Spiritual and Mental Abuse in Apostolic Christian Church Nazarene in Australia
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16 Sep 2018 18:03

meaning please
16 Sep 2018 23:13
our faith is Nazarene NOT Nazarean........

people not only have not idea what they believe, they cant even spell it right, nor do they understand what they are doing or confirming......

Matthew 2:23
......that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

17 Sep 2018 11:45
A very basic website, but OK.

17 Sep 2018 14:39
Actually it is spelled Nazarean on almost every church in the US.

17 Sep 2018 15:38
it doesnt make it biblical correct if all 6 billion people misinterpret the bible...., does it?

most of the american elders dont believe sins unto death either, so its ok to change the bible teaching because american churches have failed....yeah?

please explain
17 Sep 2018 15:42
we are not in american either, this is australia....

where does the bible state that australia can follow the errors of american churches, teachings or elder misinterpretations?
hungarian elder misinterpretations?

17 Sep 2018 22:48
The Bible doesnt say are right. But Paul Pentsa does. And hes pretty much the final word in Australia.

To: malt
26 Sep 2018 4:26
To: malt
... is the website
When I first saw this post, there happened to be a live singing taking place when I clicked on the link. Without intending any disrespect to the thoughts and feelings of those that post here, the singing was very lovely (even if I didn't always understand the language being sung), and I listened for over an hour.

26 Sep 2018 12:51
True, those in Melbourne sing lovely.

Some of the best singers are not recognized as members, though.

26 Sep 2018 16:03
some of the best members standing in the Faith are not recognized at all, too.

To: Australia
27 Sep 2018 6:24
Not having ever been to an ACCN church (let alone Australia), I'm curious about the 'language' spoken. As a matter of curiosity, I've listened to two archived services from the link given above. Well, almost two -- I'm in the middle of the second. I see that it's a multi-language service. I recognize English, but don't know what the other language(s) are.

Is this common in the ACCN church? Since it's Australia (and not knowing anything else), I would have assumed that English would be the language spoken in church... just the same as if the church were in, say, Germany, I would anticipate the language spoken would be German. Are other languages spoken because some of the attendees do not speak English at all, and therefore would understand nothing unless they could hear it in their own tongue? Or do they also know English, but just prefer to hear it in their own language?

No disrespect is intended with the question. It's only a curiosity as it's something completely foreign to me. I’m so used to going to church and hearing just one language spoken, that when I hear multiple languages… it’s distracting. Maybe it’s something one would get used to over time? I don't think I've ever been to a live church service where another language was spoken. Well, I take that back. I guess I remember a few when I was a teenager, though it wasn’t really the ‘service’ itself, but rather the closing prayer. Some Russian couples visited our church. One of the local brothers happened to speak one of the Slavik languages (I think it was Serbian). We came to understand that the Russian couples only picked up a few words from what he said in prayer (since Serbian and Russian are obviously different), but they appreciated the gesture. But that's the only 'live' experience I've ever had with multiple languages in a church setting. And it was a surreal feeling (even being unconverted at the time), to be praying... and not understanding a single thing that was being prayed. He'd start in English, then switch to Serbian, and it was like switching out the light in a dark room. All I ever understood in what he said was 'Amen' when he was done. It felt really strange to me, all the while illustrating the importance of hearing the Word of God with understanding. I actually took two years of Russian in college just to try to get some understanding of what they church visitors felt like in coming to a foreign land without knowing the language.

Assuming it’s something you ‘get used to,’ how do you do that? If you’re sitting in a service like this, how do you remain alert and engaged during the service if you don’t understand a single word being spoken? Or do most people in these locations simply know multiple languages? But if you don’t, do you still look at the minister, as if you’re listening and comprehending… even if you’re not? Do you read your Bible instead of listening? Talk to your neighbor? Fall asleep? Okay, I’m kidding on the last two. ;) Just was curious how it’s typically done.

27 Sep 2018 10:44
You will be recognised as a member as long as you support the Pharisee Janko Tomek and his puppets in the front bench. By what I've heard, most of the descent members have left the cult.

27 Sep 2018 12:54
To answer your question regarding languages, yes it is common in the ACCN. The ACCN originates in Europe, and over the years, many members immigrated to the United States, Canada and Australia and established churches in those countries, keeping the language (usually Serbian although Hungarian and Romanian as well) as part of the church service. In the early days of immigration, the services were pretty much only in foreign languages, since, well, pretty much nobody at the service understood English. Over time, their children and grandchildren were born and grew up, most of children learning their parent's language (or having immigrated themselves as children) so keeping the foreign language in addition to English was no problem. These days, the old immigrants are mostly dying off, some replaced by young immigrants, but mostly the church goers are now born and grew up in the "new country." Quite a bit still understand their parents or grandparents' tongue.

Legal action
6 Oct 2018 9:11
If the Cucanic's would have taken Tomek's group to court during the sale of the Altona church, Tomek probably wouldn't have My Cottrell church today and this website.

6 Oct 2018 13:36
You wouldn't hear Tomek singing tenor on their website song service link, in jail Tomek would be singing a different tune.

9 Oct 2018 9:28
>>If the Cucanic's would have taken Tomek's group to court during the
>>sale of the Altona church, Tomek probably wouldn't have My Cottrell
>>church today and this website.

That was just one episode. There are many other reasons for this website to exist.

To: Janko Tomek
9 Oct 2018 13:48
On Sunday, October 7th, 2018 you preached about offenses and believers sealed with the Holy Spirit. Did you not offended the Cucanic’s church members when you left them homeless without a place of worship when you sold the Altona North Church? Did the Holy Spirit teach you to take what is not yours?

Did the Holy Spirit teach you, Paul Pensta, Matei Lincu, and Zivadin K. to take Laza Krnjulac to court for the Sydney Church? Did the Holy Spirit guide you to take the churches money to go on a vacation with your entire family?

What I can see from the fruits of the ministers, assistant elders and elders in the ACCN is that you are not only greedy but abuse members with false power. It would be better for you to stand down then further offend members with your hypocrisy.

9 Oct 2018 15:49
delusion means:
something a person believes and wants to be true, when it is actually not true:

God is allowing the devil to blind them with a delusion. because they have pleasure in sin.
If they hate sin (which is unrighteousness), God would not do this to them.
God does this to people that have pleasure in unrighteousness (which is sin).

2 Thess.2:
11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

When they start hating sin, things will only then change.

While they love sin, things will continue the way they are.

Spot On
10 Oct 2018 1:24
To the person who titled their post 'deceitfulness', you are exactly right. This is exactly why some of these people immediately go into denial and are defensive when confronted instead of having a good introspective and prayerful think about it. They have been blinded by the devil due to their OWN persistent unwillingness to learn about themselves and then do what is right.
I also sometimes have seen that a person that carries this strong delusion also may have one or more 'enablers' who seem to sort of validate the delusion.

10 Oct 2018 22:14
maybe this church should be called Mt.Cult-trell....

shall we hold a vote?

not sure
11 Oct 2018 11:36
sorry, you have to ask the minister first.
you cant just ask to have a vote, it needs to be verified by the front bench.

Kosher is better
16 Oct 2018 13:40
After listening to the last few sermons on the Mt. Cottrell website, it seems like there was more love and zeal to attend the old N. Altona church then there is at the new Mt. Cottrell church.

Mt. Cottrell members you had a blessing with a smaller church building. You should have left the other church members alone to continue to gather at the N. Altona church and built a smaller church for yourselves in love.

It is sad what happened to the Melbourne Altona church and Sydney church. Paul Pentsa Sr. should also have left the old Sydney church alone. It is faster to destroy then it is to build.

Paul Penstas Sr. you have left a path of destruction behind you. How is it that you felt no sympathy for the Melbourne and Sydney members? Why were you even involved with Sydney church?

16 Oct 2018 14:22
being smart....
power as an elder getting to your head...
nobody can tell you what to do.....
I am always in the right....


are the answers to "Kosher is better"

to all elders
16 Oct 2018 15:13
"MOST" elders do "NOT" understand this bible verse.

1 Peter 5:3
Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

Lord = a ruler by hereditary right or preeminence to whom service and obedience are due.

Heritage = something that comes or belongs to one by reason of birth.

anyone to guess
17 Oct 2018 22:00
can anyone guess who am I?

I sit in the front row, and the front row is the only row for me.
I act as a smart aleck..
I show that I am the best in my attitude.
I show that I am above others.
I am ready to discipline anyone in a minute....
I am loud in my singing, even during the pauses so people can hear "ME".
I think that I am better then others.
I know to create discord.
I know to interrupt when others are talking, and take over their conversation with another person.
I am rude at the table when there is a meal, by stating "I am hungry", and show that I cant wait to start eating.
I am rude in general, in every way pretty much.
I am spiritual unwell and fit for the front row,
I am spiritual unwell, and spiritually sick, back from my baptismal testimony by being dishonest about being a member of the communist party.
I was dishonest at my baptismal testimony about whether I have a red communist card proving the above comment.
I can stop people coming to church.
I can stop the correct church to grow.
I can stop the corrupt from being punished.
I can implement those who stand up for the right to be punished, to stop the right from growing
I can stop people singing in church if I want to.
In sermons I have commented that I am the only member among my siblings.
I am proud.
I am boastful.
I don't have shame.
I am ready to implement wrong, even if it means to indicate that its all fine and ok.
I have guile.
I am ready to condemn the right, and justify the wrong, even if it means that I might become an elder one day.
I like to sit close to elders, to suck up to them, so maybe one day I might be an elder.
I like to be a hog at funerals, that there is nobody else able to conduct a sermon during funerals, but me.
I like to spread my hands as wide as possible when I am conducting, so people view me as an important person.

Can anyone guess who I am????????

17 Oct 2018 22:43
A non Christian!

To: anyone to guess
18 Oct 2018 14:31
You are just as same as the one you wrote about;
"I can smell a rat"

18 Oct 2018 15:09
Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

This verse cannot change its meaning.
Did this truth come from man.

cannot change
18 Oct 2018 15:10
John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

this cannot change

clue please
18 Oct 2018 16:44
can you give us a clue?

is the person from Mt.Cottrell?

good sign
18 Oct 2018 16:57
You are just as same as the one you wrote about;
"I can smell a rat"

thats a good sign.

you are the right person to bring justice upon the wrong doers.

lets see when the person's name is revealed, whether you will do your duty to remind this member of his wrong doings.

time will show your honesty as a christian, sooner or later...

To: good sigh
18 Oct 2018 18:39
I like your wording... Yes "the time will tell"

To: anyone to guess
19 Oct 2018 0:17
Do you think it matters if you confront this person or if you mention their name?

If you do speak up or approach this person, you will be prosecuted for speaking up and accused of judging. There is no justice in the ACCN.

Just a bunch of thieves sitting on the front bench preaching about love and offenses and doing the opposite of that. The mentality of I can steal if I like but don't judge me, you have to love and forgive is going to destroy the ACCN.

Step down from the pulpit make right with those you have offended and return the money you have stolen.

19 Oct 2018 14:29
PERILOUS TIMES. The Bible tells us that in the last days, perilous times shall come. These words were written nearly 2000 years ago but they perfectly describe the times in which we are presently living in.

3 But know this, that in the last days [a]perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, [b]unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

So do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further.

The bible clearly states to turn away from such people........ why?

time approaching
19 Oct 2018 17:22
we have until sunday to put out our guesses.

21 Oct 2018 16:10
Is it Janko Tomek

21 Oct 2018 22:07
YES.........absolutely correct, 100%.

true statement
23 Oct 2018 0:21
To: anyone to guess

yes, you are right.

Janko Tomek called the elders to punish Jockov, Cobanovic and Kapitan for voicing against Janko Tomek committing the criminal act and or allowing the criminal act, for the Altona Church title fraud/stolen/false statement willfully committed and signed to regain the Church title (so they could sell and still $930,000 AUD from the Church)....."ALL" illegally....

so, your statement is correct.

members were in the past punished for committing sin, now you get punished for exposing those in sin.
then those in sin get promoted to hold prayers, be ordained as minister and assistant elders....etc

another classic unbiblical conduct was one performed by removed elder paul pentsa, when he was called in sydney to conduct work.
one member was supposed to be put under the rod, and pentsa promoted him to hold prayers during the service instead.

Greedy people!
23 Oct 2018 2:06
Even more evidence of corruption throughout the entire ACCN organization.

For those of you who took part in the sale of the Alton church, you should be ashamed of yourselves. You also asked for donations from the American and Canadian churches even though you had close to a million dollars from the sale of the church. With less than 100 members, why did you need such a big church? Greedy people!

23 Oct 2018 11:15
The amount of hate these people portray is beyond belief. Tarneit church is a very cold and unloving place to be. Worst people I've ever come across. You have the odd person or two who are real but the vast majority are incredibly cold and reckless with their spiritual life.

True facts
23 Oct 2018 12:41
I totally agree with the cold and dark side of Tarneit. I have experienced it myself when I once visited. The comment above at 2:06 from USA, your perceptions are so correct. The members that turn up now are declining...a building too big for a such a small and shrinking church....sad!!

Greedy people!
24 Oct 2018 0:22
Faith is not about a building. A place that is faith-based and that your comfortable praying to God and serving him in is not about a church building.

You can serve God on the streets, in your car and home. You don't have to go to a church building to be saved. Many criminals hide in churches. That's a known fact.

It is nice to feel part of a community but if that community discriminates and targets people why to go to a building to feel uncomfortable?

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