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ACCN Forum | To: Petar Stefan

Confused?
USA
12 Jul 2018 13:08

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To: Petar Stefan

Petar Stefan’s letter to the Church member of Columbia Station dated: August 29th, 2015.

It has become apparent that there is significant discord in our church and it has become extremely difficult if not impossible for the church to function in an effective manner consistent with our faith. The trustees of the church have decided to temporarily suspend church services as of August 31, 2015. Do no enter onto church property without the express written permission of the trustees. Personal items within the church will be returned accordingly by the Trustees and requests for particular items may be expressed to them as well.


Petar Stefan we ask you these questions regarding your letter dated Aug 29, 15.

1. Can you give us an accurate definition of what a Trustee means, the duties of a Trustee and who the Beneficiary of a church corporation is?
2. Can you explain what ‘DISCORD’ you are talking about in this letter? Was the ‘discord’ regarding ‘your personal faith / belief’ or because the members opposed your plans to sell the church or was this just a ploy for financial gain.
3. Petar you stated that it is impossible for the church to function in an effective manner consistent with ‘OUR’ faith’. What faith are you referring to? Are you referring to the Faith of love, kindness, mercy, truth, honesty, compassion, and being a trustful steward of the kingdom of Jesus Christ? Or is it your belief that it is okay to lie, steal, to cause hatred and division against the brethren and to accuse brothers of doing the very act that you have committed?
4. Could the church have functioned in an effective manner without you and your son Dorel?
5. What is the definition of, ‘TEMPORARILY’ mean to you? Does it mean FOR SALE?
6. You also said personal items will be returned; however you have taken EVERYTHING from all contributing members.
7. How can you fix this and are you willing to fix this? -- Would you & Dorel be willing to sell your house to pay back your legal fees? --


please explain Peter
Australia
13 Jul 2018 0:10

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re.
3. Petar you stated that it is impossible for the church to function in an effective manner consistent with ‘OUR’ faith’.

how, and in which way have you functioned 'OUR' faith from Aug.29, 2015 to present?

where have you been conducting "OUR" faith from Aug.29, 2015 to present?

which church of "OUR" faith have you been part of since Aug.29, 2015 until present?

which church of "OUR" faith have you been a member of from Aug.29, 2015 until present?

Mosho Petre
Australia
13 Jul 2018 0:17

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re.
The trustees of the church have decided to temporarily suspend church services as of August 31, 2015.

what does temporarily suspend church services mean when the church is up for sale?

is putting the church up for sale and temporarily suspend church services, the same?

did you put it up for sale, or did you temporarily suspend church services?

1 John 2:21
I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

Proverbs 12:17
He who speaks truth tells what is right, But a false witness, deceit.

John 8:32
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Micah 2:1
USA
7 Oct 2018 14:28

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To Petar Stefan,

You had mentioned disagreements and injustice being done when the four trial minsters at Columbia Station received confirming votes in the ministry by both paper ballot and standing vote. The term I believe you used was, jumping over the fence’ and it being against the ‘European church order.’ You went as far as saying that the work was not from God.

I don’t understand what you mean by disagreements when you yourself stood up in agreement with the majority. If you wanted individual votes why didn’t you stand up and voice your opinion before the votes took place or during the meeting?

Only time has revealed your trues colors and your evil plans. You were not upset about ‘European’ church order or the voting process. It was a ploy to accomplishing what you and your son Dorel set out to do – and that was to benefit monetarily with the sale of the church. You used and manipulated every single member to get what you wanted.

Where you upset that your son Dorel was not voted as a minster? Was revenge your initial motive?

OR

Did your quarreling and bitterness start in the late 80’s, beginning 90’s during the C.S church construction when your bricklaying wall (job) was demolished?

You achieved what you set out to do and accomplished your goal with the help of the ‘American’ ACCN elders which you so vocally spoke against.

Don't forget that the kids of Columbia Station church will grow up with God help and will remember you as A BAD MEAN OLD MAN.

Micah 2:1 - Woe to them that devise iniquity, and work evil upon their beds! when the morning is light, they practice it, because it is in the power of their hand.



explained clearly
Australia
7 Oct 2018 23:11

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I think this verse explain's it all, as far as I can see....

1 Tim.1:7
Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

ACC Church Sold
USA
9 Oct 2018 3:41

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For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

Matthew 6: 14-15

Lost souls
USA
9 Oct 2018 5:14

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They sold their souls to the devil.

Forgiveness
USA
9 Oct 2018 7:29

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Forgiveness does not exclude criminal sentences. The ACCN elders have a pattern of covering up crimes that should be reported to law enforcement.

The ACCN also punished individuals who were targeted and victimized by claiming they have not forgiven the perpetrators.

I didn't know that the elders had the right to punish a person based on their heart. I thought that was Gods decision because he knows people's hearts and men can act and pretend.

I also didn't hear that the Stefans, David Nicholson and all those involved including the committee ever apologize to the victims for the discrimination and for the losses that had occurred.

*****It was the committee which authorized the Stefan's, David and all involved to commit the crime they committed.*****

seriousness here
Australia
9 Oct 2018 14:12

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read carefully..................

1 Kings 13:
16. The man of God said, “I cannot turn back and go with you, nor can I eat bread or drink water with you in this place.
17. I have been told by the word of the Lord: ‘You must not eat bread or drink water there or return by the way you came.’”
18. The old prophet answered, “I too am a prophet, as you are. And an angel said to me by the word of the Lord: ‘Bring him back with you to your house so that he may eat bread and drink water.’” (But he was lying to him.) 19 So the man of God returned with him and ate and drank in his house.

can you see the wording:
"I am a prophet too".........

BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

continuation of.... 1 Kings 13:
20. While they were sitting at the table, the word of the Lord came to the old prophet who had brought him back.
21. He cried out to the man of God who had come from Judah, “This is what the Lord says: ‘You have defied the word of the Lord and have not kept the command the Lord your God gave you.
22. You came back and ate bread and drank water in the place where he told you not to eat or drink. Therefore your body will not be buried in the tomb of your ancestors.’”

can you see the wording:
"You have defied the word of the Lord and have not kept the command the Lord your God gave you."

BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Malachi 2:8
But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Apostle John wrote this: "many false prophets are gone out into the world.......about 2000 years ago???

what does this mean:
1 Peter 5:3
Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Acts 20:29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

for which reason do they do this?
because of:
Acts 20:30
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

can you see the wording:
........"to draw away disciples after them"

(to themselves NOT towards Christ or after Christ)

BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Degenerates
USA
12 Oct 2018 6:56

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The ACCN elders cannot discern what is right from wrong. They justify their actions and come up with creative reasons to their deeds.

very clear
Australia
12 Oct 2018 10:24

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Proverbs 17:15

He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous
are both alike an abomination to the Lord.

Little things
USA
12 Oct 2018 13:57

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Everyone knows the story in the Bible where a disciple was greedy and sold Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. I can only hope that people can see through the claims of David Nikolson, Petar and Dorel Stefan that the reason for closing Columbia Station was not for spiritual reasons or injustice with voting for the four ministers, but their plans were cynical. It was about destroying families and stealing churches funds of $7000 and a church building.

The Elders and all those involved who worked hard with the lawyers to protect the thieves are the Judas Iscariot and the priests.

When Judas Iscariot wanted to return the money to the priests, they didn’t want any part of it. The ACCN Elders who supported the criminal acts that took place in Columbia Station which one are you, Judas Iscariot, or are you the priest that perpetrated this scheme.

Dorel's intentions for money did not start in Columbia Station. When he was a member of the Geraldine (Cleveland Romanian Church), he wanted to be a treasure, but Moses Magda Sr. turned him down, so he left abruptly by slamming the door and never returning as a member. Dorel Stefan has said many times that Moses Magda Sr. wanted to control the churches money.

When Dorel was a treasure for Columbia Station in 2005 he was approached by Jon Petruz, Steve Mendrea Sr. and Peter Dolinga about $4000 that went missing while he was a treasure. Dorel did not answer where the $4000 went, and that money was never accounted for or returned. He was then immediately replaced with another treasurer.

Greediness and lust for power is idolatry. This example shows that $4000 turned into $7000, and $7000 turned into the sale of the church $725,000.00. You don't have to fornicate or do adultery, etc. to sin. It starts with the little things.


deadly covetousness
Australia
12 Oct 2018 22:51

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check and read for yourself.

Colossians 3:5
.................and covetousness, which is idolatry:

1 Kings 21:
.........(for those who don't know this story, read from the beginning of this chapter of 1 Kings 21......)

25. But there was none like unto Ahab, which did sell himself to work wickedness in the sight of the LORD, whom Jezebel his wife stirred up.
26. And he did very abominably in following idols, according to all things as did the Amorites, whom the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

To: Petar Stefan
USA
24 Oct 2018 15:38

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Do you know what Psychological projection is? It involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with unwanted feelings.

You have been playing the blame game, pointing fingers to others, and projecting your plans on to other members. It was your plan with Dorel to steal the church, sell it, pocket the money, and blame the Petras family for your actions.

How did you think this was going to go? Did you think that you would be a free member at the Doroslovac church and that nobody would know what you did here?

Did you think that you could excommunicate the Petras family with your lawyer, David Nickolson and the ACCN Elder committee?

Petar you are an egotistical man. You have a terrible habit of blaming people for the things that you have done. What you did will never be forgotten – this is the legacy you have chosen for your grandchildren.

well done
Australia
25 Oct 2018 17:15

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re.
How did you think this was going to go? Did you think that you would be a free member at the Doroslovac church and that nobody would know what you did here?

The Doroslovac Elders were not naive, and showed willingness to accept the truth from the Petras family, after questioning.

Give them credit for that....



I lied
USA
10 Dec 2018 14:44

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Matthew 5:37

Petar Stefan, you are a liar, and you lied to Judge James Miraldi that you were going to re-open the church and that lots of people were going to go to your church. It has been two years now, and you didn't open the church. The tractor company fell through on the sale of the church building, and it is clear that you are desperate to sell that you have yet again lowered the price to $649,000. Mark Meister, Dushko Dragojlovic, Willy Kurtz, David Nikolson and Mate Augostinov helped you to do this - you can thank them.

Petar if you can't remember what you said to Judge James Miraldi, re-play your November 2nd, 2016 courtroom testimony on YouTube and listen to what you said - ask yourself is my words yea, yea or nay, nay and if you are still a Nazarene.

(But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.)

Covid19
Serbia
25 Mar 2020 17:48

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My heart goes out to the people and families that have been affected by the Coronavirus (covid19) all over the world, many churches have been temporary closed due to the spread of this virus. I am not sure of the temporary church closer in the USA and Canada but I am pretty sure Dushko Dragolovic, Mark Meister, Willy Kurtz, David Nikolson, Petar and Doral Stefan are experts at closing churches down they don't even need governments advise in anything really, they do as they please, they believe they are above the law, so don't listen to Donald Trump and his government party, just obey the ACCN leaders, they are the committee, they are the big boss, they do as they please, the church is nothing, church have no rights and cannot function as church because of this church committee structure.

Viruse in the church
Serbia
26 Mar 2020 17:05

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Petar Stefan you are not the only the STEFANVIRUS that temporary closed down churches,,, Dushko Dragolovic you hypocrite now when it suits you to protect your self and your church from potential threat you shut down your church for all of March 2020, your church website states the presidents orders and following the White house guide lines. You and your committee buddies along with the Stefans and Nikolson are viruses but truthfully their is no medicine for you, what you have done in the past to churches and hurting innocent members is a silent virus that lives on and ignores their illness, HYPOCRITES, HYPOCRITES, HYPOCRITES!!!!

only way out
Australia
27 Mar 2020 0:15

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there is only one way out....REPENT, CONFESS and RECEIVE DISCIPLINE....

do it now while in this life while you have time.

the judgement day will not give you time for reconciliation....

and

show your buddy, removed elder paul pentsa, how it needs to be done the right way too.



conspiracies...yeah
Australia
27 Mar 2020 0:17

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................and

dont come up with any conspiracies that you elders dont need to repent from your sins, or confess your sins to the church, or that the church cannot provide discipline for you.

wondering fr/Canada
Canada
28 Mar 2020 3:30

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Pentsa finally removed? Thank the Lord that justice from the enlightened has FINALLY prevailed. One down one more to go - the phony empty opportunistic Roman Pentsa.

I have been told by some Doroslovac-ers that the Stefans are looking to unload the $600,000 proceeds from selling CS church(which btw is still listed on acc-nazarean.org - great oversight yeah/eh?). Looks like their sin is weighing down heavily and perchance? - they have repented?
The problem is nobody wants the money - cursed money? Blood money?. Superstition alive and well among some ACCNs?

Free members
Serbia
28 Mar 2020 7:53

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I am wondering will Trian Craciun eventually accept Petar and Doral Stefan into the Doroslovats fellowship?

W fr Can to free mem
Canada
28 Mar 2020 10:44

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Traian Craciun is now the national grand mcdaddy of the DS movement?

Trian Craciun
Serbia
28 Mar 2020 17:55

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Trian Craciun the national grand mcdaddy in charge, God help us! Is Trian like his brother Joe T. Craciun or worse?

Trian Craciun
Serbia
28 Mar 2020 20:40

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I don't know which one of these people i am as implied by Canada on another forum Elder handbook; ignorant Muslim imams sitting in their dusty backwards villages in the Middle East breathing a revolution against the 'infedils'. Good thing you said that you're in charge of a grand total of nothing you scare me.
Who knows maybe I am the boogeyman or I am somewhere in Irak or Afghanistan mountains breathing a revolution against infidels or maybe I am some silly Serbian in a way backward village who knows nothing? maybe,

Any way I heard back in the day from late elder brother Tosa Mohan Lawndale, CA Romanian church (Matei Audistinov church now) where Trian Craciun and his whole family attended. Brother Tosa Mohan stressed out how difficult it was with Trian Craciun and all the problems they caused, brother Tosa also said that Tosa and Trian Craciun were in the church counseling room (Sobica)and Trian Craciun wanted to fight brother Tosa Mohan and Tosa told Trian that in all the years he spent in Yugoslavia imprisonment for not bearing arms that he never retaliated against the Serbian soldiers or officers and now in church Trian is tempting elder Tosa Mohan into a fight, Tosa was very upset, not long after all that, Craciun family left the ACCN church and moved to Doroslovats church where apparently he is a big cheif elder and if Petar and Doral Stefan are counseling with Trian to get rid of CS church sale money to be accepted into their fellowship it makes total sense, violent men like Craciuns, Stefans Nikolsons and Magdas congregate together like files,,,, you know what i mean.

Where is Joe Craciun today? what church does he attend? Does Joe still preach that you should not get baptized by ACCN elders (maybe Joe's onto something) does Joe still preach God will accept you only as a friend?

I have a great idea, Magdas, Craciuns, Stefans and Prediys should start a online live stream church since they all are the same fanatics and opportunists, Petar Stefan has the rudest and loudest voice perhaps he can lead the way and appoint ministers and have David Nikolson as their elder, PERFECT right,,,, love it.


To: W fr/Canada
Serbia
29 Mar 2020 20:24

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I have been told by some Doroslovac-ers that the Stefans are looking to unload the $600,000 proceeds from selling CS church(which btw is still listed on acc-nazarean.org - great oversight yeah/eh?). Looks like their sin is weighing down heavily and perchance? - they have repented?
The problem is nobody wants the money - cursed money? Blood money?. Superstition alive and well among some ACCNs?

perchance? - they repented? Stefan's donating money from the sale of Columbia Station and saying to Doroslovats church I'm sorry, please accept us into your fellowship. That's not repentance at all, they continue to lie and deceive other churches!

Superstition alive and well among some ACCNs?
Would you take Petar and Doral Stefan donations? donations from the house of the Lord? A place of worship dedicated to God?

I know I wouldn't take any donations from the Stefan's!!!

lets go back in time,

1 Samuel 2 King James Version
12 Now the sons of Eli were sons of Belial; they knew not the Lord.

13 And the priest's custom with the people was, that, when any man offered sacrifice, the priest's servant came, while the flesh was in seething, with a fleshhook of three teeth in his hand;

14 And he struck it into the pan, or kettle, or caldron, or pot; all that the fleshhook brought up the priest took for himself. So they did in Shiloh unto all the Israelites that came thither.

15 Also before they burnt the fat, the priest's servant came, and said to the man that sacrificed, Give flesh to roast for the priest; for he will not have sodden flesh of thee, but raw.

16 And if any man said unto him, Let them not fail to burn the fat presently, and then take as much as thy soul desireth; then he would answer him, Nay; but thou shalt give it me now: and if not, I will take it by force.

17 Wherefore the sin of the young men was very great before the Lord: for men abhorred the offering of the Lord.

Stealing from the people of God, is it good to steal?

27 And there came a man of God unto Eli, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Did I plainly appear unto the house of thy father, when they were in Egypt in Pharaoh's house?

28 And did I choose him out of all the tribes of Israel to be my priest, to offer upon mine altar, to burn incense, to wear an ephod before me? and did I give unto the house of thy father all the offerings made by fire of the children of Israel?

29 Wherefore kick ye at my sacrifice and at mine offering, which I have commanded in my habitation; and honourest thy sons above me, to make yourselves fat with the chiefest of all the offerings of Israel my people?

30 Wherefore the Lord God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the Lord saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.

31 Behold, the days come, that I will cut off thine arm, and the arm of thy father's house, that there shall not be an old man in thine house.

32 And thou shalt see an enemy in my habitation, in all the wealth which God shall give Israel: and there shall not be an old man in thine house for ever.

33 And the man of thine, whom I shall not cut off from mine altar, shall be to consume thine eyes, and to grieve thine heart: and all the increase of thine house shall die in the flower of their age.

34 And this shall be a sign unto thee, that shall come upon thy two sons, on Hophni and Phinehas; in one day they shall die both of them.

Punishment on the 2 theives and on Eli, Why?

continue.

To: W fr/Canada
Serbia
29 Mar 2020 21:05

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Continue.

How can Petar and Doral Stefan's donations be justified? and who is willing to justify the Stefan's donations? perhaps Moses Magda, David Nikolson, Joe Craciun can justify the Stefan's actions and future donations of CS church sale, I would love to hear their justification on this forum, I invite Magda, Craciun and Nikolson to have their say on this forum.

What about Saul? (not the t.v show) offering sacrifices to God,
What offerings? Saul's first fruits of his best blessings? yeah right....

1 Samuel 15 King James Version
15 Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord.

2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

5 And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.

6 And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.

7 And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.

8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.

9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.


Did God really want a sacrifice from Saul and spoils from another nation that was Pagan and against God?
Think about this, Saul took what was not his nor was it given to him as a personal gift or a holy sacrifice gift to God!

Some will think that this is OK, because its my family, good friends and etc. Sad and pathetic.




11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night.

12 And when Samuel rose early to meet Saul in the morning, it was told Samuel, saying, Saul came to Carmel, and, behold, he set him up a place, and is gone about, and passed on, and gone down to Gilgal.

13 And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of the Lord: I have performed the commandment of the Lord.

14 And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?

15 And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.

16 Then Samuel said unto Saul, Stay, and I will tell thee what the Lord hath said to me this night. And he said unto him, Say on.

17 And Samuel said, When thou wast little in thine own sight, wast thou not made the head of the tribes of Israel, and the Lord anointed thee king over Israel?

Do you see how Saul was deceived in his own heart and thoughts and how foolish he really was that he could donate things to God and somehow God would say "Good on you my faithful servant" or "Well done, I am pleased with you Saul"

Its not given to man to know the thought of man's heart's, but ye shall know them by their fruit's. Mathew 7:15-20

19 Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the Lord, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the Lord?

20 And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the Lord, and have gone the way which the Lord sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.

21 But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in Gilgal.

22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
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To: W fr/Canada
Serbia
29 Mar 2020 23:11

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continue.

Saul.
Prideful, Arrogant, deceptive, evil,..............................
you fill in the blanks. Gal 5:19-21

Why was Saul rejected by God? was Saul Remorseful? Did Saul Repent? Was Saul accepted by God? Only God knew Saul's heart.
(were not going into King David's life or talk about David!
David was remorseful and suffered great consequences his whole life)
You get it,,,,REMORSEFUL, that's right one of the hardest things for people to do.

Do we not have spiritual obligations?

Romans 8:10-14 King James Version (KJV)
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Is God mocked? can you steal from God? can you call God a liar?
God forbid, but every man a liar.

Jeremiah 17:9 King James Version
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?


24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.

25 Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the Lord.

26 And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, and the Lord hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.

27 And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.

28 And Samuel said unto him, The Lord hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou.

29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.


Matthew 18 KJV
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Proverbs 1:23-33 King James Version (KJV)
23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

No body likes to be called a reprobate, but how can you spot a reprobate? EASY,,, they all say the same thing,,, we'll leave matters on judgment day, RED FLAGS ANYONE???

So what is the conclusion to this Stefan's matter? I guess every one has their own opinion, but if your opinion is supported by fact's then let's hear it.

I have a better conclusion,

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 King James Version

13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.




W fr Can
Canada
30 Mar 2020 5:03

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Very well put and good job with all those relevant references from the Bible.

Part of me actually feels sorry for those 2 souls especially the unintended consequences to their young children. All their actions that they perceived as being righteous and all the money they are now holding - where has it got them? Outcasts with money they are fearful of and likely now feel cursed by.

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Proverbs 14:12

What to do? Invite a group of independent Godly people to meet and hear the story, go away to pray and reflect, come together after some time whether days or weeks to discuss and decide what to do with ALL the money including ANY AND ALL the interest earned on it.

Perhaps to start, distribute proportionally to all the contributors or financial supporters of CS incl family and estates thereof - meaning to all those who contributed to the building and maintaining of the building and contents. This includes donation from other churches, groups and any money received from the ACC Foundation. It's their money so let them decide what to do with it. Any money left over including from contributors who utterly refuse to take it back or are anonymous needs to go to causes that will have the greatest impact on the largest number of the neediest. Example missions dealing with orphans - the most innocent and oppressed amongst us.











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Vlada Papuga
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Philip Ruzeu
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Nick Pentsa
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STAY AWAY FROM THIS MAN! His mouth is full of Biblical verses but his heart is filled with hatred, jealousy, treachery and lust for power. This FALSE CHRISTIAN is the root of almost all evil in ACCN in Australia and he will even take you to court, if he can't get his way.
Janko is pretty much like Paul, dishonest and unloving, just less intelligent. Janko is now building his humongous "warehouse" in Tarneit, destined to remain void of both faith and members. This UNREPENTED SINNER is still dreaming about becoming an elder!
Hard-hearted and egoistic, this long-time "elder" has caused immense grief, division and misery amongst the Nazarenes in Australia. Some even call him a sadist... not that Andrew really cares about anyone's opinion, though. Currently residing in a nursing home in Perth.
Earned his nickname by constantly repeating "Ljubazni" (Dear Ones) while preaching. This recently appointed "elder assistant" is ambitious, but at the same time not clever enough to realize he will always be just Paul's and Janko's messenger boy.
Philip is Paul Pentsa's son-in-law and definitely his best student. Proud, stubborn, arrogant - a classic bigot. Due to his off-putting personality and some weird beliefs, he's not on very good terms with Janko Tomek and other Slovaks in Tarneit.
Here is your future Elder, whether you like the idea or not. Nicky is "a very nice guy". No gift for preaching or leadership skills, but being Paul Pentsa's son, he's actually got everything he needs. Sooner or later his Dad will find the way to install him as his successor.
Janko Tomek's loyal admirer and bodyguard - sleazy, hypocritical, dishonest and ignorant. His interpretation of the Scriptures can make you laugh as well as his awkward sermons in broken English.


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