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San Diego sex scandal

Rumor reducer
7 Nov 2017 1:47
Can anybody clear it up what is happening? This can't be good for anyone to have multiple, vastly different accounts of who cheated on who..

7 Nov 2017 3:48
What a shameful thing to post or ask about on this website! Haven't the victims been humiliated enough? Why put them through more? I'm surprised the moderator hasn't deleted this.

What does this have to do with spiritual abuse???

Rumor reducer
7 Nov 2017 4:07
@Shame- 90% of what's being seen here has nothing to do with "spiritual abuse" so don't get too worked up over this.
Try looking at it in a different light: perhaps knowing actual truth is what people need instead of dirty rumors...knowing who to pray for, could actually be a good thing? Don't you think?
You're on this website reading and commenting.... So don't get too full of yourself.

Rumor reducer
7 Nov 2017 9:54
Don’t go digging into people’s private lives. This has nothing to do with Australia, church thieves and elders being abusive. ‘Don’t get too worked up over this’ REALLY? Let’s hear about your life and humiliate your privacy… then you can talk. “Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye. IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! Moderator... Don’t hurt people you don’t know.

7 Nov 2017 10:03
I am not hurting anyone, I do not even know what you are talking about. Who is involved in that "sex scandal"..?

7 Nov 2017 10:13
Moderator PLEASE do not post about peoples hurts. This topic ‘Sex Scandal’ is bullying! RUMOR REDUCER: You don’t need to know facts or details about someone’s private life in order to pray for them. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!

7 Nov 2017 10:15
Is any minister / elder involved?

7 Nov 2017 10:17

7 Nov 2017 10:20
Please send me a private e-mail,, and explain what is all this about. Then I will decide whether it is appropriate for this website or not. Thanks.

Meanwhile, here is something to read. A New York Times article published 2 days ago.

The Conspiracy of Inaction on Sexual Abuse and Harassment
David Leonhardt NOV. 5, 2017

I caught the journalism bug in high school. I was fortunate to be a scholarship student at a rigorous New York private school with a weekly newspaper, and some of the older students I admired taught me the power that the written word could have.

When we complained verbally to teachers or administrators about a problem, they could ignore us. When we put our arguments in writing, they tended to pay attention. So we became teenage crusaders, inveighing against perceived injustices. Sometimes, the subjects were sophomoric (“censorship” of the talent show), but often they were serious (inequality, racism, South African divestment).

Three decades later, I look back on the experience with deep gratitude. I also look back with haunting regret.

For all of our crusading, we ignored the biggest story at the school. We were aware of the rumors — the teachers who made comments about girls’ bodies, the teacher suspiciously friendly with female students, the music teacher solicitous of male students.

But we never wrote about it. As best as I can remember, we didn’t even talk about writing about it. We didn’t know how. It seemed too dark, too uncertain.

In 2012, the truth came out. My school — Horace Mann — had tolerated sexual molestation for decades. Administrators whose most solemn responsibility was protecting children instead chose to look the other way and protect child abusers. The music teacher, a cultish figure named Johannes Somary, was the worst abuser during my time. One of his victims later committed suicide.

The current torrent of harassment revelations — following Jodi Kantor’s and Megan Twohey’s Times exposé of Harvey Weinstein — has caused me to think back on high school again, because every big case has had something in common with Horace Mann.

People knew.

Even if they didn’t know the details — I didn’t know what Somary was actually doing — they knew that something was wrong. At Fox News, many knew that Roger Ailes and Bill O’Reilly mistreated women. At ABC, The New Republic and NPR, respectively, people talked about the harassment by Mark Halperin, Leon Wieseltier and Michael Oreskes. In Hollywood, people talked about Weinstein and Kevin Spacey — not to mention Donald Trump, who nonetheless became a heavily promoted reality star.

As the screenwriter Scott Rosenberg has written about Weinstein, “Everybody knew.” (The full quotation includes a colloquial adverb of emphasis between “everybody” and “knew.”)

“Maybe we didn’t know the degree. The magnitude of the awfulness,” Rosenberg continued. “But we knew something.”

And yet no one did anything about it. People were afraid to, or didn’t know how. So they — we — became part of an unwitting conspiracy of inaction.

This conspiracy has spanned the relatively powerless, like interns, secretaries and teenagers, to the wealthy and famous, as well as every level of power in between. Jill Abramson, my old boss, is one of the toughest journalists I know. Still, as a midlevel manager two decades ago, she didn’t go over the head of her old boss — Oreskes — to report his behavior at The Times, as she regretfully said last week.

Post-Weinstein, the emphasis has been on holding other abusers accountable. So far, each seems to deserve his delayed consequences. (And, yes, the severity of the various abuses varies.) I hope the exposés continue.

But post facto truth and punishment are not enough. We also need to figure out how to prevent future abuse. We need to make inaction feel unacceptable.

Doing so will require changes from both organizations and individuals. Every workplace and school should be asking itself: Do people here know how to report a suspicion of abuse? Do they feel comfortable doing so even when, as is typical, they have only an incomplete sense of it?

At most places, the answers remain no and no.

Organizations need “multiple, accessible avenues of complaint,” as a federal task force concluded. These avenues should be blazingly obvious, not buried in a corporate policy that nobody reads. They should include anonymous reporting options. They should feed into a process that’s confidential and fair, including to the accused.

Every leader should also read case studies, to understand how frequently other leaders, at Horace Mann, NPR and elsewhere, have bungled these situations, usually through cowardice. Often, a victim or someone else did summon the courage to come forward, only to have the institution do little or nothing.

But the changes can’t be only about policies and organizations. They need to be personal, too. I’m guessing that you get angry when you think about the abuse committed by Weinstein, O’Reilly, Trump or Somary — about the long-lasting misery they have inflicted on other human beings. I certainly do.

The next time I see something that doesn’t seem quite right, I’m going to remember that anger. One conspiracy of inaction is more than enough for a lifetime.

7 Nov 2017 11:30
If you wanted to know about someone to pray for them, you wouldnt have "sex scandal" in the title. This is not leadership abuse its a private issue. BIG shame for posting this and having a desire to smear them on the internet. Its one thig when someone is abusing, and another when two people fall into sin and you want to smudge them. SHAME

7 Nov 2017 11:40
From a private email: "San Diego topic does not involve ministers/elders. A married man and married woman had an affair."

I will now close this thread.


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