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29 May 2013 - A topic for discussion: TURNING A BLIND EYE
There is something we would like to discuss with all our readers. We would greatly appreciate your comments on the following question: Why do people normally sit stil and say nothing when they see that there is an injustice in the church? Or when they see that the leadership is doing something contrary to what the Bible teaches us?
Is it fear? Is it conformity? People don't want to be labeled as troublemakers?
Does it feel "safer" when you "do nothing"? Does it pay to be silent? Is that a part of our "survival skills"?
Is it Biblical? Does it please the Lord?
What is your thought on this?
Excellent question on your site!!!
Christ’s life of humiliation should be a lesson to all who desire to exalt themselves above others.

Christ did not exalt people by ministering to their pride. He humbled Himself, and became obedient to death, even the death of the cross. Unless human pride is humbled and subdued, unless the stubborn heart is made tender by the Spirit of Christ, it is not possible for Him to impress His divine similitude upon us...

He came to our world in humility, in order to show that it is not riches or position or authority or honorable titles that the universe of heaven respects and honors, but those who will follow Christ, making any position of duty honorable by the virtue of their character through the power of His grace...

No human being is warranted to uplift self in pride. “For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.” Isaiah 57:15

“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.” –Proverbs 9:10

“Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.” –1 Peter 2:17

“Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.” –Ecclesiastes 12:13

Your choices will be determined by what you fear the most.  If you have a higher concern for what other people think of you, your choices will be controlled by that which is why the accn church in Melbourne is falling apart. There are those that are against these dictators but won’t defend the truth because they fear man! I am really shocked on how so many can be led by such a deceitful man (Janko Tomek). How blind can people be? Defend the truth!

1 Kings 10:1-3.
1. And when the queen of Sheba heard of the fame of Solomon concerning the name of the LORD, she came to prove him with hard questions.
2. And she came to Jerusalem with a very great train, with camels that bare spices, and very much gold, and precious stones: and when she was come to Solomon, she communed with him of all that was in her heart.
3. And Solomon told her all her questions: there was not any thing hid from the king, which he told her not.

(There is absolutely no reason that anyone CAN'T question any member about)

Ezekiel 33:3-7.
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

(Elders can't warn the people if they are sleeping spiritually, or have fallen asleep spiritually.)

St.Matthew 13:24,25.
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

re. Being 'SOBER'

1 Thessalonians 5:6
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Is your website Biblical? Does it please the Lord? I think not. The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control. It is obvious that you have been wronged; I do not dispute that. However, I see no evidence of the Spirit here as described in Galations 5. Is this how Jesus acted towards those who mistreated Him? Where is the humility described in COMMENT 1? You ask why people sit still and say nothing, but you hide behind a website anonymously. You question why there are no signatures on the letter from the elders, but you won't identify yourself. Am I the only one who sees the hypocracy here? Although it is highly unlikely that you will post my comment and respond, I challenge you to explain how this website is Biblical and pleasing to the Lord. I am very interested in hearing your thought on this.
>>>The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control.

Amen! And there is still some goodness and patience left among the Nazarenes in Australia. If we are like this world, and seeing how estranged, angry and depressed people have become, mark these words, there would be a bloodshed.
Praise the Lord - people in Australia are not allowed to carry weapon like the folks in America. That's why the Elders in USA are a bit more pleasant than P.Pentsa and J.Tomek, being afraid that someone may shoot them.
Very interesting comment 3 for 29 May 2013. Another hypocrite criticizing the one that is hiding behind the website anonymously, but he or she whoever you are wrote this comment,didn't identify yourself either. Don't you realize you hiding behind this website too? It would be interesting to know who are you? Jesus said: THE WAY YOU JUDGE OTHERS, YOU WILL BE JUDGED ALSO.
I wonder why you don't make a poll of how many *members* believe this website is a farce and how many actually commend it? How would the statistics fare? I absolutely do not support the motives or people behind this site and think it is awful you happily lambast member after member and minister and elder likewise who refuse to adhere to the tenet's of your site. How can you make a site saying you speak for Australian Nazarene's when I know you do not speak for me? In fact, by your own words, I should be re-baptized? Are the people who run this site free members? Most members I have spoken to also agree with me.

This website is a joke, you put your hopes on the American Elder's and were rightly refused. You were told by numerous members and ex-members to take down this site and you reply that you will delete these comments. You now put your hopes on some European elders who you think will back your claims. What of the hymns we sing? Verses about unity and peace? Suffering with good cheer? Being contented?

As for your questions, if I am in church listening to a lovely sermon the last thing I want to hear is some member attacking another member in front of me. It is not biblical, nor is it edifying for the body. I make an effort to stand up and walk out. I literally feel ill. It is ignorant and uncomfortable to hear such hostilities on God's day. The day we should set aside such dealings and unite in His love and worship him wholly.

It amazes me to see so many people hiding their identity. I know that Nazarene Elders can be bullies and take matters in their own hands - disciplining and even expelling whoever they wish - without the consent of the church and even against the wishes of the church. I have seen what Kozy did and especially my grand uncle Steve Nenadovic, who even dared to pray that God would erase the name of a person from the Book of Life whom he was expelling. But do we serve God or men? Will we stand before Elders on the Judgement Day or before God? I pray that the bullying Elders may find favour and forgiveness from God. But if you guys want to achieve something and to be heard then you should stand up unified and identify yourselves without fearing men. God is above all. Anonymous comments don't have much weight since anyone could have written them. Elders are to blame a lot but the people are also very difficult to deal with. Different opinions, beliefs, traditions, etc,. Churches are falling apart, clubs, countries, homes, marriages... so there is no much hope that your sorrows will be soon resolved. I thank God that I am no longer associated with the Nazarene Church. I love you guys and still have some dear and fond memories of the past. But the church is sinking by the head - just like the Titanic. For your sake I hope that there will be a Carpathia coming soon to rescue all those of you who are genuinely wanting a fellowship where God would be number one.
John Vujicic
When an elder mistreats you, expels you without the church, disciplines you without a Biblical cause of sin, or for any other unrighteous way, then come back to the website to put your concern down.

At least you will have members supporting you in this way. Most church members won’t support you and stand up for the right in this case, as the elders will most probably want to discipline all those members that back you up too (if they fear what elders can judge unrighteously, but forget to fear God that can judge righteously).

If people are concerned for others being anonymous, that’s fair enough, and most people can understand that comment, and it is a valid thing to bring up.
Your concern definitely is valid, and if you want to make this website cease operation, there would be a number of things we can counsel you to do, or at least attempt to do.
 1). Talk to the elders and implement them to call a general brothers meeting, Australia wide, and have discussions, obviously more than once, on the ISSUES that has led people posting a website like this one.
 2). YOU stand up in church for the right, when there is unrighteousness. YOU prove your faith in deeds. YOU indicate that you don’t fear what elders can do, but indicate with your deeds, that you fear what GOD can do. By doing this you will show clearly that you want to contend for the Faith of Jesus Christ, and that you are seeking for GODS righteousness, not the elder’s interests and or righteousness’s.
 St.Matthew 6:33
 [33] But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;
 Jude 1:3
 [3] Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
COMMENT 10 (obviously from the same person who sent Comment 3):
Very interesting that COMMENT 5 did not identify him/herself either. Another hypocrite criticizing the one who was criticizing...and now I'm one! When will it end and at what cost?
That's all nice and beautiful when people say SUFFER WRONG, which the Bible says to do, but from an ELDER?? The SHEPHERD of the SHEEP?? This is disgusting to God, it was not His holy and magnificent plan for the shepherds to beat their sheep with rods until they are bruised and broken, and even dying (leaving the sheepfold). They are supposed to be leaders and  Jesus states that all who come not through HIM are thieves and robbers and the sheep HEAR NOT HIS voice. In fact, it even says that they flee from him. SOOOO why in Australia did you not listen to the American elders the FIRST TIME they came, but rather ignored them? and then you want help. You continue to suffer with the elders yet you continue to obey. What does it say in John 10?? THE SHEEP FLEE. I can tell you almost 100% that the European elders will not come into this disaster. They already think that America and Australia are hopeless in the Faith. No, the website is not the answer (I think everyone can agree on that), but when a wolf comes and is scattering the sheep, you almost question, what else is there to do? Sit back and relax at home and skip church and singings when souls continue to fall down the drain?
COMMENT 12 (probably from the same person who sent Comment 5):

Hallo comments 3 and 10!  Comment 5 has no problem with people hiding behind website to criticize them, so I don't consider myself hypocrite. But you were complaining they don’t identify themself, (and you didn't either.) I say again: "IT'S HYPOCRITICAL" When you criticize others; and you do the same. Think before you write. ARRIVEDERCI.
27 May 2013 - Not for public
The letter from the North American Elder Council was not read in any of ACCN churches in Australia, except Altona 2. This is to some extent surprising as the letter was pretty favourable to Paul Pentsa, Janko Tomek and their supporters. They probably did not like the part that says that Altona 2 and Greenbank are also recognized as Nazarene congregations and that elders and ministers should "work together" towards peace and reconciliation.

Although sent exclusively to ministers and elders, the letter was addressed to "All the Apostolic Christian Church (Nazarean) brethren in Australia".
26 May 2013 - European elders to provide counsel
An anonymous reader sent us the following message, addressing certain issues in San Diego and calling for European elders to intervene in Australia.

Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

It’s interesting to note the North American elders do not have the spiritual conviction or interest to counsel the Australian churches but do have interest to command this website be removed. They cannot have it both ways. They should either commit to serve and counsel the Australian churches wholly or not at all. The statement from the 5/23/13 post “The reason for no signature is because no individual elder wrote it” does not make sense. Many Nazarean believers are in possession of historical documents from the North American elders that included all signatures when more than one elder authored the document. These faithful elders who have gone on to their eternal reward in heaven, signed their documents and their communication ”Yea, yea; Nay, nay” was made known to all souls.

It will be a great tragedy if the Australian brethren do not receive counsel from the North American or European elders before the August 26th court hearing between the owners of the Sydney church building and the VCAT between the Altona I and Altona 2 churches. The exhortation in 1 Corinthians 6 is the warning for our generation: "1. Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2. Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?  3. Know ye not that we shall judge angels?  How much more things that pertain to this life? 4. If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5. I speak to your shame.  Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?"

If the Australian churches eventually receive counsel from Nazarean elders across the continent, these leaders must be impartial and without sin. If there is any truth to the 5/19/13 post about the San Diego - Vista church having illegals worshipping in their congregation, then any future intervention would be fruitless and without the Lord’s blessing.

During World Wars I and II, our Nazarean brethren were imprisoned in Europe for not bearing arms and swearing oaths. These precious souls immigrated to North America with the hope of building a better life for their families and worshipping our Lord in freedom. Despite overwhelming persecution, these believers moved to North America with little more than the clothes on their backs along with their good names and reputations.

They diligently obeyed the laws of the land and often placed their families at great financial risk when they sponsored and co-signed for other believers to move to North America. Many of the sponsored believers could not find work to support their families during the Great Depression and World Wars, and were forced to rely upon charity from impoverished believers. Public assistance or welfare did not exist in that era and yet our believers trusted God for their daily provision and did not circumvent the law by working illegally, getting paid under the table or evading income taxes. The Vista church is fortunate that the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) does not show up some Sunday to raid the church and remand those into custody, as demonstrated in other American cities. If any of the Vista elders or believers have knowledge of undocumented members in their church and do nothing to rectify the situation – then they are partakers of that sin.

If there is any impediment or sin that prevents the North American elders from serving the Australian brethren, it may be the Lord’s leading for the European elders to intervene.
25 May 2013 - Why It Is Imperative To Forgive
John Vujicic, Boris' brother, wanted us to publish his e-mail message, together with his article "Why It Is Imperative To Forgive", which you can read here (click to open the page).
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 9:15 AM, John Vujicic <johnvuj@live.com.au> wrote:

Solomon said that there is nothing new under the sun and that what was, shall be. How right! In Yugoslavia, after the split which was led by Doroslovac and Triva, the Nazarenes built the wall in the church so that they could have a separate service at the same time, since they could not agree how to split their finances. As a result, the communist government published in the official papers the following statement: "As a result of great love, the Nazarenes built a wall so that they would not see each other."

Altona church did not build a wall but held separate services in the same building. Now our newspapers here should publish and say that the Nazarenes out of great zeal for their traditions appeal to the Tribunal to help them resolve their differences. Nazarenes sewing Nazarenes in Melbourne and Sydney. How about the words of Jesus: "if someone wants to take your shirt, give him a coat also?"

You guys on this Website blame Paul Pentsa and Janko Tomek as if they are the main culprits of the Nazarene sorrows in Australia. Hey, guys! Even if they were removed from their positions, that would not solve your sorrows. In fact, even if all elders in the world were replaced by new ones, that itself could not solve your problems and sorrows. Why? Because the problem lies with the people and not only the elders. You want the Elder Body of America to help you and solve your problems. But are you guys blind? Can't you see that they can't solve the problems and schisms in their own country?

From their point of view, and from mine also, you have had many elders through the years and not even one was good for you guys. Beginning with Babin and Azlen Sr., then Andy Kozy and Steve Nenadovic, George Pavkov, Mike Azlen Jr., Steve Sakach, Frank Sabo, Fred Gonglach, Steve Burcar, John Popp, Vic Schlatter, Rex Noi and some from ex Yugoslavia. Not one of them was good and could help. Why? Because of the diverse ideas among you people. Some are ultra conservative, others are too liberal and still others in between. No elder, and in fact, NO MAN could please ALL OF YOU. As soon as he takes one side, he would be rejected and despised by another.

Many awful things have happened in Altona church in the past 40 years or so. But the worst of all is the fact that you guys simply don't like each other and are always judgemental even for trivial matters. I will not point out anything nor many injustices done to certain people - including myself - because I have forgiven everything and left it all in the grave. Bringing it up again would mean that things are not forgiven. You guys don't need a new elder nor the removal of Pentsa or Tomek or anyone else for that matter. What you guys need is a new heart that is willing to forgive and love even those who are difficult. Everyone can love and get along with a good elder or a good brother and sister but Jesus told us that we must love our enemies and pray for them and bless those who curse us. Is Pentsa difficult? So what! Love him and let him be. Everyone will reap what he sows. Jesus said that wheat and tare should grow together. You are not angels and reapers to separate tare from wheat.

Perhaps the worst statement on your website is that Janko Tomek does not even care for the salvation of his OWN SOUL, so how could he care for the salvation of others. This is a weighty statement. Do you guys know his heart? Do you really and truly believe that he does not care for his own eternal destiny? If you do, then you must think that he is the son of darkness. It amazes me that you Nazarenes in general considered a taboo any little thing that was regarded as "worldly" and have expelled some for certain things - including me - but have never cared for the greatest sin that plagues the churches, namely CAUSING STRIFE AND SOWING DISCORD AMONG BROTHERS. I think I have said enough and in conclusion all I can say is that what is happening among you guys is a DISGRACE and SHAME. I have written an article entitled "Why It Is Imperative To Forgive" and I believe that you guys should read it and publish it so that others can read it as well. For this is the only way to be at PEACE and stop digging the PAST and be in HARMONY with the BRETHREN. Yes, even those who are difficult. Let God be the Judge, for He alone knows the hearts of men.

John Vujicic

[I have no objection to reveal my name and e-mail]

OUR COMMENT: Thank you for your message and article. Yes, you are right, it is not enough to just depose the old leadership to the junkyard of history. We all need to change our habits. But hey, things do change! You just need to see how much the situation has changed in the past six months, since we started this website. People are now less afraid and willing to raise their voice and say what bothers them. We have passed the point of no return - things will never be the same. Where is this leading to? The history can teach us many things. Consider for example the recent history of Russia. Towards the mid-eighties the Russians have still lived in Stalinism, with the whole society immersed in corruption and people afraid to speak up. Then they had "Glasnost" (Openness, Loudness) when people got the opportunity to discuss their problems without fear of being punished. After that they had "Perestroika" (Restructuring) which brought new people and fresh ideas. It did not go smooth, but after some years of struggle and hardship, Russia showed signs of improvement and the country is now progressing economically and in pretty much every other way. What about us in Australia? We as a faith are currently abandoning "Stalinism" and entering the stage of "Glasnost". Then inevitably comes "Perestroika". It is not going to be easy, but at the end it will be better. God willing.

About John Vujicics' message! Why did you even post it on the website? It's a waste of time. Half of the things he does not know what he's going on about, he just wants to justify his brother Boris Vujicic. This problem with Paul Pentsa and Janko Tomek is not about forgiving, but people don't want to live under dictatorship, where Elder or assistant Elder has partiality towards individual members.

OUR COMMENT: Unlike Pentsa and Tomek, we do not put people in the rubbish bin. Let everyone have their say. Every man/woman is a child of God. Every church member is an asset. Everyone has received some gift from God. Church dictators do not see that, they are only interested in "order". They tend to reduce people to furniture. And as long as you behave like a piece of furniture, indeed, that's what you are. You sit there on Sunday like a piece of wood, you pray, you sing a few songs, and you go home. The early Apostolic church was much more than that. But that's another topic. When it comes to this website, the messages we publish here do not necessarily reflect our own opinion. People have a right to have their own way of thinking. We will publish everyone's message as long as it's not: 1.) rude, 2.) pointless, 3.) against God.

COMMENT  2: John Vujicic also replied: 
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 5:28 PM, John Vujicic <johnvuj@live.com.au> wrote:

Just a short reply on the comment that I have posted in order to justify my brother Boris. Boris and I disagree on many issues and for years have never even discussed any biblical issue. I am estranged from the Nazarene church for some 25 years and why should I care what Boris does? What he does is his own affair and has nothing to do with me. As to the statement that there is nothing to forgive but rather the issue is not willing to live under dictators, I have only this to say: replace one dictator another will come. If you don’t agree with the system or cannot submit to the dictators then “come out of her [Babylon] my people so that you will not receive of her plagues” [Rev. 18:4]. May it be known to you all that I have left the Keilor Church because of some major doctrinal issues and that the main crunch came because of Boris and Ivan Jurisic. So why then would I write to justify my brother? I love him and I have forgiven him and all of you for the injustices done to me. I have written what I have written not to justify Boris but to point out that the solution is not blaming others but rather to either accept the situation and make the best of it or else come out and have peace with God and forget old grudges. I do not intend to bombard this Website but only felt that I should say that justifying my brother Boris was the last thing on my mind. One thing is to disagree with me and criticise me – that does not bother me. But another is to say that I am trying to justify someone, implying dishonesty. I hold no grudge but simply wanted to straighten out the misconception. As far as not knowing about Pentsa and Tomek I can only say that I am aware of much more than commonly supposed.
Can I add something regarding email from John Vujicic.......? John stated that there was some split in Yugoslavia led by Doroslovac and Triva. In the Novi Sad church, the split was actually led by elders Katona, Gicanov, Muric, Tubic, Nenadov, Vanka. This group was locking the church doors, and changing the door locks so the Doroslovac group couldn't get in the church building for church services on Sundays. It looked like Tomek and Pentsa were getting to a stage in wanting to do the same to Altona 2. Or still may, just in a different way from back then. It seemed that the Doroslovac group was in the wrong, as it seems that Altona 2 is in the wrong.

Every time I read this website I feel huge pain in my chest. God is not glorified at all. Daughter of Sion is abused by her leaders for so long and badly neglected.
Satan knows how to inflict wounds; some churches he is destroying like this; other churches by bringing them to "liberal" levels and watering down the Truth so much that is almost nothing left. No wonder people are spiritually empty, trying to accept "enjoyments" from this world more and more and Christian Churches are almost empty.
"Do you love me, Peter?" Jesus was asking 3 times. Why? Because Peter was saying "Yes" and Jesus knew it was "all talk" only. No real commitments. Where are you, shepherds?

24 May 2013 - Practice what you preach, Brother Boris
Boris Vujicic's e-mail has created new controversies. We received the following comments:


I am not talking for or against Bro. Paul Pentsa here, as this has nothing to do with Bro. Paul Pentsa. I have something to say about the letter Bro. Boris Vujicic wrote. What Bro. Boris wrote in his letter is good, but I have a problem with HIM being the person who said it. HOW can Bro. Boris Vujicic tell the members in Australia to do what he said in his letter, when HE HIMSELF could not do it? It disgusts me to read that letter from Bro. Boris and makes my blood boil.  If this letter came from an Elder who lived a righteous life, was humble, was holy, was honest, who was peaceful, who "practiced what he preached", then I would be more inclined to listen. But neither Bro. Boris Vujicic nor Bro. Arnold Baumann "practice what they preach". Bro. Boris Vujicic hated Bro. Paul Pentsa when Boris lived in Australia. Bro. Boris did everything to separate himself from Bro. Paul Pentsa, he did not accept Paul Pentsa and he could NOT work with Paul Pentsa. They themselves had "irreconcilable differences". What did he do? He left and made his OWN church, accountable to nobody, did how he pleased, whatever he wanted, drew other members away from the Marsden congregation to join his church, and then he turns around and tells others that THEY must be obedient, peaceful, try to reconcile, etc, etc, etc. What a hypocrite! Bro. Boris said in his own words that he "cannot work with Bro. Ivan Jurisic", so he moved to Brisbane, Queensland. Bro. Boris said in his own words that he "cannot work with Bro. Paul Pentsa", so he made his OWN church. And now, Bro. Boris has moved to California, for whatever reason it may be.

Please Boris... DON’T tell us over here in Australia how to live when WE KNOW WHAT YOU WERE LIKE and the things you did. It makes me sick to my stomach to hear him say those words and to STILL be regarded highly from the American Elders? I think not.
Bro. Arnold Baumann was a MINISTER in Marsden congregation and he himself could NOT be humble, nor peaceful, nor obedient to the Elder Bro. Paul Pentsa, but was stubborn, self willed, and could not give in and wanted his own way. He too is a hypocrite to try to tell us here in Australia how we should live, when HE HIMSELF could not do it. Oh please! Now that Arnold is an Elder as well, and has his own church, and does what he pleases, it’s easy for him to preach to others what to do... Well, all I have to says is practice what you preach... otherwise, don’t preach at all!

I read the letter that Bro. Arnold wrote as well, and what he said is good advice, but I have a problem with HIM as well being the person that said it. Total hypocrisy. Elders are going to be accountable to God? Oh Yes! What is bound on earth is bound in Heaven? Oh Yes! And that not only goes for discipline of sin, that goes for the actions and behaviours and all the other things that Elders have done on earth. Think about it... if Elders on Earth have ruined anyone’s life, if they have been unjust and unfair, if they have done anything other than practice what they preach, if they have caused divisions and separations of the congregation, if they have twisted the Word of God to suit themselves, if they have done anything on Earth that has made a mark, whether good or bad, THAT will be bound in Heaven. What if Elders have made big mistakes... will that be bound in Heaven? The word of God says so. I wonder how many Elders think about that?

Bro. Boris Vujicic separated the churches when he was in Australia, and now that he's in California he's trying to reconcile them. If Bro. Boris wants us to reconcile, let him be a leader and example first, as he stated in his letter, and let his own church in Greenbank be reconciled back to Marsden Church.
It is known that Bro. Boris Vujicic is the elder for Altona 2 and takes care of them. Therefore, it is his responsibility to come back to Australia and sit down with Bro. Paul Pentsa, Bro. Janko Tomek, Bro. Vlada Papuga and Bro. Miodrag Cucanic and reconcile their differences.
23 May 2013 - An e-mail from Boris Vujicic
Elder Brother Boris Vujicic (if he's still an elder, we are not sure what his status is), currently residing in California, sent us the following e-mail:

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Boris Vujicic <borisvujicic@hotmail.com> wrote:

Please be advised that the letter from the committee is authentic and was a resolution at the April 2013 Elders meeting. The reason for no signature is because no individual elder wrote it. The committee brothers drafted it and was endorsed by all elders prior to being posted to all ministers and elders in Australia.

Firstly, the purpose of the letter is to remind and appeal to all, especially elders and ministers there, to undertake responsibility as leaders to work towards peace and reconciliation (Eph 4:1-6; Rom 12:18).

Secondly, it is evident that there is utterly fault among Australian brotherhood as Apostle Paul determined among Corinthians, for where there is strife and divisions among brethren there is every evil thing. (1 Cor 6:1-13; James 3:13-18) The purpose of the letter is for all to respect and accept each other and seek the benefit of his neighbour. (Phil 3:2-5; Rom 15:5-7)

Thirdly, the websites, litigations, courts, pay back systems and taking justice into one's own hands is not the way Christians ought to resolve their differences. (1 Cor 6:1; 1 Pet 3:8-11; Resolutions are to be achieved through humility, love and peace on those who seek and pursue peace, and ultimately reconciliation is achieved through personal approach, confession and forgiveness. (James 3:18; Matt 18:15-18, 21-22; Eph 4:32; Heb 12:14-15)

I therefore implore you to cease with the public website as a means to peace and reconciliation and rather make efforts to meet together and seek ways of reconciliation with those who seek peace. If after having done so there appear irreconcilable differences, you may appeal and agree to the involvement of a third party mediation by brothers and/or elders. Christlike attitude, forgiveness, reconciliation and peace begins with us first and not from another. So be a leader and example to others in good. (Matt 7:12; 1 Tim 4:11-12; Rom 12:19-21)

Hoping that you and others will take the lead in turning the other cheek and endeavour to maintain peace and unity as God is the ultimate Judge and Rewarder to all. (Rev 22:12; 1 Cor 4:5-6)

In Christian love,

Boris Vujicic
OUR COMMENT: So, Brother Boris Vujicic is telling us, probably from his own experience, that we simply need to make an effort and talk to the elders (Paul Pentsa, Andrew Szabo, Janko Tomek) and everything will be cool. Yeah, right. Brother Boris, you know as we know, that we wouldn't have ever come to this situation in Australia if they really wanted to talk and listen. They do not listen to anyone. It's been almost six months since we started this website and we have not seen a single sign of good will coming from Paul Pentsa or his associates. Not that we really expected any. We know Paul Pentsa well enough. He won't talk about the problems. And even if he agrees to sit and talk, what's the point? The man is pathologically stubborn and he's not going to change one bit. He never gives up. He will never say "I have done this and that wrong." He will never say "I apologize." Never, ever. It is impossible. We know that, everyone in Australia knows that. And even if, let's imagine, we somehow force him to make some sort of compromise, then again, what's the point when we all know he will not stick to it. He will later say "Oh, I don't remember that", or "Oh, that's not what we said." Paul Pentsa is a liar. We have caught him lying many times and it's even documented. In 2006, a group of North American elders sent him this letter (click to open) and said:

"The elder body is very disappointed that you Bro. Paul have not honored your word..." - just a nice way to say "Bro. Paul you are a liar".

The root of all evil in Australia's ACCN is Paul Pentsa. He either directly caused the current problems, or failed to resolve the problems which already existed. This is because he always takes sides, supporting those who support him. Wherever he interferes, he leaves a mess. The ACCN church in Australia has no future with Paul Pentsa. As long as Paul Pentsa is an elder, this website will not be removed. As long as there are threats, court cases, solicitors, churches for sale - this website will not be removed. As long as there are lies, splits, broken families, shunned people, this website will not be removed. As long as there are tears, heartaches, cries for justice, this website will not be removed. From now on, any e-mail or anonymous message that begins with "Please remove the website..." will be deleted without reading.

We have received multiple confirmations that the letter from the Elder Council (see 18th of May) is genuine. The North American elders are washing their hands and condemning our calls for justice. No doubt, this is a huge victory for Paul Pentsa and Janko Tomek.
22 May 2013 - Nine elders, zero answers
A reader wrote: Can you please tell us who received the (Elder) letter? Was it mailed to Pentsa and Tomek and was it read to the churches? Something is fishy about it. Why would not one elder write and confirm that it indeed is real or it is a hoax?

Was it mailed to Pentsa and Tomek? We do not know. It would be pointless to ask Paul Pentsa. Janko Tomek is now on his way to Europe. He will stay there for a couple of weeks, probably to visit his relatives in Padina (Serbia) and, some people say, to try to make some arrangements with the Euro-elders in regards of becoming an elder himself. And here is our e-mail that we have sent to nine North American elders. So far, no response.

from:   ACCN Australia <accnaustralia@gmail.com>
to:   savin@sympatico.ca, dushko@hotmail.com, mpalanacki@city.windsor.on.ca, donkusicki@gmail.com, james.igic@gmail.com, mark.igic@gmail.com, gbodjanac@yahoo.com, freund.rob@gmail.com, romanpentsa@yahoo.com
date:   Tue, May 21, 2013 at 9:19 AM
subject:   Your letter to Australian brethren?

Dear Elders,

We ACCN members in Australia need to know if the letter received from the "Elder Council" is genuine or a hoax?

If you do not know what letter, it is published here: http://www.accn-australia.com/

Please answer a.s.a.p.

In our Lord,
Australian Nazarenes
ACCN Australia Website
And this is a very interesting e-mail sent by Daniel Pasula from Melbourne:
from:   Daniel Pasula <danielpasula@icloud.com>
to:   ACCN Australia <accnaustralia@gmail.com>
date:   Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:41 AM
subject:   Wow!

Hi there :)

I stumbled onto this site via Facebook. Wow!

23 years after leaving my parents home and the ACCN cult that I was raised in, I read this and I feel sick. It's so sad to see that nothing has changed :(

I was taught - love, kindness, compassion, generosity, forgiveness and humility, but I saw - egoism, hypocrisy, lies, materialism, separatism, jealousy and slander, to name a few.

Oh well, it was a nice microcosm to learn in. Power hungry men with their fear tactics, indoctrination and humility....  LOL, definitely no humility :) Seriously, break that fear and you will be "free indeed".

I don't see anything on CLF, the ex ACCN church in Keilor Downs. That's another story of a smooth operator and a nice little property acquisition.... LOL

Oh boy, all the memories flood back, unfortunately they're not very nice. What an absolute disgrace revealed, organized religion is. If that's all I had to know about God - I'd be an Atheist.

Thank God I can find Him/Her/Them in my heart.

Peace and Love to all the Earth and its inhabitants.

PS. If you post this, feel free to print my name.

UPDATE: Now when Daniel mentioned the "good old days" of ACCN in Melbourne, we thought it would be the right moment to show you this church directory of Janko Tomek's splinter group that used to worship in a primary school in Hoppers Crossing. The booklet was printed in 1993. All up 9 members, including Janko and his wife. Wherever is Janko, of course, there's the "right way"... 


Just read the email sent by Daniel Pasula.
He hit the nail on the head... Nothing has changed.
I also grew up in the Nazarene era and know exactly what Daniel is talking about.
I had the courage to leave that group, and I do not regret it one bit.
I have found GOD and am free to worship without fear and punishment.
21 May 2013 - Sorry, is this yours?
Yesterday (20th of May) was another record day - 259 visits, 136 unique visitors. Sorted by country: Australia 194, United States 46, Canada 10, Germany 3, Serbia 3, one from Malaysia, the Philippines and Sweden. First 10 cities: Melbourne 129, Brisbane 33, Sydney 25, Cleveland 10, Sterling Heights 9, Salem 9, Adelaide 6, Brunswick 5, Kitchener 3, Toronto 3. All up, 33 cities across the world. Impressive, isn't it? We expect these numbers to be even higher when we soon start advertising our website in Australian newspapers and other public media.

Back to "The Letter". Many of us in Australia believe that the letter may be some sort of hoax. This is why we need our North American brothers and sisters to help us a bit - please, print out the letter, find your local elder and simply ask him "Hey, is this yours?" Our own efforts to contact Savin, Igic, Freund, Palanacki, Dragojlovic, etc. and get some information from them were fruitless.

And now your newly arrived comments:


Micah the Morasthite prophesied in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah, and spake to all the people of Judah, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Zion shall be plowed like a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of a forest.  Jeremiah 26:18  

This prophecy was fulfilled long time ago. But, what about if these words of prophecy are still valid for this generation?

Our ACC has all credentials to go that way too! Still, even if Sion is destroyed our Elder's Body will probably say;" WE DO NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED".

Darkness is slowly covering the New Testament Church. Lord, we need You more than ever before!


To you all in Australia:-
- Altona 2
- Supporters of Altona 2
- That do not agree with Elder Brother Pentsa & followers
- That battle for the truth

re. Jude 1:4,6.
[4] For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
[6] And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

It should be clear to you all in Australia by now, that verse 4 (as reference to men (elders included) that have crept in unawares, ....and that were ordained for this condemnation....), can be clearly referred to Elder Brother Pentsa AND ALL NORTH AMERICAN Elders that have supported the letter posted on the website May 18th and likewise verse 6. (....the angels (as reference to elders) which kept not their first estate....)


Because of these references:

Isaiah 59:14,15.
[14] And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
[15] Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.


Amos 8:11,12.
[11] Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:
[12] And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

COMMENT 3 (in Serbian):

Zao mi je sta se desava kod naroda Bozijeg. I ja sam jedna koja se pitam kako mislimo stati pred Gospoda, zar nemamo Duha koji nas uci sta znaci biti veran. Procitamo 1 Korincanima 13 stih. Ne zelim nikog da sudim ali mi je tesko. Molite se Gospodu da ne bude kasno.


I was very disappointed to read the letter from the elders (I presume that it's the original letter and not a hoax) that they have given up on the poor Australian members, who are seeking help and justice. How can the elders believe in the word of God, and still believe that they are doing the right thing? Such hypocrisy. As far as I can remember, it has always been a big problem with the mentality of the Nazarene members. That the elders in the Nazarene faith are put up on such a high pedestal by members, and they are treated like Gods. That's why Pentsa and his followers can do as they please, because nobody has the courage to stand up for the truth. What's more important? Standing up for the truth, and the word of God, or be afraid to be put under discipline? I pray that God will help the true believers, and not let the Pentsa mob get their way. If everybody reads the same Bible, there should not be any conflicts between the elders and the members. They should all believe and follow the word of GOD.
19 May 2013 - From Florida with Love
We still do not know who wrote the controversial letter and where are the signatures? Someone suggested that Roman Pentsa, Paul Pentsa's brother from Florida, USA, wrote the letter. That would explain why the letter was not signed. We are asking: WHO WROTE THE LETTER? Name and surname, please!

In the meantime, your comments keep coming. For new visitors: you can contact us on our e-mail accnaustralia@gmail.com but you can also use our contact form (at the bottom of this page) for anonymous messages. Simply type in or copy/paste your message and click the Submit button. The website will then forward your message to our e-mail address and there will be no way that we or anyone else could see who you are or where you are from.


Well the Elders have made it loud and clear that if you don't listen to them they will "simply withdraw from their efforts". So brethren, where ever you find yourself, especially in Australia, DO NOT accept any discipline from an elder and he will leave you alone. Mark Igic has a church in San Diego that is more than 3/4 full of illegals. They overstay their visa, work under the table, yes work under the table, and they get baptized without being returned to their country to make restitution and wait in line like all the others who are trying to come to the U.S. with proper documentation. The American / Canadian elders are a bunch of cowards that they can't even put a name to their letter.

Those of you who find yourselves in the turmoil of the 2 dictators, Pentsa and Tomek, it's time to revolt. It's time to stand your ground. Do not be afraid. The elders have deserted you but God almighty is with you. You have to put your full trust in God and not fear man. God will see you through. You have many praying for you all over the world. To the American / Canadian elders. Shame on you. It's time that the letters start pouring in so that your unrighteous works and deeds come to light.


why have the elders commented regarding people that have posted the website, and havent commented anything at all regarding what that sir pentsa dude and sir tomek dude are doing:
- taking brother to court in sydney?
- selling altona church?
- taking members to court regarding the sale of the altona church?
the elders have concern over the website, but dont have concern on the issues that has led to have a website posted.
dear elders, why?
why is it so easy to be one minded, and one sided, when an elder is in question?
dear elders why?
with tears falling down my cheeks, i simply ask, why?
why is it that you cannot visit members and churches that are pleading for help?
we are sometimes harsh with our wording and harsh on our behaviour, which we confess.
but, why cant you help out in the slightest way at all?
how much more tears do we need to pour out?
can you not see why we are calling for help?
can you only see the website posted, but not see why has it been posted.
how can this be?

18 May 2013 - Elder Council: WE DO NOT WANT TO BE INVOLVED
Here is the letter we were all waiting for [PDF]. It came without any names or signatures, which is strange. What the North American elders say is basically "You are on your own, we do not want to be involved in your affairs". They also condemned this website.

So, that's that. For a moment we were questioning the authenticity of the letter, but the postal seal proves it has been sent from Syracuse, New York.

The return address is: Apostolic Christian Church, PO Box 15416, Syracuse, New York 13215.

In reply to the American "Elders" letter: DEAR ELDERS: We also want to express complete disapproval to YOUR ABHORRENT actions of ignoring our problems. We also wish to implore you to desist from this UNGODLY behaviour. This proves that you elders are not aligned with God's will and you wish for us to fall apart and for the faith to cease in Australia. Well you don't have to wish for too much longer because it is at the doorstep now. We bid farewell to the precious and true faith in Australia, for it will soon be gone.

I'm confused... in the earlier posting you wrote that the Pentsa-Tomek regime was falling apart and NOW I am reading the letter that the elders do not want to be involved???? Wow, Australia is finished. If Pentsa and Tomek ever had power, it's tripled now. Now they will really do what they want and punish everyone and anyone who stands in their way, knowing they answer to no one.  Yes they will answer to God, but they don't care about that.
OH MY! My prayers go out to the poor Australian members who will continue to suffer.
God bless you each one.

ATTENTION ALL!!!! The letter from the elders is INVALID at present, as it has neither signature nor elder names.
ALSO, to add, the letter stated that in May 2007, the elder body withdrew from further efforts on Australian issues.
Well, that could be the case, however, Paul Pentsa was removed from eldership in January 2002.
So, this still stands at present.

Ne mogu da kazu: "We don't want to be involved". Oni su polozili ruke na Paula Pentsu; oni ne mogu da kazu necemo da se mesamo! A s druge strane oni ne mogu da daju ono sto nemaju: Kada bi imali snagu Svetoga Duha; kada bi slusali glas Bozij oni bi vec odavno sredili ovu sramotu.
Cudimo se Katolickoj Crkvi i skandalima svestenika? A sta rade nasi svestenici?
Staresine, ako ste do sada dremali procitajte ovo:

Our sin, regardless of how insignificant it may seem to us, is an assault upon the infinite majesty and sovereign authority of God.
It is a rebellion against God’s authority, a despising of His law, and a defiance of His commands.
We never see sin aright until we see it as against God. All sin is against God in this sense that it is His law that is broken, His authority that is despised, His government that is set at denial.
God is angry at sin not only of its destructiveness, but more importantly, because of its assault upon His divine majesty. It is God’s necessary response to uphold His moral authority in His universe!

Vi staresine, jamacno znate da narod propada. Zar vas nije strah pred Bogom? Vi sada ili nemate Svetog Duha ili Ga ne slusate!

17 May 2013 - The letter is here
The letter from the American and Canadian elders has arrived. It will be scanned and posted here on this website, as soon as possible. We are receiving reports from all sides - there is a great turmoil in both Melbourne and Brisbane. The Pentsa-Tomek regime is falling apart. They are becoming aware that they will not be able to avoid consequences of their lengthy terror. There is no reason to be afraid of them anymore. It is time for everyone to understand that they are just two pitiful, obscure men who abused religion and people just to feed their own ego. Keep checking our website for the latest updates. There will be plenty of new material, showing everyone Pentsa's and Tomek's true nature, how false, cruel, hypocritical and unwise they really are.
UPDATE: Someone commented: We are eagerly awaiting the letter to be posted from the American / Canadian elders. Hope that the end has come for Pentsa and Tomek.
14 May 2013 - You know that we know (how you make your money)
Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's.
This website is focused on spiritual and mental abuse within the Nazarene church in Australia, not on whether somebody pays his/her taxes and other duties towards the government. But, hold on. Judging from the spiritual point of view, is it fair that some "holy" church people run their businesses and get rich through tax evasion, whereas others work for companies and pay their tax regularly? (To be precise, taxes and superannuation are deducted from their wages.) Dear tax evaders, does that mean that the people who pay their tax honestly are fools, whereas you are "smart"..? Is it fair that you use your superior financial position for bribing and blackmailing church members who work for you or live in your rental properties? What about hiring people to work for you and paying them cash? What about hiring people with no work permit, i.e. people who entered Australia on a tourist visa? What about renting a house for cash, just like that, no agency, no tax, no nothing? Etc, etc. This shifty practice has to stop. It is illegal and UNGODLY. It is SINFUL. We want to send a clear message to all church members (yes, ministers and elders included): MANY EYES ARE WATCHING YOU. Just like you don't mind taking people to court and seeking your justice there, be careful, the same might happen to you. And then - There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 

UPDATE: In regards to our article above, a reader sent us the following links and Bible verses:

Links that people can fill in and lodge on line:

Revelation 3:17-19.
17. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18. I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Revelation 1:14
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
2 Thessalonians 2:7-8.
7. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

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