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 4 June 2014 - INTERIOR DESIGNRemember Joshua Bodjanac, from Colorado, who visited Australia last year? Well, this talented young man (22) will be in charge for the interior design of the new Janko's church in Tarneit. This is what Joshua wrote on his Facebook: "The concept design for the Apostolic Christian Church sanctuary in Melbourne, Australia has been accepted and now we are moving onto further stages!! What a fun project this has been!! The renderings below show slightly different variations in architectural detail, which in reality will effect the feel of the space significantly." Good work, Joshua! (Let's just hope there will be more people than shown in your pictures.) Your comment? COMMENT 1: They
can scrap the piano, cause there is no piano or organ in Altona because
they don't believe in it. Also, what is behind those 2 black
windows/screens in the back? (AUS) COMMENT 2: Two black window/screens, that's where Altona 2 sits. (USA) COMMENT 3: To comment 2, that's not very Christian like; It does not sound like the light is shining on you. (AUS) COMMENT 4: The benches don't have any compartment to put Holy bibles and Zionsharfe and Zbirka. (AUS) COMMENT 5: Can we get away from the US church style. Surely there are other styles out there. Do they all have to look very similar, is it not nice to have some change? Are there not any clever people at all in Altona 1? Please! (AUS) OUR COMMENT: We are waiting, but no reader so far has asked anything about the price of what is shown here. Your estimates? COMMENT 6: To comment 3, who wrote comment 2 is in right. Yes Altona 1, where is your love for your neighbour Altona 2? Jesus said: "Love even your enemy bless those who curse you." And the cost for the new church,? No need to worry, J. Tomek is aiming to sell Sydney church. (AUS) COMMENT 7: To the 'Holier' Comment #3. So quick to the ad hominem? A church divided, yet still under the same roof, one side sells out from under the other... pray tell, where does 'the light' shine on that? Just curious, do you judge ANYONE on this website as "Christian-like"? Seems to me it's much more Pharisee-like around here. (USA) |
  COMMENT 8: It
won't be cheap to build that church, that's for sure. I agree that yes,
most of the churches are all looking alike. It's a shame that Altona
does not believe in doing as Brisbane church did, or also like they do
in USA and Canada and perhaps even in Europe, and that is to allow all
the members or non members who attend the church either locally or
interstate, to go interstate or local and help build the church
themselves. That is a massive savings. There are plenty of
tradesmen, brick layers, carpenters, painters, plumbers, concreters,
tilers, etc who could go help build the church and save a lot of money.
Why aren't they doing this? I think pride is setting in and maybe they
are just too proud to ask for this help, so instead, they want to fork
out much more money. I also believe that having members or even non
members who regularly attend church to help build a church is more
Glory to God than to have contractors come in and do it. I mean if the
tradesmen in the church are licensed and professional, what's the
problem? It would be an honour to God, and also spiritually
uplifting to the ones who work on the church to do this. I read that
this Bodjanac said it was a fun project to do. I don't think that
we should look at building a house of God as a fun project. Let's have
more reverence than that. (AUS) COMMENT 9: This
Bodjanac guy looks like someone from "Home and Away". There he is
pictured with two Kapitan girls hands all over each other. Interior
Designer? More like a loser kid who needs to grow up. (AUS) COMMENT 10: To comment 7, Ask J. Tomek he is responsible for the sale of Altona church, that's his love. (AUS) COMMENT 11: OMG IF ONLY THEY DIDN'T SELL THE CHURCH, THIS SITE WOULD HAVE BEEN 1/3 OF IT'S SIZE. THANKS TO PENTSA AND TOMEK NOOOOOOO SHAME. (AUS) COMMENT 12: Seems to me it's much more Pharisee-like around here. Comment 7 wrote that. Well, Pharisees are running the show now here in Australia just like in the day's of Jesus. Nothing new. Exposing them is nothing wrong. Jesus done it all the time. You seem like one of those Pharisee supporters. Put the stones down and walk away you fake deceivers. If they are right what they did, why then are so many descent Christian's affected who have done no wrong, tell you why if you know them how they are (fruits) you will know them. (AUS) COMMENT 13: This posting of Joshua is extremely unfair and I suggest you take it down. He has nothing to do with any of the problems at all!!! You write that you "will not post juvenile comments", yet you post things about Joshua that are juvenile. Comment 9 - you obviously don't know Joshua. You're better off not posting anything and keeping your thoughts and comments to yourself instead of writing derogatory things. I don't think you would appreciate it if this was written about you, and from someone that doesn’t even know you. To the website owner - ? Seriously, looking for sensationalism. No need for this... To comment 8, if he feels it's a fun project, there's nothing wrong with that. (AUS) OUR COMMENT: The
young Mr Bodjanac needs to understand that he is helping Janko Tomek
and his supporters in their effort to steal the church property of the
Altona congregations (both 1 and 2) and establish Janko Tomek as an
absolute master of Nazarenes in Melbourne. Mr Bodjanac, a talented
and capable designer, supplies Mr Tomek with fancy (still cheap and
easy to make) computer-generated images of the interior of the future
church in Tarneit, in order to help Mr Tomek impress people, gain
support and raise funds for his project. However, all that is shown in
Mr Bodjanac's pictures would cost at least, bare minimum, two and a
half million dollars, possibly more. We only see the church hall, but
there should also be the dining room, toilets, Sunday school room,
parents room, heating, air-conditioning, parking lot, fence, gate and
many other things. The church is obviously a copy of Marsden church,
just bigger, which should satisfy Mr Tomek's ambition to elevate
himself above Paul Pentsa and his congregation in Marsden. Megalomaniac
Janko simply wants a "Bigger Bang". And the ageing and declining
membership is there to provide the finance. COMMENT 14: To comment 13, I do not know this young Bodjanac boy personally, and I do not know if he is a member of the church or not, however that picture with him and the 2 girls on the beach that is on the website is very inappropriate. I am not saying that the website put it on inappropriately, I am saying that the picture "itself" is very inappropriate. If those girls are indeed the girls that have been "suggested" they are on this website, then those girls are members of the church, and that is very inappropriate for member girls to be having their hands all over him. If he is a member himself, then all the more inappropriate that he has his hands all over them. I did not write the comment about him looking like he is someone on "Home and Away", but I must say that just by looking at that picture and the inappropriate behaviour, then he doesn't get my vote. I am not saying anything bad about him, but I would not want anyone in that picture building my church. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. (AUS) OUR COMMENT: In the meantime Mr Bodjanac has closed his personal Facebook account so all his "Home and Away" pictures taken during his holiday in Australia are now out of reach. To the website - you obviously didn't understand my post or chose not to. Sorry, Joshua doesn't need to understand who he is helping or not. Nothing to do with him. Why don't you post the plumber's picture who installs the toilets? Take the post down, doesn't need to be up here. (AUS) COMMENT 16: To comment 13, this Bodjanac has everything to do with this website. He is Miriam Tomek's cousin which makes him a Tomek supporter no matter what Tomek does. Eg. steals someone’s church and sells it. (AUS) |
| A NOTE TO THE READERS Regarding some angry messages we have received in the last couple of days... Juvenile comments were not posted here and will not be posted in the future, even if the persons who send these comments are at the same time major complainers on how this website is "not fair" and "does not publish everything". Here we have a message, sent this morning, which starts with "Your website is not fair. You only put on here what you want to put on. I wrote in several days ago about comment 11 I believe it was, and you chose not to print it. It talks about how all Pentsa family married from foreigners from other countries." And the message ends with a conclusion: "I am positive you will not print this, but I am just telling you people who do this website that you are two faced." That is correct, we won't post your message, because if we put all the garbage you are sending us every day, the whole website would have quickly become garbage. Three-quarters of this website is made of reader's comments, therefore it is 3/4 the picture of you dear readers, and only 1/4 the picture of the people who run the website. It is not this website that writes bad stuff about you, no, but you write bad stuff about each other. Reading all these posted messages, and especially those that have not been posted, the impression is that there is no such small group of people, anywhere in the world, packed with more nastiness, viciousness, jealousy, treachery, and hatred. (Sorry to say.) This website has given you an opportunity to write things about each other and stay anonymous, which you fully embraced, but if there is such thing on the Internet that can be used for killing other people just with a mouse click, there is no doubt it would be used too. Go back to the Comment 2 from 8 August 2013, which says: "Many lives have been destroyed by the Marsden Nazarene church, many young people have left the church because they didn't feel welcomed. Many are wondering around confused, lost and disillusioned with church and God." Dear readers (at least some of you), if this website really follows your wickedness, this website would actually look very different. We try to keep ourselves on the bright side, often using some humour, but the letters we receive from time to time leave us shocked and depressed for days. | People - church members - send us their personal confessions, with real names, describing in detail family violence, incest, sadism -
and we just say "Oh God, this is too strong". It is just horrible.
Sick. There are things not be posted on any website in the world. If we
post some of these letters, we know, in the matter of hours our mailbox
would be full of desperate messages, people literally screaming their
heads off, begging us to remove such material from the website, etc.
And there would be broken families, the police knocking on people's
doors, all these things no one normal would like to see (but some other
would, we know). And we are also aware of many mentally unstable, to
put it that way, individuals in the Nazarene church in Australia who
are not too far from committing suicide, if pushed that way - and we
really did have suicides in the past in our church, didn't we? Therefore we need to remind everyone who reads this website and wants to comment - this website is about SPIRITUAL AND MENTAL ABUSE IN ACCN IN AUSTRALIA. Its goal is to expose spiritual and mental abuse of the elders and ministers and their supporters and to encourage people to resist that abuse. All other things that do not fit into this cause will not be posted. What about the abusers themselves, are they allowed to post here and share with others their side of the story? They are, but they are also required to provide their names, so that people can see why somebody wrote what they wrote. The logic is simple: our form for anonymous messaging has been introduced to enable people fearful of elder's prosecution to raise their voices, but those who support the elders do not have such concerns so they should not be hiding behind the website. And finally, please do not be naive and think you can play games with this website and its readers. Trolling, spamming, provocations, pretending that you are someone else - all that will not find its way to the front page. Every message you send is labelled with your IP number, which reveals your country, city, suburb, Internet provider, with many other details on the top of that, like the model of your PC computer or mobile device, screen resolution, browser version, etc. We are able to see if you are sitting in the car and driving down the Pacific Motorway between Coomera and Ormeau and checking our website on your Vodafone's Samsung Galaxy IV. This is simply the way how today's Internet works. If you do not like it - do not visit this website anymore. No one is forcing you to come and read what is written here. But if you do come and want to send your comments, please do it in an honest and Godly manner. |
I can
almost sense God looking down on you all in disgust as you drag His
Name in mud while you all air your dirty laundry. I grew up in your
sect - and am in touch still with many people who attend. My heart
aches at the lack of Christian faith I see on this website from all
sides and the ramifications this has on how people perceive the Gospel.
(AUS)
COMMENT 2:
Can I just ask, why do you hint at knowing so much about those who write in.. Does it matter? If this is anonymous why dangle that information as if it could possibly be disclosed. Is it not true this website was created to benefit you the registrant and it then got out of hand. Perhaps if you genuinely care about the welfare of those in the church you would hand over information to the police and take active measures to not have the abuse extend further. You do realise people also know who you are and it doesn't shine a good light on yourself either? (AUS)
Q: Is it not true this website was created to benefit you the registrant and it then got out of hand.
A: No, absolutely not. This website was never out of hand.
Q: Perhaps if you genuinely care about the welfare of those in the church you would hand over information to the police.
A: The police would say "But why are you, and all these people, still sitting there? Can't you just go somewhere else, there are many other churches around. Not all churches abuse their members." But we know it's more complicated.
Q: You do realise people also know who you are.
A: That was never an issue. Who knows, and who doesn't know, and who thinks he knows - WHO CARES. This website is not about the people who run the website but about the people who are spiritual and mental abusers.
Q: Can I just ask, why do you hint at knowing so much about those who write in?
A: When (some of) readers become too nasty, or try to play games with us and other readers, sending false information, pretending they are someone else, etc. it is our duty to remind them that this website is a bit less dumb than it looks and knows who sent what and when and from where.
COMMENT 2:
Can I just ask, why do you hint at knowing so much about those who write in.. Does it matter? If this is anonymous why dangle that information as if it could possibly be disclosed. Is it not true this website was created to benefit you the registrant and it then got out of hand. Perhaps if you genuinely care about the welfare of those in the church you would hand over information to the police and take active measures to not have the abuse extend further. You do realise people also know who you are and it doesn't shine a good light on yourself either? (AUS)
Q: Is it not true this website was created to benefit you the registrant and it then got out of hand.
A: No, absolutely not. This website was never out of hand.
Q: Perhaps if you genuinely care about the welfare of those in the church you would hand over information to the police.
A: The police would say "But why are you, and all these people, still sitting there? Can't you just go somewhere else, there are many other churches around. Not all churches abuse their members." But we know it's more complicated.
Q: You do realise people also know who you are.
A: That was never an issue. Who knows, and who doesn't know, and who thinks he knows - WHO CARES. This website is not about the people who run the website but about the people who are spiritual and mental abusers.
Q: Can I just ask, why do you hint at knowing so much about those who write in?
A: When (some of) readers become too nasty, or try to play games with us and other readers, sending false information, pretending they are someone else, etc. it is our duty to remind them that this website is a bit less dumb than it looks and knows who sent what and when and from where.
30 May 2014 - The Supreme Court of New South Wales decided
Matea & Kovacevic won There is now nothing to stop Paul Pentsa from aquiring the church for himself |
Sydney - The court process in Sydney took an unexpected turn. The judge has decided to fully support the demands of the plaintiffs, Matea Lincu and Zivadin Kovacevic. The church in Arncliffe will be transferred to them (although Kovacevic does not live in Sydney since 1980 and is not a member of the Nazarene faith). The plaintiffs will also get their costs paid.
Your comment?
COMMENT 1:
Matea
the wife beater and Kovacevic the drop out is not even part of the
Nazarene faith anymore. They went to the worldly courts because that's
where there faith is. The judges of this country support child abuse,
rape, murder and Gay rights and who knows what else. Paul Pentsa, Janko
Tomek and their supporters support this Sydney Court case and ruling of
the Judge. Wait till the real Judge comes from heaven and says "Depart
from me all you who do iniquity, I know you not." (AUS)
COMMENT 2:
THERE ARE NO WINNERS NO PEACEFUL RESOLUTION. I WIN YOU LOSE ATTITUDE STINKS AND IS NOT FROM GOD. (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
1 Corinthians 6:1-7: When one of you has a dispute with another believer, how dare you file a lawsuit and ask a secular court to decide the matter instead of taking it to other believers! Don’t you realize that someday we believers will judge the world? And since you are going to judge the world, can’t you decide even these little things among yourselves? Don’t you realize that we will judge angels? So you should surely be able to resolve ordinary disputes in this life. If you have legal disputes about such matters, why go to outside judges who are not respected by the church? I am saying this to shame you. Isn't there anyone in all the church who is wise enough to decide these issues? But instead, one believer sues another - right in front of unbelievers! Even to have such lawsuits with one another is a defeat for you. Why not just accept the injustice and leave it at that? Why not let yourselves be cheated? Instead, you yourselves are the ones who do wrong and cheat even your fellow believers. (AUS)
COMMENT 4:
This website unfairly attacks the ACC and gives an inaccurate impression of the church as a whole. A test of a true Christian is characterized by the fruits that are evident in their walk of faith. Bashing and shaming a church as a whole because of a few people is not done through the fruits of the spirit and this website is causing tares among the wheat. What did Jesus say in Matthew 13? Anyways, I urge you to look within your own heart and soul and repent before it is too late. (USA, via e-mail)
COMMENT 5:
The Apostle Paul implies the following reasons why Christians should settle arguments within the church and not resort to secular lawsuits:
Secular judges are not able to judge by biblical standards and Christian values.
Christians go to court with the wrong motives.
Lawsuits among Christians reflect negatively on the church.
As believers, our testimony to the unbelieving world should be a demonstration of love and forgiveness and, therefore, members of the body of Christ ought to be able to settle arguments and disputes without going to court. We are called to live in unity with humility toward one another. Even more than the secular courts, the body of Christ ought to have wise and godly leaders gifted in handling matters involving conflict resolution. (AUS)
COMMENT 2:
THERE ARE NO WINNERS NO PEACEFUL RESOLUTION. I WIN YOU LOSE ATTITUDE STINKS AND IS NOT FROM GOD. (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
1 Corinthians 6:1-7: When one of you has a dispute with another believer, how dare you file a lawsuit and ask a secular court to decide the matter instead of taking it to other believers! Don’t you realize that someday we believers will judge the world? And since you are going to judge the world, can’t you decide even these little things among yourselves? Don’t you realize that we will judge angels? So you should surely be able to resolve ordinary disputes in this life. If you have legal disputes about such matters, why go to outside judges who are not respected by the church? I am saying this to shame you. Isn't there anyone in all the church who is wise enough to decide these issues? But instead, one believer sues another - right in front of unbelievers! Even to have such lawsuits with one another is a defeat for you. Why not just accept the injustice and leave it at that? Why not let yourselves be cheated? Instead, you yourselves are the ones who do wrong and cheat even your fellow believers. (AUS)
COMMENT 4:
This website unfairly attacks the ACC and gives an inaccurate impression of the church as a whole. A test of a true Christian is characterized by the fruits that are evident in their walk of faith. Bashing and shaming a church as a whole because of a few people is not done through the fruits of the spirit and this website is causing tares among the wheat. What did Jesus say in Matthew 13? Anyways, I urge you to look within your own heart and soul and repent before it is too late. (USA, via e-mail)
COMMENT 5:
The Apostle Paul implies the following reasons why Christians should settle arguments within the church and not resort to secular lawsuits:
Secular judges are not able to judge by biblical standards and Christian values.
Christians go to court with the wrong motives.
Lawsuits among Christians reflect negatively on the church.
As believers, our testimony to the unbelieving world should be a demonstration of love and forgiveness and, therefore, members of the body of Christ ought to be able to settle arguments and disputes without going to court. We are called to live in unity with humility toward one another. Even more than the secular courts, the body of Christ ought to have wise and godly leaders gifted in handling matters involving conflict resolution. (AUS)
| To our dear reader from Queensland who sent the message that starts with "To The Editor of This Website, Dear Sir/Madame..." - your message will be posted in full as soon as you provide your name/surname, because in this case our readers need to be able to connect your name with what you wrote in order to get the full picture. Sometimes is only clear why somebody is saying something if you know who is saying it. Thank you for your understanding. |
COMMENT 6:
FOR THOSE WHO BRAG ABOUT WINNING A COURT CASE SHAMEFUL TO EVEN GO TO SAY THE LEAST. Philippians
3:19 - They are headed for destruction. Their god is their appetite,
they brag about shameful things, and they think only about this life
here on earth. (AUS)
COMMENT 7:
How can a true believer take another to court and think they have done well? How can you sit in church and hurt the one sitting next to you? (AUS)
COMMENT 8:
Sydney church was never stolen, it is really all about control, that's what it is all about. On the other hand one side in Altona church is getting hard done by now, that's pure love. Love one another as I love you. (AUS)
COMMENT 9:
The writer in comment one stated that the judges in this country support the child abuse, rape and murder. This is absolutely untrue. To make such a claim with no proof at all dishonours the legal system of our country. (AUS)
To comment 9. Yes it is true that judges of this country do support child abuse, rape, murder and gays. It's written in the papers and on TV. How many times it is on the news and papers that there is no justice in these worldly courts. The victim loses and Satan wins. Comment 9 you must be of this world. The judges of this world worship Satan. (AUS)
COMMENT 11:
And at the end you know Paul Pentsa's children will say again "Oh, people don't like us". Yeah, wonder why is that. Almost all his children got married to "imported" people from Europe, what a strange thing indeed, it seems to me that everyone in Australia knew how the Pentsas are and nobody wanted to be in that family. (AUS)
COMMENT 7:
How can a true believer take another to court and think they have done well? How can you sit in church and hurt the one sitting next to you? (AUS)
COMMENT 8:
Sydney church was never stolen, it is really all about control, that's what it is all about. On the other hand one side in Altona church is getting hard done by now, that's pure love. Love one another as I love you. (AUS)
COMMENT 9:
The writer in comment one stated that the judges in this country support the child abuse, rape and murder. This is absolutely untrue. To make such a claim with no proof at all dishonours the legal system of our country. (AUS)
OUR COMMENT: Maybe he or she meant "murder" as "abortion". It's irrelevant so let's just drop it.
COMMENT 10: To comment 9. Yes it is true that judges of this country do support child abuse, rape, murder and gays. It's written in the papers and on TV. How many times it is on the news and papers that there is no justice in these worldly courts. The victim loses and Satan wins. Comment 9 you must be of this world. The judges of this world worship Satan. (AUS)
COMMENT 11:
And at the end you know Paul Pentsa's children will say again "Oh, people don't like us". Yeah, wonder why is that. Almost all his children got married to "imported" people from Europe, what a strange thing indeed, it seems to me that everyone in Australia knew how the Pentsas are and nobody wanted to be in that family. (AUS)
| Council: You can't use this as a church Janko: No, it's not a church, it's a storage | |||
 Melbourne, 24 May 2014
- According to our sources, certain individuals complained to the local
council regarding the inappropriateness of the portable building raised
at the Tarneit property. The council then contacted Janko Tomek and
asked him to provide an explanation for the purpose of the building.
Janko and his comrades told the council that the building will not be
used as a church but just as a temporary STORAGE
while building the new church. This is, of course, not what Janko said
to his congregation in Altona. So here we go - vast amounts of money
have been spent in vain, and there will be no place for worship after
September. Well done, Janko.Your comment? COMMENT 1: LIES, LIES, LIES and more lies Janko. Lying not only to the church people but also to the authorities. How far will you and some of your family members go? Other people that follow you are blind if they can not see your dirty tricks. If the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch: MATT;15:14. It's a shame to the so called NAZARENE faith. But you have someone above you that support your actions; PAUL PENTSA. (AUS) COMMENT 2: Stephen Kolarik said that the church will be picking colours and designing the interior of the new church building. Another Steven and Tomek lie. It has been revealed that Dano Tomek gave the church plan to Joshua Bodjanac in Colorado to do the entire interior design. Joshua has now finished the designing for our new church. We now know whose church this will be. Tomek's. Just like it has been predicted. (AUS) COMMENT 3: Black Slovakian dizzy looking carpet and chocolate brown washroom walls? I attend church with this heartless family. Let me tell you, I will not be attending the church in the bush knowing they stole it. I also think, every member needs to have a very good think about following the leaders of this church. It does not feel good being in their midst. The church has been divided, it's half empty and cold thanks to the front row. It's really sad I never thought in all the years I have been attending that it would come to this. (AUS) | |||
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14 May 2014 - A FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD DOWN
We would like to hear more comments from you regarding the article from 2 May 2014 ("Traditional vs. Modern").
The article looks like written by a pretty intelligent man or a group
of people. But - what if this website tells you that the article
is actually very evil, twisted and false, written by hypocritical and
dishonest person(s)..? What would you say?
If you read the article a couple of times and invest some effort in understanding its true meaning, you will notice at least two things:
1. It encourages divisions and splits within the ACC faith (like in case of ACCA vs. ACFC). The article describes splits as a "natural process" so to say. Here we have a group of sincere believers who joined for no reason "other than the salvation of their undying souls". But gradually, the church gets polluted by those who seek, for example, "economic advantages of being a part of a group of respected, prosperous Godly people". With more time and more pollution, here we go, the majority of members are now worldly. So what should a conservative minority do in this case? They should leave and start their own church: "Because they were convinced that it pleased their heavenly Father, those faithful believers banded together and sincerely tried to live lives that were holy, sinless, and separated from the world. And so The Story of a Church was begun anew". In other words, the true believers should start their own "true" church and leave the others to rot in sin and worldliness (and God will bless it).
2. According to the author(s) of the article, the corruption sneaks in quietly, through the back door, especially carried by younger church members who "came to believe that they should change the traditional faith into something with more appeal to modern minds". This is so hypocritical. The real truth is, the elders are actually those who break the rules to please their families and supporters, and whenever a rule is broken, it soon becomes a new rule. Bit by bit, and everything is allowed, because the elders did it first. Going to court? Oh well, if the elders approve it, and not just approve it but personally prosecute people and go to court themselves to give testimonies in public, then that's what it is, who's going to say that others can't do the same? The old proverb says "A Fish Rots from the Head Down"...
If you read the article a couple of times and invest some effort in understanding its true meaning, you will notice at least two things:
1. It encourages divisions and splits within the ACC faith (like in case of ACCA vs. ACFC). The article describes splits as a "natural process" so to say. Here we have a group of sincere believers who joined for no reason "other than the salvation of their undying souls". But gradually, the church gets polluted by those who seek, for example, "economic advantages of being a part of a group of respected, prosperous Godly people". With more time and more pollution, here we go, the majority of members are now worldly. So what should a conservative minority do in this case? They should leave and start their own church: "Because they were convinced that it pleased their heavenly Father, those faithful believers banded together and sincerely tried to live lives that were holy, sinless, and separated from the world. And so The Story of a Church was begun anew". In other words, the true believers should start their own "true" church and leave the others to rot in sin and worldliness (and God will bless it).
2. According to the author(s) of the article, the corruption sneaks in quietly, through the back door, especially carried by younger church members who "came to believe that they should change the traditional faith into something with more appeal to modern minds". This is so hypocritical. The real truth is, the elders are actually those who break the rules to please their families and supporters, and whenever a rule is broken, it soon becomes a new rule. Bit by bit, and everything is allowed, because the elders did it first. Going to court? Oh well, if the elders approve it, and not just approve it but personally prosecute people and go to court themselves to give testimonies in public, then that's what it is, who's going to say that others can't do the same? The old proverb says "A Fish Rots from the Head Down"...
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Your comment?
COMMENT 1:
Christ's
churches have suffered the same and much worse from day one (1700-1800
years ago).. Christ's followers decided to stay strong in their faith..
They swallowed there pride and continued to believe in their faith no
matter who the priest or pope or elder is! They went to church for
Christ and God, not to please their elder. Why can't side 2 do the same
and join the new church or continue to share as they did in Altona...
I'm surprised the Nazarene church has lasted 100 years.. (AUS)
COMMENT 2:
Comment 1 - And why can't Side 1 swallow ***their pride*** and allow the ministers from Side 2 to be their ministers too?
You know, good people are always prepared to admit their mistakes and humble themselves, but not in front of scumbags who would take that act as a sign of weakness. (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
Sometimes it takes a better man to beat a good man.. 86 where against the division in the first place.. I'm pretty sure the 86 would like to see you reunited again.. Why let the few bad seeds ruin the whole bunch? (AUS)
COMMENT 4:
Not sure who's sending this around now, but this was distributed in the US at least as early as 2009, so it's not a new piece. (USA)
COMMENT 2:
Comment 1 - And why can't Side 1 swallow ***their pride*** and allow the ministers from Side 2 to be their ministers too?
You know, good people are always prepared to admit their mistakes and humble themselves, but not in front of scumbags who would take that act as a sign of weakness. (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
Sometimes it takes a better man to beat a good man.. 86 where against the division in the first place.. I'm pretty sure the 86 would like to see you reunited again.. Why let the few bad seeds ruin the whole bunch? (AUS)
COMMENT 4:
Not sure who's sending this around now, but this was distributed in the US at least as early as 2009, so it's not a new piece. (USA)
6 May 2014 - INTO THE WILDERNESS
Tarneit, Melbourne
- This portable shed in Tarneit will be, according to Janko Tomek's
ideas, used as a temporary church until the real church has been built
on the same site. This may take between one and two years. The portable
building is allegedly paid 30,000 dollars. It is not known, at this
stage, whether any water, electricity or sewage is available on the
site. The photograph shows several air-conditioners placed on the side
of the building but if there is no electricity they won't be very
useful. You can also recognize a rainwater tank. The members of Altona
1 are supposed to leave the existing church in Altona and move to
Tarneit in early September.
Welcome to Janko's Portable Church |
Your comment?
COMMENT 1:
What
a joke and waste of money, I wouldn't trust this mob with my money.
Should have sold the Altona church to the other side and shake hands
and everyone would have helped pay for the other church, also could
have stayed in the Altona building while the new church is build, but
no, the mob wouldn't listen. It's really sad I mean look at that, just
kind of a cubicle. It's got that 'detention centre' look to it. And
from talking to some people the portables aren't the best, they have
very poor condition. Hopefully, they have heating. They can get quite
cold. It looks like the asylum seekers have better conditions and free
everything. (AUS)
COMMENT 2:
Looks like Serbia, they should all feel at home. (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
In case of fire jump through windows, oh dear, they all got bars. (AUS)
COMMENT 4:
Churches, especially ACC, are made or fade, starting at ballot box, now ministers and elders are a mirror of those who vote for them, this explanation has another side, the side 1, before me and you have voted let's look at your mind process, I will vote for him or them because he is my dad, he is my brother, he is my uncle, he has nice sermons, he is always friendly, he is wealthy, I am an ordained elder and the best thing that happened to this church, he is my son and he must be an elder, well some years later, this particular person is in no way with Cristian attributes, in fact the opposite, the members are greatly upset, the church is in turmoil and splitting, well let's turn back time and check my mind process before voting, oh, I thought about everything but I did not honestly pray that God would make selection not I. And the side 2: I prayed honestly and fasted begged God for his will, but to no avail elders made quick announcement, voting was quickly done, people were confused, votes were counted in the back room, announcements were made, one of the elder's son won, members of the church never seen the votes!????? It was God's will!!! (USA)
COMMENT 5:
You got to be joking! How embarrassing!! Are Altona 1 really that uneducated that they are all blindly following the blind?! Janko and Martha Tomek sold a church which does not belong to them and now bought this junk. Wake up ye followers! (AUS)
COMMENT 6:
Someone should let Tony Abbott know the boat people can settle in the Tarneit detention centre. These actions are clearly not from God but the work of Janko and Martha. Majority of Altona 1 don't even know what is happening on this block of land. (AUS)
COMMENT 7 (e-mail):
Woe to Thee:
To whom ye have Trodden the true (Spiritual) Mother off Jesus Christ our Lord, tho hast bound her mouth so she is not allowed to speak, if she opens her mouth to warn you hast done wrong (evil sin) you bound tied her mouth and beat her up. All She wants in her love to correct you that you may accept your fault (evil sin) and repent confess you guilt and ask God to forgive you, but no, instead you have bruised her, left her for dead and robbed her selling her Holy House of worship the temple of God. This church you have sold its NOT yours, it is GOD'S every child of God that put their own hard earnings for this church they all gave if to GOD and you have not only stolen from God's children, Holy Mother, but you have also stolen it from God. We could have proceeded to take action and go to court to bring you to justice. But this is not our faith to take a Brother to court, we will leave it to God's Judgment on the Judgment Day where the True Justice shall be ruled out on the true righteous scales for you own works whether they were good or bad tho shalt have thine reward. Mentioning Brother to take brother to Court, if thou were a true Brother tho would NOT have stolen and sold our Church.
God Bless you all, as dear Jesus teaches us Bless and Curse NOT Bless your enemies also.
And as we have a Mother Day this Sunday Let us Not Forget Our Holy Mother The Church to give her respect also.
In God love St.Brother. (e-mail)
COMMENT 8:
Serbia looks much better than that, looks more like Slovakia. Like the churh leaders. (AUS)
COMMENT 9:
Sramota, shame on you all, who cares what it looks like, god isn't judging each other, it's not your job, judgement day will come. (AUS)
COMMENT 10:
Looks like Serbia, they should all feel at home there. Racist comment, since when are Nazarenes racists? Oh I forgot they always were. (AUS)
COMMENT 11:
What does Serbia look like? It's a hole in the ground with bomb shells. You are right, that looks nicer than Serbia. (AUS)
COMMENT 12:
No no you people have it all wrong, this is only temporarily and it only cost from $30.000 upwards to maybe $40.000, $50.000 or $60.000 or maybe more. And if they make it to the next phase, then starts the big project. Oh yeah, the big money from the old church which is owned by both groups (biblically speaking) not as some say that it is owned by one group which is stealing (sin) which is in the Ten commandments. Whoever steals something must repent (which means to return what has been taken and pray for forgiveness. THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN. THOU SHALT NOT STEAL. (AUS)
2 May 2014 - TRADITIONAL VS. MODERN COMMENT 2:
Looks like Serbia, they should all feel at home. (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
In case of fire jump through windows, oh dear, they all got bars. (AUS)
COMMENT 4:
Churches, especially ACC, are made or fade, starting at ballot box, now ministers and elders are a mirror of those who vote for them, this explanation has another side, the side 1, before me and you have voted let's look at your mind process, I will vote for him or them because he is my dad, he is my brother, he is my uncle, he has nice sermons, he is always friendly, he is wealthy, I am an ordained elder and the best thing that happened to this church, he is my son and he must be an elder, well some years later, this particular person is in no way with Cristian attributes, in fact the opposite, the members are greatly upset, the church is in turmoil and splitting, well let's turn back time and check my mind process before voting, oh, I thought about everything but I did not honestly pray that God would make selection not I. And the side 2: I prayed honestly and fasted begged God for his will, but to no avail elders made quick announcement, voting was quickly done, people were confused, votes were counted in the back room, announcements were made, one of the elder's son won, members of the church never seen the votes!????? It was God's will!!! (USA)
COMMENT 5:
You got to be joking! How embarrassing!! Are Altona 1 really that uneducated that they are all blindly following the blind?! Janko and Martha Tomek sold a church which does not belong to them and now bought this junk. Wake up ye followers! (AUS)
COMMENT 6:
Someone should let Tony Abbott know the boat people can settle in the Tarneit detention centre. These actions are clearly not from God but the work of Janko and Martha. Majority of Altona 1 don't even know what is happening on this block of land. (AUS)
 | You gotta be kidding..?! Janko is building a new church? Wow! |
COMMENT 7 (e-mail):
Woe to Thee:
To whom ye have Trodden the true (Spiritual) Mother off Jesus Christ our Lord, tho hast bound her mouth so she is not allowed to speak, if she opens her mouth to warn you hast done wrong (evil sin) you bound tied her mouth and beat her up. All She wants in her love to correct you that you may accept your fault (evil sin) and repent confess you guilt and ask God to forgive you, but no, instead you have bruised her, left her for dead and robbed her selling her Holy House of worship the temple of God. This church you have sold its NOT yours, it is GOD'S every child of God that put their own hard earnings for this church they all gave if to GOD and you have not only stolen from God's children, Holy Mother, but you have also stolen it from God. We could have proceeded to take action and go to court to bring you to justice. But this is not our faith to take a Brother to court, we will leave it to God's Judgment on the Judgment Day where the True Justice shall be ruled out on the true righteous scales for you own works whether they were good or bad tho shalt have thine reward. Mentioning Brother to take brother to Court, if thou were a true Brother tho would NOT have stolen and sold our Church.
God Bless you all, as dear Jesus teaches us Bless and Curse NOT Bless your enemies also.
And as we have a Mother Day this Sunday Let us Not Forget Our Holy Mother The Church to give her respect also.
In God love St.Brother. (e-mail)
COMMENT 8:
Serbia looks much better than that, looks more like Slovakia. Like the churh leaders. (AUS)
COMMENT 9:
Sramota, shame on you all, who cares what it looks like, god isn't judging each other, it's not your job, judgement day will come. (AUS)
COMMENT 10:
Looks like Serbia, they should all feel at home there. Racist comment, since when are Nazarenes racists? Oh I forgot they always were. (AUS)
COMMENT 11:
What does Serbia look like? It's a hole in the ground with bomb shells. You are right, that looks nicer than Serbia. (AUS)
COMMENT 12:
No no you people have it all wrong, this is only temporarily and it only cost from $30.000 upwards to maybe $40.000, $50.000 or $60.000 or maybe more. And if they make it to the next phase, then starts the big project. Oh yeah, the big money from the old church which is owned by both groups (biblically speaking) not as some say that it is owned by one group which is stealing (sin) which is in the Ten commandments. Whoever steals something must repent (which means to return what has been taken and pray for forgiveness. THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN. THOU SHALT NOT STEAL. (AUS)
This
controversial letter is circling around, so it may be interesting for
you to read it. It is an obvious call for more traditional and
conservative church practice and a change of lifestyle, especially
among the younger members. Sorry for the lines, this is the only
copy of the letter we have received so far. We do not know who are
the authors of this letter.
   |
Your comment?
COMMENT 1:
Jesus
warned of unprecedented religious deception in the last days. A wide
range of deceit one might not even suspect as demonic. A time when the
last days church would become so corrupted that it would actually begin
to oppose and deny what Christ taught while at the same time insisting
that it is faithful to Him.
Jesus said sound doctrine would be despised and wondered if there would be any faith left whatsoever on the earth when He returned (Luke 18:8). He gave His disciples a solemn warning: "Take heed that no man deceive you" (Matt. 24:2,5,11,24). He characterized the last days as a time of religious deception - or - deception in religion such as false messiahs, false prophets, false miracles, and false doctrines. All four were prophesied to band together to pave the way for the Antichrist. (AUS)
COMMENT 2:
Curious reader: How to send photos to this web-site?
Jesus said sound doctrine would be despised and wondered if there would be any faith left whatsoever on the earth when He returned (Luke 18:8). He gave His disciples a solemn warning: "Take heed that no man deceive you" (Matt. 24:2,5,11,24). He characterized the last days as a time of religious deception - or - deception in religion such as false messiahs, false prophets, false miracles, and false doctrines. All four were prophesied to band together to pave the way for the Antichrist. (AUS)
COMMENT 2:
Curious reader: How to send photos to this web-site?
OUR COMMENT: You have to use our e-mail: accnaustralia@gmail.com.
This website guarantees your details will not be posted. If that is not
enough, you may choose to open an anonymous e-mail account.
Your comment?
COMMENT 1:
Trickery
and Treachery (misleading half-truths and outright falsehoods Mt 5:11)
- This method is often used by apostates, Christians who have abandoned
the true faith. It is used to blind the minds of unbelievers and keep
them away from the truth of God's Word. Rather than going out and
making their own disciples, many apostates seek to “draw away the
disciples [that is, Christ’s disciples] after themselves” to follow
their course of faithlessness. The apostle Peter warned about apostates
who would use “counterfeit words,” spread “deceptive teachings,” and
‘twist the Scriptures’ to their own ends. (AUS)
COMMENT 2:
Just
to let you know Philip is not a Sicko. He is a loving father that is
doing all he can for his son. As for putting this up on YouTube it was
for medical purposes for the neurologist. You shouldn't judge something
that you know nothing about. (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
Comment 2 - Some people say the boy's sickness is the result of trauma and pain caused by circumcision. (AUS)
COMMENT 4:
“You are hanging over the mouth of hell by a single thread, and that thread is breaking. Only a gasp for breath, only a stopping of the heart for a single moment, and you will be in an eternal world, without God, without hope, without forgiveness. Oh, can you face it?” - Charles Spurgeon (AUS)
COMMENT 5:
Janko Tomek is a good shepherd: He knows his sheep, and his sheep know his voice and follow him all the way even to the portable church. But there's one problem: He would not lay down his life for them what JESUS did. And Paul Pentsa; He wanted the new church for his daughter. (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
Comment 2 - Some people say the boy's sickness is the result of trauma and pain caused by circumcision. (AUS)
COMMENT 4:
“You are hanging over the mouth of hell by a single thread, and that thread is breaking. Only a gasp for breath, only a stopping of the heart for a single moment, and you will be in an eternal world, without God, without hope, without forgiveness. Oh, can you face it?” - Charles Spurgeon (AUS)
COMMENT 5:
Janko Tomek is a good shepherd: He knows his sheep, and his sheep know his voice and follow him all the way even to the portable church. But there's one problem: He would not lay down his life for them what JESUS did. And Paul Pentsa; He wanted the new church for his daughter. (AUS)
18 April 2014 - No more "Devil's advocates"..?
Greetings,
dear readers! During the first few months of running this website we
use to receive a significant number of angry messages in which some
readers protested against this website and its mission. Most of these
messages have been posted. But it's hard not to notice that these
voices of opposition have been pretty silent recently, particularly
after the Sydney trial, which was back then in August last year. It
seems that even the most stubborn supporters of Paul Pentsa have lost
their faith in him after seeing his photos in front of the court in
Sydney and reading our reports from this trial. Have they finally
understood? And then, there is the Altona case, i.e. selling the church
building so clearly and openly against the will of the majority of
members. We have not received a single message trying to justify Janko
Tomek and his family and comrades. People are ashamed - but still
silent. Indeed, is there anyone who would NOW want to be their advocate?
Your comment?
COMMENT 1:
Why
would Paul Penca write a letter from the European Elder conference to
the ACC church of American elders how to live there life in the US and
cause more confusion? The preservationist who left the church all ready
spading lots of false information. Or is he a personal friend with
Peter Petrovic, former elder of San Diego ACC Church of America and
backing him up? A concerned brother from the US. (USA)
COMMENT 2:
"Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge, Who eat up my people as they eat bread, And do not call upon God?" Psalm 53:4 (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
To Comment 1 - What letter are you referring to? Paul Pentsa has written to the ACCA elders? (USA)
COMMENT 4:
"Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!" declares the Lord. Therefore this is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says to the shepherds who tend my people: "Because you have scattered my flock and driven them away and have not bestowed care on them, I will bestow punishment on you for the evil you have done," declares the Lord..."I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing," declares the Lord. Jer.23:1-5
How many sincere sheep do you know who "have been scattered" because of the tyranny of pastors and elders? How many sincere believers do you know who have been "afraid and terrified" even to speak what was in their hearts for fear of the elder's discipline? Many of you who read these lines have seen in practice what the following verse describes:
The prophets follow an evil course and use their power unjustly. Jer. 10:23
You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back strays or searched for the lost. You ruled them harshly and brutally. So they were scattered... Ezek. 34:4,5
If you are a minister who has driven families out of your congregation only because they dared to disagree with you, and you have never visited one of them to try to resolve the difficulty, who do you think God is talking about in Ezek. 34:2-5?
My friend Janko, beating the sheep into subjection with the supposed "duly authorized office of eldership" and sending them home bleeding and wounded is hateful and very sinful. (AUS)
COMMENT 5:
The letter was sent to the US ACC of America elders from the European elders meetings of March 25 2014 he was present at that meeting and had to endorse the letter to back up Elders in Europe especially Bro. Ferenc Szabo self pock-lamed leader of the European churches. (USA)
Paul Pentsa has not been to Europe since July 2012. Where do you get your info? (AUS)
COMMENT 2:
"Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge, Who eat up my people as they eat bread, And do not call upon God?" Psalm 53:4 (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
To Comment 1 - What letter are you referring to? Paul Pentsa has written to the ACCA elders? (USA)
COMMENT 4:
"Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!" declares the Lord. Therefore this is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says to the shepherds who tend my people: "Because you have scattered my flock and driven them away and have not bestowed care on them, I will bestow punishment on you for the evil you have done," declares the Lord..."I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing," declares the Lord. Jer.23:1-5
How many sincere sheep do you know who "have been scattered" because of the tyranny of pastors and elders? How many sincere believers do you know who have been "afraid and terrified" even to speak what was in their hearts for fear of the elder's discipline? Many of you who read these lines have seen in practice what the following verse describes:
The prophets follow an evil course and use their power unjustly. Jer. 10:23
You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back strays or searched for the lost. You ruled them harshly and brutally. So they were scattered... Ezek. 34:4,5
If you are a minister who has driven families out of your congregation only because they dared to disagree with you, and you have never visited one of them to try to resolve the difficulty, who do you think God is talking about in Ezek. 34:2-5?
My friend Janko, beating the sheep into subjection with the supposed "duly authorized office of eldership" and sending them home bleeding and wounded is hateful and very sinful. (AUS)
COMMENT 5:
The letter was sent to the US ACC of America elders from the European elders meetings of March 25 2014 he was present at that meeting and had to endorse the letter to back up Elders in Europe especially Bro. Ferenc Szabo self pock-lamed leader of the European churches. (USA)
OUR COMMENT: Very interesting! Is there any chance we can get a copy of that letter? If anyone has it please send us an e-mail.
COMMENT 6: Paul Pentsa has not been to Europe since July 2012. Where do you get your info? (AUS)
| 14 April 2014 - "Like talking to a wall", sent by a reader Members
of the church have stood up in the past and they only get dismissed or
Janko gets very upset and starts arguing. That's why members don't
stand up anymore because it's like talking to a brick wall. Even a
child responds more honest than the leadership. The leadership wants
the church to split so then it's a smaller church and they will have
full power over it. They are the ones causing the split in the future
and they will be accountable for that. Instead of trying to make peace
within the brethren and keep the church because they know the majority
don't want to sell, they love the division and love the way Satan has
become in the church. Janko and the leaders and elders let Satan in the
church by opening the door fully wide. The leadership is corrupt and
Satan is laughing because he can't believe how easy it was to deceive
them. The end is near and it must be fulfilled before the Lord comes
again. (AUS)
Take away from me the noise of your songs, But let justice run down like water, And righteousness like a mighty stream. AMOS 5:23-24. Blow
trumpet in Zion, consecrate a fast, call a sacred assembly; Gather the
people, Sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, Let the priests
who minister to the Lord weep between the porch and the altar; Let them
say, "Spare your people O LORD, and do not give your heritage to
reproach, Why should they say among the peoples, 'Where is their God'?" JOEL 2:15-17 (AUS) COMMENT 3: Jesus said, "If you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches?" (Luke 16:11) Can't we recognize the fact that if we are not faithful in handling our money and our church, God will not grant us true riches -- spiritual riches? (AUS) COMMENT 4: This website is very interesting and informative. However, for those of us not from Australia, it can be a bit confusing with the various names and places mentioned. Could you provide a brief listing of the names, locations, and sizes of each of the Nazarene-affiliated Churches and gatherings in Australia, including those that have broke off? (USA) COMMENT 5: We know the western wall is so important to Jews because the wall is the last remaining of the the two temples from over thousands of years ago. Why don't they just knock it down and build a temple in the MAGNIFICENT TARNEIT? (AUS) COMMENT 6: The Melbourne Altona church is very precious to most just like the Western wall is precious to the Jews. The people responsible for selling the Church have offended many brethren. (AUS) |
10 April 2014 - "No guts to stand up for the truth", sent by a reader
I
was shocked to hear that last Sunday they announced that the building
has been sold. There were no discussion allowed and no member was
allowed to speak up. Well now they have their money to build their extravagant church.
So what happens now to the members who worked very hard to have the building paid off? Also all the members that have contributed all these years? What will they get out of it? Well, the elders sure don't care they got what they wanted. Also there should have been a vote taken as to who agrees or disagrees with this Elders new venture. This should have been done by law. A church can not be sold without the majority of the votes. Which they have not done.
I believe that the proceeds should be split 50/50. How can the Elders justify taking all the money and leaving the members without any funds? Is this the Christian way??? Should we not look after one another and help each other? Obviously not in the Bible the Elders read.
OK...
What now..? Where do the members worship now? Are the Elders going to
take care of all that? Also there are a lot of elderly members who can
not travel far. What is going to happen to them? I can just imagine the
trauma some of them are going through this time of their life. Instead
of worshiping in peace and enjoying the fellowship, they are worried
what's going to happen to them now.
The Bible teaches us that we should take care of our elderly. Obviously it is not in the Bible that the Elders read.
I truly Pray that our GOD will not allow our elderly to be left and that HE will take care of them. I just cannot believe that the members have no guts to stand up for the truth. Are they so scared that they will be put under discipline? The Elders discipline means absolutely nothing because they are not following the word of GOD. May God Bless all the true believers and let our GOD take care of all this mess that people have created. Our Jesus Christ is the only true road to take. (AUS)
So what happens now to the members who worked very hard to have the building paid off? Also all the members that have contributed all these years? What will they get out of it? Well, the elders sure don't care they got what they wanted. Also there should have been a vote taken as to who agrees or disagrees with this Elders new venture. This should have been done by law. A church can not be sold without the majority of the votes. Which they have not done.
I believe that the proceeds should be split 50/50. How can the Elders justify taking all the money and leaving the members without any funds? Is this the Christian way??? Should we not look after one another and help each other? Obviously not in the Bible the Elders read.
OK...
What now..? Where do the members worship now? Are the Elders going to
take care of all that? Also there are a lot of elderly members who can
not travel far. What is going to happen to them? I can just imagine the
trauma some of them are going through this time of their life. Instead
of worshiping in peace and enjoying the fellowship, they are worried
what's going to happen to them now. The Bible teaches us that we should take care of our elderly. Obviously it is not in the Bible that the Elders read.
I truly Pray that our GOD will not allow our elderly to be left and that HE will take care of them. I just cannot believe that the members have no guts to stand up for the truth. Are they so scared that they will be put under discipline? The Elders discipline means absolutely nothing because they are not following the word of GOD. May God Bless all the true believers and let our GOD take care of all this mess that people have created. Our Jesus Christ is the only true road to take. (AUS)
Your comment?
COMMENT 1:
All
I can say, is that all these corrupt and evil things that are happening
in the lives of individual believers and in the Church is a sign of the
end times. Love between believers will grow cold, men will be lovers of
themselves more than God, love of money and greed will increase, and
Satan will have a field day, toying with believers to cause them to
turn to sin in sly ways, to use them as a tool of himself (Satan) to
destroy families, destroy churches, destroy peace, etc. Satan the
deceiver will make sure that believers don't have a conscience any more
for the wrong doings and sin they do, but will convince believers to
justify every action they do and their conscience will be so gone away,
that they will believe they are even doing the right thing. This is
sad, and Satan is truly taking over the church and individuals. Satan
is making believers blind, and each person must give an account to God
for their actions. Satan will not come in ways that we think. Satan
will deceive a believer in such cunning ways, that the believer will
not even be "aware". The problem is, that at the same time Satan is
toying with the believers, Satan will also take away the fear of God
from the believer. Men will be so wrapped up in themselves and their
wants and their own will, that they will forget God and have no fear of
God any more. This can only lead to their soul's destruction and
destroy a believer. Let's all be aware and wake up, and keep the fear
of God in us FIRST, and then perhaps we will be less likely to be
selfish and seek our own will.
However, the Bible says this WILL happen in the last days, so it can't be avoided. It must be fulfilled. How sad it is, that Satan will fool many believers. Satan does not care about unbelievers, but will gnaw at the heart of believers to slowly, so enticing, and deep in the heart of the lustful ways, and convince them to turn away from God and to turn slowly into sin, that the believer will not even be able to recognize any more that he is sinning. This is what happens when Satan takes a hold of a believer in a very sly way. The person is so convinced that he is doing the right thing, that he cannot see that he has fallen from Grace and cannot even be aware that he has sinned. Let us strive daily to be faithful and be aware of Satan's "cunning sly" ways, lest we too should fall. (AUS)
However, the Bible says this WILL happen in the last days, so it can't be avoided. It must be fulfilled. How sad it is, that Satan will fool many believers. Satan does not care about unbelievers, but will gnaw at the heart of believers to slowly, so enticing, and deep in the heart of the lustful ways, and convince them to turn away from God and to turn slowly into sin, that the believer will not even be able to recognize any more that he is sinning. This is what happens when Satan takes a hold of a believer in a very sly way. The person is so convinced that he is doing the right thing, that he cannot see that he has fallen from Grace and cannot even be aware that he has sinned. Let us strive daily to be faithful and be aware of Satan's "cunning sly" ways, lest we too should fall. (AUS)
COMMENT 2:
The people on the church title sold the church, they are the master minders. (AUS)
COMMENT 3:
Mr.
J. Tomek you are a genius, selling Altona church! "Congratulation!" Now
you can go and sell Adelaide church, then Paul Pentsa's church in
Brisbane. This way you'll have enough money for the new church instead
of getting a portable church on that land. (AUS)
COMMENT 4:
To Comment 3.
I don't see why not, Adelaide and Brisbane churches are empty. They can just sell them. What's the big deal when those with no consideration and love for others can sell Melbourne Church and laugh. (AUS)
COMMENT 4:
To Comment 3.
I don't see why not, Adelaide and Brisbane churches are empty. They can just sell them. What's the big deal when those with no consideration and love for others can sell Melbourne Church and laugh. (AUS)
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