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ACCN Forum | P.P. vs Keyboard Scribes

Mr Mars Den
Australia
29 Oct 2018 19:51

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The character assassination of Paul Pentsa by the majority keyboard Warriors/Stone Casters is quite astounding.
For an Elder who built the Brisbane church from just a single family, in home service , to a large and modern building of young and thriving congregation with over sixty baptized members.
This Marsden edifice Paul designed, supervised as well as physically laboured from start to finish.
As the building funds ran out, P.P. chipped in the rest from his own money, the money that was to be equally repaid by the church members. Yet to this day, not every individual has settled his share (incl. myself). Paul never asked.
For a family man of 8 grown up kids, of which seven baptisied (the last one pending) must be a testimony to the wholesome Christian living.
Paul Pentsa is not perfect however, he projects a rather poor public image by acting aloof, dismissive even bordering on arrogance making him a magnet to accusers, defeatists and executioners too eager to cast the first stone.
Our Lord Jesus Christ was without a blemish, yet he was crucified, our estranged Elder can just repeat over and over: LUKE 24; 43, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
P.S. Anybody considering to have contributed more to ACCN advancement, please let’s hear it.


Mr Mars Den
USA
29 Oct 2018 21:53

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To: Mr Mars Den
Most credit should be given to Geourko Petrak for the finance of Marsden church and credit to all contributing members who larboured as well, as for Paul Pentsa he did lend money to the church members and the church members paid interest for his loan.
Never compare Paul Pentsa to Jesus Christ and Lord's suffering
the Bible says not to suffer as an evildoer.

Ezekiel 18:24
But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquit, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Scribe
USA
29 Oct 2018 23:44

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First of all the first Brisbane church was built in Park Ridge on Brother Geourko Petrak's backyard with the Stefanides and the Petrak family. They then bought a smaller church in Cooper Place before the Marsden church was built.

Secondly, the money that Paul Pentsa gave to the church was paid back to him with interest.

Luke 18:10-14

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

To: Mr Mars Den
USA
30 Oct 2018 3:05

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Are you giving Paul Pensta Sr. credit for building the entire Marsden church?

You said that he designed, supervised as well as physically labored from start to finish.

Were the other church members not involved in the church design?

Was he working on the church alone? Or did other members help?

You acknowledge that the funds ran out and that Paul Pentsa chipped in and that the members were to repay him. Is the debt not settled? Do they still owe him money?

You said he baptized over 60 members. Should God not be given glory and credit for the children that choose to serve him?

Questions!
USA
30 Oct 2018 3:54

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To the last author in this thread, if you have so many questions and disrespect for our Faith and our Church Leaders why are you still a member here?? Are you building the Church or tearing it down?

Answer
USA
30 Oct 2018 4:12

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How are my questions disrespecting our Faith and Chruch Leaders?

When reading 'P.P. vs Keyboard Scribes' thread I immediately felt sick.

The author seems to give Paul Pensta glory for Gods work in bring children to Christ and is also giving him glory for other members who labored and contributed to a church building. It wasn't just Paul Pentsa!

Paul Pentsa is not God. The writer should reexamine the credit given to a man.

To: questions
USA
30 Oct 2018 4:38

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You should know about destroying churches.

Answer
USA
30 Oct 2018 4:50

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Destroying churches? ME?

Why was this website created again?

The ACCN elders have shown no remorse to the members that have been impacted by the leadership.

If they just followed the Bible, this website would not exist.

usa
USA
30 Oct 2018 5:38

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petras grup tearing it down in columbbia station

Mr Mars Den
Australia
30 Oct 2018 5:49

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To Scribe and the rest of 'Sanhedrin' Whence such vitriol?
Please reread my post.
I never stated that he built the church on his own.
Made no comparison to Jesus Christ, Paul certainly is NOT humble.
He did NOT charge interest on money lent for building of the church.
By residing 20 000+ km away, you seem to know a lot about Brisbane church, shouldn't I be better informed?
P.S. I wasn't soliciting your opinion, but rather asking for what more anybody contributed to the good of the church.

To: usa
USA
30 Oct 2018 5:51

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Sorry, but you are completely ignorant and belligerent.

Mr Mars Den
USA
30 Oct 2018 5:57

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It is too late to ask brother Geourko Petrak regarding the building of Marsden church. When he was alive, he confided to other brothers that Paul Pentsa charged interest.

Mr Mars Den
Australia
30 Oct 2018 6:21

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To my American namesake: No way did he charge interest on that money.
There was a lasting animosity between the two ministers as neither was gifted with humbleness nor willingness to wash each other's feet.

PLEASE EXPLAIN
Australia
30 Oct 2018 10:06

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re. You said he baptized over 60 members.....

(MOST WERE BAPTISED BY NOT EVEN BEING READY FOR BAPTISM)

PENTSA WAS JUST WORKING ON GETTING NUMBERS IN, RATHER THE NUMBERS TO "CHRIST".........

TIME HAS SHOWN AGAIN AND AGAIN........WHY?

SO MANY HUNGARIANS LEFT.........WHY?

WHY ARE PEOPLE LOOKING ELSEWHERE..............WHY?



Face the Truth
Australia
30 Oct 2018 10:12

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All those baptized by Paul Pentsa need to be re-baptized. They haven't
received the Holy Spirit. They won't be saved.

To: Mr Mars Den
USA
30 Oct 2018 10:21

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I stand corrected, you said, "For an Elder who built the Brisbane church from just a single family, in home service , to a large and modern building of young and thriving congregation with over sixty baptized members."

You did not state he baptized 60 members. My apologies.

However, with your statement, I still believe you are giving Paul Pentsa credit for God's work. I don't think Pentsa has anything to do with why one would go to church. Also 'in home service,' was that in Pentsa's home?

If you read your comment I hope you will see how you are one-sided in that you are giving this so-called, 'arrogant man who is a magnate to accusers' so much credit for God's work.

Face the Truth
Australia
30 Oct 2018 10:31

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And yes, he baptized 60 or so people, but not because these people liked Paul Pentsa.It's because Paule Pentsa did not let anyone else perform the baptisms, it was only him, he MONOPOLIZED everything, not allowing any competition.
But that's man, not God. Paul Pentsa has no Holy Spirit and cannot give Holy Spirit to others. Those baptized by Paul Pentsa are in grave danger.This needs to be told.

Mr Mars Den
Australia
30 Oct 2018 10:32

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Huh!
I was personally baptised by Paul Pentsa, why do u think ur better than me???
Please enumerate the better and greater deeds u performed than those originally mentioned.
Or r u just another 'Cyber High Priest'?

Face the Truth
Australia
30 Oct 2018 10:41

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If those baptized by Paul Pentsa are asking "why?" they are spiritually blind. Otherwise they would not be asking. Those with Holy Spirit do not ask "why?" , they simply see it.Those baptized by Paul Pentsa won't enter the Kingdom. Maybe that's God's plan, maybe it should be that way, who knows.

To: Mr Mars Den
USA
30 Oct 2018 10:43

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Why would I think I am better than you? I don't even know you. And you are probably better than me.

This comment thread where you have listed the great things that PP has done is quite offensive in that man should not be given glory for the Lord's work in members serving him.

Mr Mars Den
Australia
30 Oct 2018 11:02

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To Mr Mars Den: I was only stating the positive deeds that PP did for our church, giving credit where due. If that wasn't God's work then dunno what is.

TO: Face the Truth
USA
30 Oct 2018 11:09

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your comment about "cannot give Holy Spirit to others." that is simply false doctrine!!

Elder do not give the Holy Spirit to us, through the prayer of consecration the Holy Spirit is sealed in us by the laying on of hands.

Face the Truth
Australia
30 Oct 2018 11:12

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"Mr Mars Den" : Are you Paul Pentsa's relative?

To: Mr Mars Den
Australia
30 Oct 2018 11:16

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Hallo Mr Mars Den!
Would it be that u r Mr Ruzeu (RABBI) by any chance?
U have mentioned some Jewish words...SCRIBES and SANHEDRIN.


Face the Truth
Australia
30 Oct 2018 11:19

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"Elder do not give the Holy Spirit to us"

Then why do we need elders? Anyone can baptize.

WOW!
USA
30 Oct 2018 11:26

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The Holy Spirit is NOT given to you by the Elders! It's though FAITH. It's from God.

Face the Truth
Australia
30 Oct 2018 11:34

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Really? Then why do they lay on their hands?
I would like to know if that's the official position of our elder body, that:
1.It doesn't matter if an elder has the Holy Spirit
2.It doesn't matter if an elder is a scumbag, it's all from God, not through that elder
3.Laying on of hands doesn't matter
4.Anyone can baptize

Mr Mars Den
Australia
30 Oct 2018 11:58

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N.B. Am in no shape or form related to Pentsas nor any other families for that matter.

And no, have no connection with Ruzeus and am not Jewish. Scribes and Sunhedrin were key players in adjudicating Jesus to the Cross in Luke Chapter 23. Thass all.

Face the Truth
Australia
30 Oct 2018 12:01

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And how long do you know PP?

to Mr Mars Den
USA
30 Oct 2018 12:07

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It looks like you claim Paul Pentsa as your spiritual father just as some claim Dave Nikolson as there father. Well, they do have a lot in common. Lying, causing discord among church members. stealing churches, etc.

To the rest of us we put our faith and trust in our Heavenly Father.

Mr Mars Den
Australia
30 Oct 2018 12:21

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To Face the Truth: A LONG time, during which time I got to know his good as well as not so good side, suffice to say.

Face the Truth
Australia
30 Oct 2018 12:32

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"For an Elder who built the Brisbane church from just a single family, in home service , to a large and modern building of young and thriving congregation with over sixty baptized members."

And this is truth, according to you? There was no one in Brisbane prior to PP's moving to Australia from Canada?

Money laundering
Australia
30 Oct 2018 12:43

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The money PP lent to the church was so he could launder money. Speak to Ruzeu he's doing it too, with the pretence of his Naturopathy business that he doesn't operate, but according to the ATO he does.this family know no boundaries to their lying deceitful ways

Mr Mars Den
Australia
30 Oct 2018 13:21

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To F.T.T, Yes only a single family with beside mum and only the eldest daughter in Christ.
And no, u still came with no mention of YOUR 'Holier than Thou' virtues of God's work, is there any?
Or do u consider God's work by being judgmental, isn't that only reserved to the Supreme Father in Heaven to mete the judgment?
Why are u overstepping ur calling on this Earth?
Your next post: YOUR good deeds, nuff of ur claptrap, 'nuff said!

chapter verse please
Australia
30 Oct 2018 13:51

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if an elder has a role, that other members do not have, that doesnt make him a god, or a member above any other member.
so
why is this so hard to understand?

where does it state (chapter and verse please) that anyone needs to "unconditionally" obey an elder?

please state chapter and verse.....



1 Cor.12:14 states:
For the body does not consist of one member but of many.

all members are part of the body, not only elders.
elders are members of the body, not the head of the body.
Christ is the head of the body, not elders.

Colossians 1:18 states:
And he is the head of the body, the church;.......


Face the Truth
Australia
30 Oct 2018 14:31

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"Mr Mars Den" : "And no, u still came with no mention of YOUR 'Holier
than Thou' virtues of God's work, is there any?"

Yes. Easy. No one left the Nazarene church because of me.

Now please be honest and tell us, how many people left the Nazarene church because of Paul Pentsa and Janko Tomek ?

Start with those Hungarians. No need to mention anyone's name, just tell us, according to your count, how many paople have left? Five? Ten?Fifty? Give us some number.

You said Paul Pentsa baptized 60 people.Many of them were immigrants from Europe. Do you think they've come to Australia because of the living standard and civil rights in Australia, or because they heard nice things about PP and JT and wanted to be under their spiritual leadership?

You are dishonest, "Mr Mars Den", and your words are full of lies! I won't be wasting more of my time with you. Why don't you answer my questions?Because you are the same twisted liar like Paul Pentsa. You won't get anywhere with your lies, remember. Just keep fooling yourself.

I will simply repeat what I said before, those baptized by Paul Pentsa need to be baptized again, to save their souls. They don't have to,if they don't want to, but I've done my duty by telling them. The rest is
politics, I don't care about that.

Enough from me . May the Lord grant you His mercy.

Mr Mars Den
Australia
30 Oct 2018 14:46

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Enough from you only coz u can't come with a single good deed for ur congregation, if u even have one.
Who would put up with self righteous deluded individual like u?
I really pity u pal, may God be merciful to you at the last call.
GOOOOD Byeee!

Mars
Australia
1 Nov 2018 18:25

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Bye?

Mr Mars Den
Australia
6 Nov 2018 17:10

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After a whole week of eagerly anticipating a reply from any of the 'Cyber Magistrates' exhibiting any of their own more grandiose contributions to the ACCN than the above accused.
My patience however, has not been rewarded with even a minutest accomplishment.
Perhaps I should speculate that the entire Keyboard Army is rather shy and humble.
Kudos to Self Restraint.

To: Mr. Mars Den
USA
7 Nov 2018 0:14

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Why were you waiting for a reply?

Do you want this to continue? It seems like you want people to keep responding.

I also cannot help but wonder since you have given Paul Pentsa Sr. credit for other people and God's work what your personal experiences have been with Paul Pentsa Sr.


Mr Marsden is
Australia
7 Nov 2018 0:40

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Ondrei Sulja

To: Mr. Mars Den
USA
7 Nov 2018 0:50

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If that is true I would like to see the humanity in Paul Pentsa Sr. in dealing with other people.

How has Paul Pentsa Sr. treated this writer? Has he given you a home to live in and provide you with work? Where is the humanity in Paul Pentsa Sr.?

Reputable Business?
USA
7 Nov 2018 2:17

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How is it that Paul Pentsa Sr. is prospering (new home, car and traveling all over the world) while his family's business in Australia has caused so many to lose their life savings?

Reputable businesses don't just close over a weekend without notice to clients. After the business closed the family immediately escaped to the USA. As a consumer how was that fair to the people that trusted them with their money?

To: Mars Den
USA
7 Nov 2018 2:18

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What's your definition of good deeds and bad deeds?

Mr Mars Den
Australia
7 Nov 2018 5:34

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I am NOT Ondrej Sulja.
To Mr Mars Den USA, all of the above and a lot more, i.e. lending me and a few other ppl money at NO interest and NEVER came asking for repayment.
Just from my personal experience, Paul Pentsa Sr is the only person to have truly helped me in my hour of need but none other of you knockers.
For someone completely unrelated, I felt the need to present the other side of this Elder that I know of.

To: Mr Mars Den
USA
7 Nov 2018 5:40

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I do appreciate you sharing and am thrilled you had a good experience with Paul Pentsa Sr. I think you should have lead with that rather than speaking on behalf of an entire church.

Unfortunately, the other 'knockers' as you called them have not had positive experiences with him.

Again thank you for sharing!

Hungarians
USA
7 Nov 2018 6:04

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"How many Hungarians left"
I am Hungarian and PP loved our people. He helped many of the immigrants settle and find jobs.

The Hungarians left for other reasons but not PP

Jo Napot!

To :Hungarians
USA
7 Nov 2018 6:22

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Did you visit Australia and were some of the Hungarian's related to you?

I don't believe your statement is accurate and unless you were in Australia at the time or if you had direct contact with those members -

I also don't think one Hungarian person can attest to a group of Hungarians.

User
USA
7 Nov 2018 6:53

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P.P used the Hungarians just to get eldership votes.

amazed at such hate
USA
7 Nov 2018 8:34

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I am deeply saddened to read things on this site, at least here in America, a person is considered innocent until proven guilty, as we have recently seen in the media, when they selected the Justice! But on this site, those who try to support the truth or integrity of the ones accused, are targeted and they who hate do not want to hear the truth! Is this site actually doing the same as the Moderator complains about abuse of the leadership in ACCN churches, causing mental and spiritual abuse to those whom they target, be it Elders or Elder Body, or supporters of the truth.
How does this site or some comments made here follow what the Lord taught, Do unto others as you would have others do unto you, not as they have done unto you, two wrongs do not make one right.
When people write false and slanderous things about Elders or any individuals for that matter, the Moderator should not allow it in print unless it is a proven fact, and even then, when things are brought to light or to be dealt with, it should be done in LOVE to gain the erring one, as per Matthew 18 and other scriptures.
Do these comments portray the Love, or Charity recorded in 1st Corinthians 13?
Love thinketh no evil,...rejoices not in iniquity! And many other wonderful qualities, yet here it seems that people do the opposite.
And I know some of you would jump up and down saying, "But You Do Not Know These Leaders"
Could it be that some of you are not even a part of the church? Or have been perhaps corrected or disciplined by those in leadership? And now you want to grind your axes, but without putting your name to those false statements! Your claim is so those in leadership will not know who you are for fear of retribution!
Apostle Paul dealt with sins in churches he served, and yes they slandered him, called him all kinds of names, yet he still loved them, why not do the same?
The Hebrew writer says that no chastening is at this time pleasant, but afterwards it brings forth the desired result of repentance!
James writes" Speak not evil one of another" Are we keeping these words in our hearth? Is this site bringing Glory to God, or those it bring a slur and shame on his children and his Holy Name? You Be The Judge of these?
Let us be swift hear, slow to speak (or write in this case) and slow to anger, for the anger of man does not do the right of God!

No justice!
USA
7 Nov 2018 9:32

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Until you have experienced Paul Pentsa Sr. you cannot judge! Paul Pensta uses people to get what he wants. He also makes fun of seeking souls confessions and approaches their family members to tell them about it!
You can quote the Bible all you want but until you have experience Paul Pentsa Sr. don't judge those who have gone through the abuse!

To amazed at such...
USA
7 Nov 2018 9:38

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It is easy for you to sit there and quote the Bible but until you have experienced being falsely accused, used and abuse you can speak.

Have you ever experienced anything like that in church?

If you have not then why are you judging people who have been traumatized by these leaders?

Put on their shoes and feel their pain and suffering and then say something. Jesus did not say it was okay to abuse innocent people.

Dedicated
USA
7 Nov 2018 10:08

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Apostal Paul opened quiet a few churches,
he did not close or destroy churches or members.

@amazed at such hate
USA
7 Nov 2018 10:09

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I've also pondered some of the same questions you've raised, and feel similar sadness even while knowing nothing of the situation (other than what is shared here). The one thing that keeps me from leaving a post such as yours is Proverbs 26:17... though I don't know if that is the right response or not. If anything, whether through observation of this site or my own life, it's evident the human race is broken, and has been broken since just after the beginning... and how much we need Jesus Christ!

To: @amazed
USA
7 Nov 2018 10:19

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Please don't get confused with human weaknesses or broken there is a difference.

Proverbs 26:17
USA
7 Nov 2018 10:53

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Proverbs 26:17 is a good verse and is appropriate - If you don't know what the history is then best not to judge people who are hurting here. Some of the comments are hard to read.

I used to think this website was the worst thing and was against it and wanted it down. But my opinion has since changed. There is a lot of coverup from the top and unjust accusations placed on innocent people.

You cannot dig a hole for people to fall in and punish them for not taking ownership over what someone else has done. Do you teach your kids to take ownership over someone else's actions? If you do, this is mentally wrong and abusive.

People need to be informed about what is happening here. You cannot hurt people and say I am saved by grace. There needs to be apologies and repentance, and it should start from the top.

I also don't think anyone hates Paul Pentsa Sr. or maybe I'm naive, I see this website as cry out for help against the abuse that has been happening across the churches.

elders innocence
Australia
7 Nov 2018 11:13

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the wordley government base their belief on:

"a person is considered innocent until proven guilty"

this is not Biblical teaching.

the bible teaches everyone will give an account of their actions.
this does not mean they are innocent.
this means they ARE guilty.

hiding the sin, and not confessing your sin does not make you innocent.

elders' cover ups does not make things as innocent but as guilty in EVERY way and in EVERY case.

the hungarians left because pentsa baptised them as unrepentant and no foundation of jesus christ in their lives, just to get numbers behind his so called marsden church....to have people follow him not christ.
thats why they left.

removed elder pentsa
Australia
7 Nov 2018 11:33

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to: amazed at so much hate

re.
When people write false and slanderous things about Elders or any individuals for that matter, the Moderator should not allow it in print unless it is a proven fact, and even then, when things are brought to light or to be dealt with, it should be done in LOVE to gain the erring one, as per Matthew 18 and other scriptures.

its clear that you do not know the history of the removed elder paul pentsa.

he has been admonished, reprimanded, and he did not accept nor apologise in anyway for anything he committed nor for his sin, in anyway whatsoever, not even the slightest.

thats why he has been removed from eldership.

his wording before a baptism "please forgive me if I have offended anyone" is a lot of baloney.

he has not made any reconciliation for his sins, unfairness, unrighteousness, his spiritual work in justifying the wicked and his spiritual work in condemning the right.

he has committed sin and abomination in the sight of God, and everyone needs to know it now so they are well aware of this man, and the same goes towards ANY elder.....

Hebrews 10:26
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

1 Timothy 5:20
But those who persist in sin should be rebuked in front of everyone, so that the others will stand in fear of sin.

Proverbs 26:26
Though his hatred is concealed by deception, his wickedness will be exposed in the assembly.

he uses deceit and cunningness in his actions at the workplace and at church, and at elder meetings, and his secret discussions with other elders (thinking other elders did not record him)

deceit means:
to mislead by a false appearance or statement;`

cunning means:
characterized by wiliness and trickery, prettily appealing and displaying keen insight.

amazed at such hate
USA
7 Nov 2018 11:36

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To Justice
It seems strange that you write about a Man who is Elder overseas, and yet you live in the USA, What personal hardship could you have had from this Elder when you are living here, and your comments about seeking souls seems out of your field, are you talking from personal experience or just hearsay, unfounded gossip!
What or how has he hurt you so much that you are traumatized and scarred for life that you can not tell him to his face??

No justice!
USA
7 Nov 2018 11:57

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The great thing about telling the truth is having no need to justify. This is not gossip or slander! This is FACT! This is personal experience.

comment
Australia
7 Nov 2018 12:01

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To:amazed at such hate.
What Justice has wrote is correct:but i don't agree that is comming from the person who has not been abuse by PP Elder; It's consider as a slenderer.

slander
Australia
7 Nov 2018 12:20

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slander means:
a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report.

this is not referring to a true statement and whats fact.

Elders
USA
7 Nov 2018 23:32

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Those of you slandering PP now are the same folks that slandered Andy Kozy and others in years past...anyone see a trend. Perhaps a lack of submission to Godly authority would sum it up!

and yes I have worked personally with both of these dear Brothers.

father on earth
USA
8 Nov 2018 0:24

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Are you talking about the same Kozy who said that God is the father in heaven and he is the father on earth?

Kozy was one of those who made a mess in Australia. He also supported the Pensta family when they split from Trajan Florica's church in Canada.

I ask you this do you think that if you as an elder and other elders cover up Paul Pensta Sr. and David Nikolson that they are not held accountable before the living God and the government?

If so you deceived yourselves and the elders who believe that because God left his judgment till the end where there will be gnashing of teeth.

amazed at such hate
USA
8 Nov 2018 4:28

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1. To the person who wrote, "he used deceit and cunningness..........(thinking other elders did not record him) "
Are you not doing the same, being deceitful, using a title of an Elder to disguise your true self, and it that possible that Elders secretly "recorded" each other? Do you agree with that? You boast about him being recorded, Here we had watergate, where our president Nixon was impeached for such actions.
what was so crucial in that recording, it would not be allowed in a court if the other person was not informed first that the conversation is being recorded, But God records and knows our thoughts afar off. Which brings me to another thought, was David who was called a man after the heart of God, deceitful, when he pretended to be not normal, by spiting on his beard when he went over to the enemies side when he fled from King Saul? Was Nathan the prophet deceitful when he went to King David with the story of the poor man who only had a ewe lamb? Was Jesus deceitful on the way to Emmaus, when he made it sound that he was going further? It is easy to call people names not knowing their heart or intent.

2. To the person who wrote" Elder Innocence"

You seem to have a strange way of understanding the word Judgement, you seem to think that one going to Judgement is already "Guilty"
When Peter wrote, that Judgement will start at the house of God, and if it first start with us.....do you think he was Guilty also???? So be careful what you write, there is one lawgiver and one Judge, who are you who Judges another man"s servant?

judgement?
USA
8 Nov 2018 5:05

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I think you misunderstood what the writer meant! On this earth, you can judge and condemn innocent people - heck in the prison system you have innocent people convicted of crimes they never committed.

What I think the writer meant is even if an elder judges unjustly it doesn't matter because on judgment day you will be held accountable for the right and wrong that you have committed on this earth.

From what I can see with this faith is that people who harm others are rewarded and protected not only by the church and by also by the state because of the laws in place which separate church and state.

Therefore even if you are innocent if you are not a part of the elder group and you speak against the injustice you become a target and no matter what recording or evidence you have to protect yourself and reputation against false accusations there is no winning.

Does that make sense?

And if you were wrongfully accused what would you do? I don't wish you harm but with what judgment ye meet ye shall be judged.

Mr Mars Den
Australia
8 Nov 2018 6:31

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The Hate Brigade 'marches' on.
I find it very disheartening.

True
USA
8 Nov 2018 15:18

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I can say that it is true that Kozy said he is our father. Also....believers in Australia spit on him when he went there to do work.

let us know
Australia
8 Nov 2018 16:51

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to: amazed at such hate

you are the right person to stand up for the right.
we need people like you.

when injustice is done at church the next time, you are the right person that will stand up for the right...yeah?

ofcourse....yes, thats right.

you can do it, and time will tell if you do.

and

let us know the next time you do it.

God not mocked
Australia
8 Nov 2018 17:16

1546 views
Galatians 6:
7. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.


Psalm 37:
14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.

15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.

Mr Mars Den
Australia
8 Nov 2018 18:42

1535 views
To: True
Kozy? Never heard of him until mentioned on several occasions in above posts. Who is he? Plz explain since am not into ACCN politics. Thnx.

To: Mr Mars Den
USA
9 Nov 2018 0:17

1503 views
I'm not trying to offend, but it seems like your posts are trying to instigate a confrontation and have a one-sided agenda.

Which makes me wonder if you hadn't received monetary value from PP would you have started this thread? - Gifts and money tend to blind people from seeing things they would typically be able to without receiving those gratuities.

I also wonder if you have any friends in Australia that you could contact for gossip?

amazed at such hate
USA
9 Nov 2018 1:44

1493 views
To Let Us Know!
It was kind of you to suggest/comment that you need people like myself to stand up for the right, even if you wrote it sarcastic;y, I have tried doing it here, but it seems that unless one dances to your tune, they are mocked/slandered and all accused of being corrupt.
Just read some of the above statements, are they out of Love????
My last comment to Mr Mars Den is, Do not be disheartened there is one who sees and hears all we say and do, it is he who will wipe away all tears from our eyes, but let us not do unto others as they do to us, let us pray for them, for eternity without God is a very long time and the place and company there is not desireable, and Yes, to your question, who was Kozy, He was an Elder Brother who worked in the churches in Australia prior to the ordination of Australian brothers from Adaliade, His last visit was not very pleasant, as some comments were made in above comments, yet this Elder was beloved by many, except those whom he needed to correct. But looks like things have not changed. So Mr Mars Den, cheer up, the Lord is at the DOOR, the evidence is around us that we are living in the last times, The Love OF Many Shall Wax Cold, The Gospel is preached unto all nations as a testimony to them, and so many other things are happening!
Farewell from me!! I shall not waste my time here!

stand up my people
Australia
9 Nov 2018 10:31

1452 views
re.
yet this Elder was beloved by many, except those whom he needed to correct.

what a lot of baloney.

he punished those that were against his LORDSHIP not against his SERVANT-SHIP.

1 Pet.5:3
Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

Kozy was a lord over the church in melbourne, thats why people stood against what he did.

there is no other way to explain it.

and EVERYONE should have stood against what he did!!!!!!!!

KOZY!
USA
9 Nov 2018 12:22

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Before Kozy started the corrupt work in Australia, he received a lot of presents from the members who he was supporting. Other brothers who wanted to talk to him waited for him till 11 p.m. at his apartment building where he was living. When he got out of his vehicle, he came out with multiple gifts and refused to speak to the brothers.

As Kozy proceeded to do the work in Melbourne church, he pulled out a list from his pocket with 22 member names and began reading the names and their punishment. When he was reading their names, he said brother Kata Tomak is punished - this showed signs of mental deterioration.

When he returned from Australia, he began to stutter. A brother met him and his wife Zuska in the grocery store shortly after his return and asked him how it was in Australia. He began to mumble, 'no good, no good.'

God is not to be mocked by the elders.

attention
Australia
9 Nov 2018 12:47

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I have advice for Mr.Mars Den... you said;since you not into accn politics and obviously u never been,don't get into it now.

It won't bring u any benefit.

Kozy violated
Australia
9 Nov 2018 14:32

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Kozy violated Church rules, Church principles, Church doctrine, Church order in Melbourne.

Kozy needed to be shunned, not obeyed, followed or even listened to.

The other problem was that Steve Nenadov continued and accepted the un biblical work done by Kozy, and then followed on by Paul Pentsa.

Thank God Boris Vujicic and Arnold Baumann didnt.

Mr Mars Den
Australia
11 Nov 2018 8:27

1272 views
Never seen more discontent and murmuring since Moses led Israelites out of Egypt.
Poor sports indeed
Such display of obstinate rebelliousness and disrespect for the referee's decision would quickly earn you a red card
or the sack from your workplace.

Gifts
USA
11 Nov 2018 8:55

1261 views
Anything you say has no validity because you've received money from Paul Pentsa.

Mr Mars Den
Australia
11 Nov 2018 9:43

1246 views
Pfft... another twisted bitter.

reverse the sin
Australia
11 Nov 2018 10:11

1236 views
when fact hurts, there is only one solution available.

repent, and reverse the sin committed, sin supported, or loving the sin what others committed.

this will reverse the pain.

until then, things will continue to get worse, not better.


meaningless
Australia
11 Nov 2018 23:45

1166 views
re.
When he was reading their names, he said brother Kata Tomak is punished - this showed signs of mental deterioration.

He knew EXACTLY what he was doing...

re.
When he returned from Australia, he began to stutter. A brother met him and his wife Zuska in the grocery store shortly after his return and asked him how it was in Australia. He began to mumble, 'no good, no good.'

well, if he was able to say "no good", thats a sign that he KNEW he sinned, as it all went downhill from HIS work.

so, knowing FULL well, why didnt he repent from that and make correction and reconciliation?

stating that it was "no good" and not making correction did not resolve his sinful actions.

thats why God made his end the way it ended........

and its quite possible paul pentsa will end the same way, if he doesnt make correction and reconciliation.


To: Mr. Mars Den
USA
12 Nov 2018 2:29

1154 views
I think you believe that by starting this thread you were going to erase all the wrongs that PP had done to people that he had offended. It's quite naive. It also feels like you are mocking those who were hurt by him and it almost sounds like you are blaming them for not being obedient to the abuse.

Since you bring up Moses, did he enter the promise land? Why? Because Moses didn't give God glory, yet you have given PP glory in your original thread for God's work.

Do you understand what Matthew 5:24 means?

Watchman
USA
12 Nov 2018 3:05

1148 views
If you people believe in the health and wealth preaching, then I pity
you,Moses was called the meekest man on earth, yet they provoked him at the time he was to "talk to the Rock" but instead he smote the rock,He did not enter the promised land, but he saw it afar off, and God Himself Buried Moses. Yet Moses entered to be with God, He appeared on the mountain with Jesus and Elija, Be careful that none of you fail to enter into God's rest because of your hardened heart of unbelief! What sin did Job did that he suffered so much loss and pain?? Satan was allowed to try him, yet God was sure of Job's faithfulness and uprightness! Would God be so sure of your/our faithfulness as he ponders what we say/ write/ and do?? What happens to us in this life will not happen without the Lord's permissive WILL, but will we stand with him in WHITE at the End???

To: Watchman
USA
12 Nov 2018 4:00

1141 views
It's a lovely rant. I'm not sarcastic, and I do not disagree with you - Moses entering into Heaven and is with God. Also yes, Job did suffer much and was blessed for his faithfulness.
When you, however, say, 'you people believe in the health and wealth preaching, then I pity you.' Can you please help me understand who you are referring to when you say, 'you people' and I also I don't understand what you mean by 'health and wealth of preaching.'

Watchman
USA
12 Nov 2018 7:05

1120 views
If you read the above writing of "meaningless" where it says "thats why God made his end the way he did" The reference is to the Elder Kozy, whom they claim God dealt in a certain way, yes he became sick after his return trip from Australia, but his sickness was caused by the many years working in the rubber industries! To insinuate that if you are Good, God will Bless you with riches etc., and if you have sin in your life, then God will give you this sickness! Yet we know that God gives his rain on the good and the bad! They thought that the man that was born blind, either he sinned or his parents that the man was born blind! I hope that is not your understanding that when something goes wrong or we have a "thorn in the flesh" like Paul had, we do not say, see God has punished me or so and so because they must have sin.

Ephesians 6:8
USA
12 Nov 2018 8:11

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Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.

To: Mr Mars Den
USA
12 Nov 2018 15:18

1051 views
re: Pfft... another twisted bitter.
Feel the same about you.

Cult Followers
Australia
12 Nov 2018 15:27

1047 views
You have elevated P.P. as any cult follower would. You've give P.P. too much credit and God NONE.
P.P. has punished people for sins that he felt needed to be punished and has forgiven sins that he has had compassion on. BUT yet has taken no responsibility for lives that HE has destroyed or HIS sins.
There will be a time where P.P. and his followers will give account.

Cult Followers
Australia
12 Nov 2018 15:54

1037 views
P.P. has been given too much power, just like Tomek and the other cult leaders in the ACCN. The followers are at fault, because they respect and elevate the leaders like gods and discredited the ONLY God who is above by giving the leaders all the credit and fearing them.
P.P. is an abuser. He uses knowledge and information against converts and vulnerable members to gain advantage and manipulate their vulnerable and intense situation/s. Life is hard in general, this man made it hell for people.
Be careful who you give credit to, also to the victims who you tear down. You too may one day be the victim of someone's power play and abuse.

violation
Australia
12 Nov 2018 16:40

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Pentsa and Tomek have violated Church rules, Church principles, Church doctrine, Church order in Australia.

They need to be shunned, not obeyed, followed or even listened to.

The funny thing is, MOST people still do not see this......

To Cult Followers
USA
13 Nov 2018 5:07

966 views
I am deeply sorry for your hurt caused by any ACCN leader, It is hard to believe that anyone could make your life "Hell". It is your violation to God's word that will make you spend eternity in the Lake of Fire. Apostle Paul, Handed over to Satan the Fornicator of the Corinth Church, Did He Make this person's life "Hell"? or was it to bring him unto repentance so his soul may be saved in the day of the Lord? You be the Judge!!!

To: above
USA
13 Nov 2018 5:55

958 views
Have you led a very privileged and sheltered life?
If so you should count it as a blessing if you believe that some people do not live through hell on this earth.
What about children who are abused, people who are starving all over the world, people who are raped (men and women) or innocent people who have been the victims of war.
Maybe you have the faith and strength to overcome abusive people, but not everyone can handle that abuse and everyone interprets and handles struggles differently. I can only hope that God can heal anyone that has gone through struggles in the ACCN church.

To Cult Followers
USA
13 Nov 2018 16:30

908 views
Of course there are many people who are abused as per statement made by the writer "To Above" But this tread is talking about the hurt felt by people who have claimed what the ACCN Leadership put them through! It would not be thinkable that what the abuses mentioned in above statement is in any way referring abuses by leadership in ACCN.
And the word hell is a very strong word to use, the hurt in this life has an end, Hell Fire or The Lake Of fire is forever!
I do know that life is hard in general, but, we should not think that the Church Leaders are purposely making peoples lives like they are living in "hell".

Moderator
Australia
13 Nov 2018 16:34

906 views
Hey 'To Cult Followers', since you are in Monument Colorado, and you attend the same church with PP, can you tell us some news from there?

Faith
USA
13 Nov 2018 23:14

872 views
To cult followers, why are you comparing PP to apostal Paul, apotal Paul punished churches like Lapuente, Norton, Brunswick etc, churches which have gone far from God'steaching and are like the world, remember we are talking about elders abusing members that speak against their corruption.

To Cult Followers
USA
14 Nov 2018 9:28

821 views
To The person who uses the word "Faith"
You wrote "apotal Paul punished churches like Lapuente, Norton, Brunswick etc,"
1. When did he "punish these churches"
2. Is it a good thing that he did if he did"punish these churches"?
3.How are these churches "like the world"?
4.Where do you find in my tread that I compared P.P. to Apostle Paul?

Is it not that all Bishops, Elders, Pastors or people in Leadership should deal with erring members as per Scriptures?

Sorry if I gave the wrong impression!

Galatians 3
USA
14 Nov 2018 10:25

810 views
1. O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

3. Marriages to other denominations, exposing one's body to attract the opposite sex (full on butt and breast exposure), male made of honor, etc.,

4. What if these bishops, elders, pastors, etc., steal and work in corrupt ways... who gets to punish them?

God? Yes!

I don't think this will be the end for PP. Whatever was arranged in secret will be revealed.

hypocrisy
Australia
14 Nov 2018 12:04

784 views
The ACCN bring out booklets on franterization, yet they do exactly that by mingling with other denominations on allowing mixed marriages from outside the ACCN with members of ACCN.

This is called hypocrisy.

Sad Condition
USA
14 Nov 2018 23:20

719 views
It grieves my heart to read many of the comments above. Where have we turned as a Church denomination? What would some of the old Fathers like Guy Braun, Stephen Babin, Jacob Myers, Tony Betz, Steven Kovack think of our Church today? More importantly what does God see when he looks at the ACC?

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

The Preacher
USA
15 Nov 2018 4:45

694 views
Let All bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. Ephesians 4/31-32

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:Fear God, and keep his commandments for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good or whether it be evil. Ecclesiastes 12/13-14

Moderator
Australia
15 Nov 2018 7:00

673 views
That's a nice conclusion, The Preacher (Monument Colorado)

true verses
Australia
15 Nov 2018 9:49

637 views
Jude 1:3
Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

Isaiah 1:17
Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.

Prov.21:15
When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.

Prov.24:
24. Whoever says to the guilty, “You are innocent,” will be cursed by peoples and denounced by nations.
25. But it will go well with those who convict the guilty, and rich blessing will come on them.

Prov.28:5
Evildoers do not understand what is right, but those who seek the LORD understand it fully.

Amos 5:24
But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream!

Prov.29:7
The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.

Psalms 89:14
Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne;
Lovingkindness and truth go before You.

Proverbs 18:5
It is not good to be partial to the wicked or to deprive the innocent of justice

Deut.19:
18. And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother
19. Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

2 Corinth.6:
16. What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
17. Therefore, "Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."

1 Corinth.3:
16. Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in your midst?
17. If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for God's temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.


please answer
Australia
15 Nov 2018 9:54

636 views
re.
What would some of the old Fathers like Guy Braun, Stephen Babin, Jacob Myers, Tony Betz, Steven Kovack think of our Church today?

Did these elders justify the wicked and condemn the right during work they conducted at Church?

Did they have partiality towards members or the Church during work they conducted at Church?

Did they steal Church buildings?

Did they lie during members meetings, elder meetings, towards the Church and its members...etc?

Did they take over the work of the Church without working with the members of that Church?



good point
Australia
15 Nov 2018 20:30

580 views
re.
It grieves my heart to read many of the comments above.

Understood and very good point.

It grieves my soul that members STILL cannot see what the elders are doing, manipulating filth and defiling Gods Church.

So many members STILL are scared to STAND UP for the right.....

Moderator
Australia
19 Nov 2018 9:40

416 views
OK, it's time to wrap it up, me thinks.

Thank you everyone!

Special thanks to Mr Mars Den (my old friend too).


- Topic closed -


A B U S E R S  :  H A L L  O F  S H A M E 
Paul Pentsa
Brisbane
Janko Tomek
Melbourne
Andrew Szabo
Perth
Vlada Papuga
Melbourne
Philip Ruzeu
Melbourne
Nick Pentsa
Brisbane
Michael Stanjo
Melbourne
STAY AWAY FROM THIS MAN! His mouth is full of Biblical verses but his heart is filled with hatred, jealousy, treachery and lust for power. This FALSE CHRISTIAN is the root of almost all evil in ACCN in Australia and he will even take you to court, if he can't get his way.
Janko is pretty much like Paul, dishonest and unloving, just less intelligent. Janko is now building his humongous "warehouse" in Tarneit, destined to remain void of both faith and members. This UNREPENTED SINNER is still dreaming about becoming an elder!
Hard-hearted and egoistic, this long-time "elder" has caused immense grief, division and misery amongst the Nazarenes in Australia. Some even call him a sadist... not that Andrew really cares about anyone's opinion, though. Currently residing in a nursing home in Perth.
Earned his nickname by constantly repeating "Ljubazni" (Dear Ones) while preaching. This recently appointed "elder assistant" is ambitious, but at the same time not clever enough to realize he will always be just Paul's and Janko's messenger boy.
Philip is Paul Pentsa's son-in-law and definitely his best student. Proud, stubborn, arrogant - a classic bigot. Due to his off-putting personality and some weird beliefs, he's not on very good terms with Janko Tomek and other Slovaks in Tarneit.
Here is your future Elder, whether you like the idea or not. Nicky is "a very nice guy". No gift for preaching or leadership skills, but being Paul Pentsa's son, he's actually got everything he needs. Sooner or later his Dad will find the way to install him as his successor.
Janko Tomek's loyal admirer and bodyguard - sleazy, hypocritical, dishonest and ignorant. His interpretation of the Scriptures can make you laugh as well as his awkward sermons in broken English.


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