it wasn't for personal use but to be used on court.

Hahaha to whoever said that Melbourne used to be a peaceable loving church!! Please... let's be real. When the church was being built in 1974, there was absolute WAR over the dispute of whether the benches should have backs on them or not. And that's just ONE of the matters.
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