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ACCN Forum | Are you attending the right church?

Follower of Jesus Ch

13 Mar 2018 0:01

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Because church is composed of imperfect people, there is no perfect church that possesses all the ideals we all want and look for.

There is, however,
Finding the right church for you

Many people are not discerning in choosing a church to come and commit to, and thus they end up receiving the wrong teachings, committing themselves to causes that aren't really important, and cause their own growth in the Lord to totally stop. Yes, these things do happen to those who go to the wrong church.

The right church, however, will bring good things to the life of any Christian.

Those who choose the right church receive sound Biblical and Godly instruction, find themselves faced with opportunities to exercise their gifts for the right purposes, and allow themselves to receive "nutrients" necessary as they grow in Christ.


Excited to find the right church for you? If you are, here are a few things you should consider when looking for a church.

What to look for in a church

1) Sound teaching

The very first thing that you should look for in a church would be sound teaching.

There are many good-looking, thickly populated churches today but many of them lack sound Biblical teaching. Their teachings revolve on prosperity, their style is worldly, and their aim is to get more people to come and attend, instead of preaching the Gospel of Christ.

2) Authentic and warm fellowship

Are the people in that church warm and sincere in how they accommodate you and your family? If the teachings are Biblically sound and the people are loving and Christ-like, chances are you've found a good church to go to.

Authentic fellowship is a key element to a good church. Believers ought to love one another and serve one another, and pray for each other. This is what God's people should be doing to each other. Hatred and groupings are strong indicators the church is a big no go zone. It's based on politics and dictatorship.

3) Prayer

The church you choose should be one that has a fiery prayer life. Church leaders should be prayerful, and the gatherings characterized with a significant amount of prayer times. God should be central to that church's activities, not the activities themselves.

4) Continuous remembrance of Jesus Christ

The church you choose should always remind itself of what the Lord Jesus Christ has done. Think about it: Christianity is about Him, and when He's taken out of the picture it's not Christianity anymore.

5) The Holy Spirit is the one leading

Many churches might have the first four played out well, but they miss this last factor that's so important, churches will die without Him: the Holy Spirit.

Some churches stifle and grieve the Holy Spirit. Some try to silence and stop Him from doing His thing, while others spread mystical teachings about Him. Both are wrong.
The Holy Spirit should be the one leading the church and not the 'front row'.

yes

13 Mar 2018 16:25

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TRUE!!

This is the same case with the Jewish nations, many have their hearts and minds covered because they are not new testament Jews, but still old testament Jews, living under the law, but not under grace. Those trying to justify themselves with the old testament do not have Christ. The new testament teaching in and with Christ, is what Jews and Christians should be following.

2 Corinthians 3:
14. However, their minds became closed. In fact, to this day the same veil is still there when they read the Old Testament. It isn't removed, because only Christ can remove it.
15. Even today, whenever they read the Law of Moses, the veil still covers their minds.

Agree

13 Mar 2018 22:34

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Amen to Follower of Jesus! Point 2 missing from Tarneit church. Church goers are full of hypocrisy, hatred, jealousy, gossip and the list goes on. Blind blind blind! May God open their eyes.

Oh yes

13 Mar 2018 22:40

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False converts hate confrontation. They close up and defend themselves, or, better yet, attack back in order to keep the confronter at bay. They can’t possibly believe that they could have sinned in some way. False converts are prideful and don’t ever own up to sins that they have committed. In other words, they are blind to their sin.

Regarding Jews

13 Mar 2018 23:00

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The door of salvation is now opened to the Gentiles (ANYONE THAT WAS NOT BORN A JEW). Once, that door is closed that's when the Jews will call upon the Lord, when all nations shall rise aganst Israel. Until then, the Jewish people will continue in their disbeief & stubbornness.

Marsden

14 Mar 2018 10:16

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Corruption in both Marsden & Tarneit. The people who attend are worse than unbelievers. Just have a good look at Dennis Flora, John Petrak, no clue on leading the flock. Bricis stole from families in order to gain worldy riches. Disgusting filthy rags.

Refreshing Words
Australia
14 Mar 2018 12:47

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Follower of Jesus, you are right.
There are some beautiful little churches around for people to find where you will find the Holy Spirit at work. They are filled with compassion and kindness and genuine HUMILITY.
It is that genuine humility that is like medicine to those that have come from churches where there is no grace or humility, where the Holy Spirit is not allowed to move and the prosperity gospel is King. Genuine humility is the most attractive to those who are able to recognize it.(By the Grace of God Almighty)


Moderator
Australia
14 Mar 2018 13:25

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"Follower of Jesus Ch", "Agree", "Oh yes", "Regarding Jews", "Marsden", you are the same person. You post here using your Samsung Galaxy S8 phone. I do not like when people play games with the visitors of this website, like posting comments and then replying to themselves.

Marsden

14 Mar 2018 15:31

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To "Marsden," hmmm you keep bashing Marsden and Tarneit but are the leaders of Altona (formerly known as Altona 2) really any better?? Its a question to ponder....

marvel not
Australia
14 Mar 2018 18:18

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2 Timothy 3;
But know this,that in the lasy days perilous times will come:
For men will be lovers of money,boasters,proud,blasphemes,diobedient
to parents,unthankful,unholy,unloving,unforgiving,slanderers,without
self-control,brutal,despisers fo good,traitors,headstrong,haughty,
lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.
Having a form of godliness but denying its power.
And from such people turn away!

13) But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse,deceiving and being deceived.
And "Yes" in every church you will find few bad christians.

Lets not forget

14 Mar 2018 20:54

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Lets not forget the Doroslovac churches in both, Melbourne and Brisbane. Full of evil doers and murderes who have hated and still hate on the one family without a cause. These blind people think they will be saved. You hypocrites and false accusers know exactly who you are.

Marsden

14 Mar 2018 23:05

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Murderers? Come on. Lets not get carried away.

these are clear

15 Mar 2018 0:01

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1 John 3:15

Anyone who hates another brother or sister is really a murderer at heart. And you know that murderers don't have eternal life within them.

Matthew 7:16

You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

shocked
Australia
20 Mar 2018 9:22

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I am not part of your church but have read comments on this website and found them shocking.

Moderator
Australia
20 Mar 2018 9:50

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Yeah, tell me.

Moderator
Australia
20 Mar 2018 10:13

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Btw. folks there was an issue with locations not showing properly but this is hopefully fixed. All future comments will be displayed together with their locations (i.e. user's country).

Thanks.

Groups

25 Mar 2018 22:09

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How many splinter groups are there now in the Doroslovac churches? and which "group" is the right way to follow?


same....

26 Mar 2018 13:29

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probably the same number on the Gicanov group of churches.....

Eh...

26 Mar 2018 14:00

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Eh I don't know about that. The Doroslovac's left themselves so thus they are a splinter group and split into a million sides since then since they never had unity anyway.

The Gicanovs were on the true path so they never split anymore.

Response
USA
26 Mar 2018 14:31

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Also, no one here knows what youre talking about when you say Gicanov church because the original group that stayed and did not split away in 1952 was not named after a man. The DS church is only known today by the name of its creator. Wrong if you ask me but whatever...some people enjoy following man I suppose.

other side????
Australia
26 Mar 2018 15:19

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Gicanov is the other elder that was in conflict with the Doroslovac elder.

The Gicanov side ended up being the ACCN group side.

who knows who was in the wrong or right...

each side usually blames the other group.

why split?
Australia
26 Mar 2018 15:55

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why did they split in 1952?

was there a reason?

everyone usually points the finger on the one that split away.

but was there a reason for splitting away?

interesting info
Australia
26 Mar 2018 15:57

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how come nobody talks about this fact.......

the ACCN & ACCA churches split in about 1905 before there were any Doroslovac churches in North America...

This was one split within the Gicanov Church in North America...

may be possible
Australia
26 Mar 2018 16:18

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The majority of the Gicanov side only knows the errors of the Doroslovac side.
and
the majority of the Doroslovac side only knows the errors of the Gicanov side.

so, fact needs to be exposed from both sides to get an indication who was/is in the error or who was in the right...

both had their right moves, and wrong moves....(if each want to realize this)

don't understand

26 Mar 2018 17:34

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Why to bring this up now and debate,when these that were involved in the
splits 1905 &1952 pastaway long time. Seems some people have no better things to do;
We no need to dig up the past;Just look around and see how many splits are in nowadays.... soon will come that every family will have a church in there own house.

don't understand

26 Mar 2018 18:11

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It's me agin! Just want to add one more thing; Lookong at today's leaders,Gicanov and Doroslovac were not the worst.

But some who are mentally disturbed hold on to the past, instead to go forward. "It's sickening"

a note

26 Mar 2018 22:26

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If the past has not been reconciled, its still present.
But, we need to move forward too.

The past will not set us free.
The TRUTH will set us free.

We dont need to bring up the past if we dont want to look at both sides of the story.
One sided will always prove the other in fault.

And, the Bible is the only guide and answer:

1 Timothy 5:21:

I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.

to: Groups

26 Mar 2018 22:27

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attention: "Groups"

why did you bring this up?

to: "Eh"

26 Mar 2018 22:30

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attention: "Eh"

re.
Eh I don't know about that. The Doroslovac's left themselves so thus they are a splinter group and split into a million sides since then since they never had unity anyway.

The Gicanovs were on the true path so they never split anymore.

refer to "interesting info" comment....

worst is today

26 Mar 2018 22:32

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yes, they were not the worst.

our current leaders are worst.

they are cunning, and still remain as elders, are not accountable to anyone, and make MOST members BELIEVE they are doing Gods service.

where, back then, the split indicated who was in the error, when the elders didnt want to take responsibility for their sins...



Reply

27 Mar 2018 0:29

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The ACCA had nothing to do with what happened in Europe. It wasn't even the "Gicanov" or "Doroslovac" back then..they were still together. There was only one church. You can't say it was all "Gicanovs" back then. So how can one take that split to back up either side? You can't.

Topic right churc

27 Mar 2018 1:48

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This topic is about finding the right church, so where is the right church? I see a lot of hypocrisy and hostality one towards another in these so called Nazarene churches.

Do we even know

27 Mar 2018 2:59

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And anyway, do we even know who these people Gicanov and Doroslovac even were? I bet not a single one of us knows a thing about either of these two brothers. If we do, let's here it. Otherwise, we can't put down either.

Following

27 Mar 2018 3:47

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Somebody surly must know the history about Gicanov and Doroslovac they have a pretty strong following and these groups sure know how to Judge the ACCN and other churches.

Re: Following

27 Mar 2018 6:25

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I don't know much about Gicanov, but I believe the ACCN "IS" the Gicanov church.

accountability.
Australia
27 Mar 2018 11:31

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what are we going to be accountable for?

lets look at the Bible's teaching of what BOTH sides did that was good and correct, and lets continue doing this.

and

lets look at the Bible's teaching of what BOTH did that was incorrect, and lets NOT continue doing this.

i think this is more beneficial, then pointing the finger on either church.

this is what we will be accountable for.

Unresolved issues

28 Mar 2018 2:28

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Mirolarad Doroslovac was taken down from eldership back or around in 1945 I guess the Swiss elders tried to resolve the issues with Milorad Doroslovac and the churches problems they had back in their day regarding government land ownership and sins in the church but it was to no avail so Doroslovac group split.
No reconciliation was made and therfore we see the attitude with one towards another in these days also.

justice??

28 Mar 2018 10:50

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What was the reason Mister Milorad was removed from eldership?
Paul Pentsa elder was removed because of his sin, not because of being in the right, yeah?
The Bible says in Isaiah 59:15
Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey. The LORD looked and was displeased that there was no justice.
Someone could have been the prey, because of shunning evil. And, when someone is very vocal against the sin, can make others feel that the person being loud and vocal is in the error. But, not always the case, yeah?
Its not always the case when an elder is removed by other group of elders, that the removed elder was in the error.
Nobody should follow or continue in the path of whatever Milorad committed against the Bible.
Nor, should anyone follow or continue in the path of whatever ACCN or Gicanov elder committed against the Bible.
There is no respect of persons with God.


which case?
Australia
28 Mar 2018 11:26

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disobedience to other elders is not a sin.

disobedience to GOD'S word is a sin.

which was the case here?

hatred is a sin, murder is a sin, adultery is a sin, lie is a sin....

no following the majority of elders' decisions is not a sin.

not following the committee elders is not a sin.

not following the constitution of the elderbody is not a sin.

not following the governments church constitution through the elders / elder group / elder committee is not a sin.

does an elder / elderbody /elder committee, elders' constitutions....etc need to be exalted ABOVE God's word or above the knowledge of God?

to which captivity do we need to bring out lives in align with?

2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;



query
Australia
28 Mar 2018 16:23

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to unresolved issues:

- why was he removed from eldership?
- what was the reason for their split?
- what issues/church problems did the Swiss elders try to resolve?

TO: "Eh"

31 Mar 2018 0:47

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a note to:

"eh"....

re. The Doroslovac's left themselves.......

Yes, but you have to know the whole story, and KNOW both sides of the story.

Yes, they left, but the situation with Novi Sad was that the Gicanov side "LOCKED" the church so the Doroslovac side couldnt come to church.

So, you say they left, yes, BUT who was the cause here?

The Gicanov side locked the church doors so the others couldnt come in.

And then people comment on the part that "they left"....but dont state all parts of the story.

Lets be honest, without partiality.

TO: "Reply"

31 Mar 2018 0:55

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to "reply"....

we have the ACCN split during about 1980/1981 within itself and became as east and west elder committee as well.
plus
the ACCA split recently too as well (about 2012).

neither of these sides are Doroslovac sides, yeah?



Reply

31 Mar 2018 2:55

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You have no idea what you're talked about. All the elders agreed unanimously that he is not an elder anymore. What are the reasons...who cares. The point is, the Swiss and Serbs tried to work with him and he refused. Instead he was too prideful and made his own followers. So if it's true that they locked out the split group, good. I hope they dead-bolted it too.

really??????
Australia
31 Mar 2018 21:54

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to Mister or Mistress "reply":

re. You have no idea what you're talked about....

Ofcourse!!

If we dont look at the Bibles teaching, then it was ok that the church doors were locked.

its clear that you dont know the story, NOR do you want to know, so just keep out of it. CLEAR AS THAT!!!!!!!!!

they locked them out, BEFORE they split.

so, the split was BECAUSE the people locking the doors.

you know even know what you are stating NOR what you are confirming.

simply, DONT COMMENT until you want to realise fact, and until you are willing to understand what happened, and HOW it happened.

doing unto other like you want people to do to you, is Christ's teaching.

if God closes the door on you, are you going to put a smile on your face?
or
are you going to want to have Him put a dead-bolted lock on the door?

I am not approving anything wrong that either side has committed, or either side's elder/s wrongs that has been committed.

I was stating what happened, and how it happened, and for what reason it happened.

Proof!!!!!!

4 Apr 2018 0:53

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To really, how do know the Doroslovac was locked out before the church split and why we're they locked out in the first place?

Move on

4 Apr 2018 10:05

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Forget about who locked who out. God has that recorded. Those who were involved in such evil acts will give account and those who have sat in their seats quietly whilst the decent were being abused will also give account. All thise who have locked a brother or sister out, God have mercy on your souls

to: proof
Australia
4 Apr 2018 21:41

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to "PROOF"....

sounds like whatever someone states, and its not to your liking, you will try and find a way not to believe it.

well, you have that ability to act that way, but your cannot change the fact, even if you didnt like it happened.

the only way out, is repentance, and confessing those committed sins.

but, I have personally heard with my ears from a number of members who were in that church, and who were actually locked out.

and then those that were locked out, moved to another location to gather, and bought another building for another church..

I am not supporting or justifying either side errors, or either sides' elders' wrong doings, I am stating what happened.

there is NO justified reason to lock ANYWAY our of Gods House.

the only biblical explanation why anyone would want to do this, is clearly written in the bible:

and its because of HATRED.

Isaiah 66:5

Hear this message from the LORD, all you who tremble at his words: "Your own people hate you and throw you out for being loyal to my name. 'Let the LORD be honored!' they scoff. 'Be joyful in him!' But they will be put to shame.


and.....

not only hatred, they will think its right to do it, and even believe its what God wanted them to do...

John 16:2,3

2. They will ban you from the synagogues. In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering service to God.
3. They will do these things because they haven’t known† the Father or me



The real Question is
Australia
4 Apr 2018 22:36

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The real question should be are you in the right religion. Having Lay people running a church is/will never work. They've never studied any form of theology, they seem to favouritise their families and close alles that allow them to break rules, steal, lie etc. There are many other Christian religions out there. Do your homework and see which one is right for you.

Moderator
Australia
5 Apr 2018 11:34

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I wrote this on 20 Mar 2018:

>>Btw. folks there was an issue with locations not showing properly but this
>>is hopefully fixed. All future comments will be displayed together with their
>>locations (i.e. user's country).

Well, not so. Will have to find another solution.

to real question
Australia
7 Apr 2018 1:29

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Does the Bible teach, implement, direct, preach, indicate that a person needs to study theology to become a genuine follower of Jesus Christ?

I dont recall any verse teaching this or leading a person in this direction.

If there is, could we have the verse/s displayed please?

Many thanks.

Favourtise families is wrong.
Favourising close alles is wrong.
Allowing anyone to break the rules, steal, lie..etc is wrong.

To: to real question
Australia
8 Apr 2018 21:46

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As per usual someone jumps to conclusions, what was said to have a Lay person running a religion will never work, reason being they don't have the right interpretation of the bible (examples are rampant all through this forum) Theology will help with interpretations, how to be a Person of God, how to teach others, empathise with others, living within your means with no excess, etc.
A Lay person who works outside the Church doesn't have the time and knowledge to dedicate their life to the church.
To be a genuine follower of Jesus Christ is different.


John H.
USA
9 Apr 2018 17:11

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Hello,

I'm writing from Florida, U.S.A. I have been studying Scriptures, praying, and desiring a closer walk with God. I've made so many mistakes. I really don't know anything about the Apostolic Nazarene Church. I know nothing of the elders, historical splits, etc. Through my Scripture studies, I have just found that I believe what many of the conservative Anabaptist congregations believe. A Mennonite referred me to a small Nazarene Church. I believe this congregation is independent of any larger governing bodies. Actually, it seems quite "ethnic" to me because it is composed largely of Serbians and some other eastern Europeans. The people were extremely friendly to me. They truly held close to godly standards from what I saw. The sermons were biblical. However, the form of the Apostolic service is just different from anything I have ever experienced. I was also in a Church with an entire congregation that was quite culturally different from myself. I got scared and I left. However, I've missed those people ever since I left. I really don't want to go down the wrong road and some of my research worried me (such as this website). So... I'm asking. Should I attend this Church or just seek out a Mennonite congregation? If I wanted to join the Church, would I be accepted considering that I am not eastern European? Are there any things I should be worried about? Like I said, about everything in the Apostolic Church is completely new for me. I feel bad about emailing a random person on-line about this, rather than just asking them. However, I didn't visit the Church for very long and I just didn't feel comfortable asking some questions. Your website listed several concerns regarding elder leadership and I'm just hoping this little Serbian congregation is as godly as it seems to me. I don't ever want to join a congregation to have to walk away again and I really don't want to be led astray. I'm hoping you could provide me with some guidance.

Sincerely,

John H.


to John H
Australia
9 Apr 2018 21:02

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at which location was this small Nazarene Church?
In Florida?

answer to John H

9 Apr 2018 21:12

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You will find much imperfections in every church, on every brother or sister, on every elder of a church.
but, what would be "serious fundamental" biblical teachings that we all should not deviate from?
some points i believe would be:
- living a godly and holy life / speech / dress code....etc
- sins unto death
- being in or serving the armed forces / bearing arms
- swearing of oaths
- being in the ecumenical church register
- families having large number of children

which Christians Churches preach and uphold these.....


New

9 Apr 2018 22:34

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Answer to John H
If you are serious ... ... it's
4003 Joe Sanchez Rd
Plant City
Florida USA

(Exit 10/11 of Hwy 4/400)
Sunday 9:00am
Sunday 3:00pm
Thursday 7:30pm

To John H
Australia
11 Apr 2018 22:47

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Run don't walk.
This is a fundamentalist Christian Church with a lot of infighting.

To John H.
USA
15 Apr 2018 13:55

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Dear John,

I feel I should write a proper comment here in regards to your question since nobody else wants to answer you.

This church that you visited, do you recall where it was? I can give you some information about "our" church. The Apostolic Christian Church and Nazarene church is the same thing, the name is used interchangeably. In regards to your questions, no, you don't need to know anything about past splits. It doesn't matter. In fact, this is not what you should be looking for anyway, if you are seeking your soul's salvation. There are a number of our churches in Florida, the one you seem to be referring to is Plant City. The Nazarene church is not a church that you can just "join." There is serious change in your life that is required. The way they do things to accept people is all from scripture. You must go back and correct any wrongdoing that you can think of. Then you confess all your sins to an elder and he will baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. After this, your life is COMPLETELY changed. Nazarenes do not date. They do not go to bars, to movie houses. They mostly keep to themselves away from non-Nazarenes. The standard of holiness is quite high and you will be made fun of in the world. But Jesus said, "take up your cross and follow me." He also said if you are ashamed of Him, He will be ashamed of YOU on judgment day. But it is a beautiful life. It is a beautiful life of serving our Lord daily, and in fellowship with like-minded believers. Of course you can join if you are not Serbian. It's just that in Europe is where our church originated, and then we immigrated here and opened churches throughout the United States. That's why there are so many Eastern Europeans in our church. I encourage you to attend there. Ask questions, they will be more than happy to answer. It's extremely rare (but it DOES happen) that someone from the "outside" becomes a member and that is because of the extremely high level of holiness that is required. You WILL be different. You WILL stick out. Especially the sisters. But the Lord will reward you richly if truly in your heart you seek to serve him. I hope you decide to attend. As you can see on this website, this church is not perfect. There are many problems, but honestly, the church is not this website. This website is where the people with problems come to complain because the elders don't give a hoot to their demands. In all honesty, you will not see this kind of language/talk in everyday church life. Sure, here and there there will be disagreements. But we are human, no? We must strive to serve Him greater that is all. Like I said, being a Nazarene is a beautiful life. And the connection we have with one another is unlike ANY church in the world, and even the meanest, nastiest people on this website will agree with me on that. In no other church in the world can you travel across the country or cross oceans and be welcomed into the homes of fellow believers of this faith to spend the night and yet you have never met them, and STILL have no fear whatsoever of staying with a stranger. I don't care what anyone else says, this is in NO OTHER church except the Nazarenes. Seek Him, and He will reach out to you. Knock and it shall be opened unto you.

Concerned
Australia
15 Apr 2018 14:39

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Just a word to you John H... don't think that joining the Apostolic Christian Church of Nazarene will give you salvation. NO church will give you salvation, so the "name" is not what saves you. It is your relationship with God that will save you, your faith and walk of life, and it is ONLY through Jesus Christ that you can have salvation. Just don't make the mistake thinking joining any church will save you...and it's not the "joining" of the church. It's repenting, making restitution and being baptized with the water and spirit and living according to the word of God. I have heard too many Nazarenes say that they are saved "because" they are a "Nazarene". Names won't save you and churches won't save you. Get baptized because it is the way you believe and choose to live.

verses to John H
Australia
17 Apr 2018 13:45

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John 3:
3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

5. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Romans 6:
6. Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
11. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Galatians 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.



John H
USA
6 May 2018 15:26

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Thanks, for the replies. While I'm aware that joining a congregation does not bring a person salvation, I would like to worship amongst people of similar belief. I had never even heard of the Apostolic Church until a kind believer (from a mennonite congregation) referred me. I've been wrong on a thing or two in the past and have even been part of a congregation that had Biblical elements, but did let worldly influence in for the sake of adding membership. I don't want to be a part of that and God has been good to me by guiding me. As we all probably do, we research things we involve ourselves in and I just found this website. On many posts I've read quite harsh comments, so I asked my earlier questions. Thanks, for the Scriptural replies. As I said, I know nothing of the Apostolic groups or governance concerns. I just know that I had visited a small Nazarene Congregation in Florida and found it to be a wonderful place. They were all friendly, but more importantly, it really seemed like they strived for Scriptural truth. The leadership was shared, the elders were not professional paid clergy, and they really seemed to believe in true repentance. Some things I've read scared me, but I really have missed that little Nazarene Church. I didn't hear anything that wasn't Bible truth the whole time I was there.

Gods Spirit
Australia
8 May 2018 0:25

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May the Spirit lead you forward with the desire He has given and for the reason he is calling you for.
Past events that were not biblical cannot alter the Bibles teaching for all of us today.
The harsh comments were mostly true, however, lets look ahead.
re.
Philippians 3:13
Brothers, I do not consider myself to have taken hold of it. But one thing indeed: Forgetting the things behind and reaching forward to the things ahead,

Gods Spirit didn't lead you to that Church without a reason, or without a cause.

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Romans 13:11
Besides this, since you know the time, it is already the hour for you to wake up from sleep, because now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed.

2 Peter 1:1
From Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ--To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have been given a faith as precious as ours:

Jude 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

1 Timothy 1:5
Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.



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Paul Pentsa
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Andrew Szabo
Perth
Vlada Papuga
Melbourne
Philip Ruzeu
Melbourne
Nick Pentsa
Brisbane
Michael Stanjo
Melbourne
STAY AWAY FROM THIS MAN! His mouth is full of Biblical verses but his heart is filled with hatred, jealousy, treachery and lust for power. This FALSE CHRISTIAN is the root of almost all evil in ACCN in Australia and he will even take you to court, if he can't get his way.
Janko is pretty much like Paul, dishonest and unloving, just less intelligent. Janko is now building his humongous "warehouse" in Tarneit, destined to remain void of both faith and members. This UNREPENTED SINNER is still dreaming about becoming an elder!
Hard-hearted and egoistic, this long-time "elder" has caused immense grief, division and misery amongst the Nazarenes in Australia. Some even call him a sadist... not that Andrew really cares about anyone's opinion, though. Currently residing in a nursing home in Perth.
Earned his nickname by constantly repeating "Ljubazni" (Dear Ones) while preaching. This recently appointed "elder assistant" is ambitious, but at the same time not clever enough to realize he will always be just Paul's and Janko's messenger boy.
Philip is Paul Pentsa's son-in-law and definitely his best student. Proud, stubborn, arrogant - a classic bigot. Due to his off-putting personality and some weird beliefs, he's not on very good terms with Janko Tomek and other Slovaks in Tarneit.
Here is your future Elder, whether you like the idea or not. Nicky is "a very nice guy". No gift for preaching or leadership skills, but being Paul Pentsa's son, he's actually got everything he needs. Sooner or later his Dad will find the way to install him as his successor.
Janko Tomek's loyal admirer and bodyguard - sleazy, hypocritical, dishonest and ignorant. His interpretation of the Scriptures can make you laugh as well as his awkward sermons in broken English.


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