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ACCN Forum | The church can destroy your life!

Church
USA
19 Aug 2019 23:46

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The church can destroy your life, and if you are in bad blood with the leaders, they could go through a process of elimination to target you next.

You can sit there and be silent, but these leaders will do this again. When it happens to you or someone you love, you will then be able to understand why it is so important to expose the truth.

In Matthew, Jesus says that church members should forgive each other "seventy times seven." (18:22).

What does this verse mean? Does it mean that someone can break into your house and steal from you, or kick members out, or take money from the churches bank account without approval, sell a church for profit, etc., and you are to forgive them while they continue to preach or go to church as though they had not offended or done any wrong?

There must be repentance, restitution, and asking for forgiveness. It's not letting me offend you, rob you, and then you have to forgive me without me asking and keep silent on the matter, or worse I will blame you for my actions because you made me do it. — If you raise your children this way, they will have problems because life doesn't work this way.

In the Jewish religion, you have to ask someone up to three times for forgiveness. In preparing for forgiveness first, you have to do amends -repair the damage you did and then go to the person and ask them for forgiveness by saying, I'm sorry for what I had done, etc., If that person does not forgive you the third time, then it is between them and God.

In Christianity, you have to turn your cheek (refrain from retaliating when one attacks or insults you). In Matthew (18:15-17), it tells you what to do if thy brother shall trespass against you.

In the ACCN faith, are these steps being followed?

If someone can rob from you, kick you out of the church, sell what is not his, etc., and the church says it's okay, then they agree to crimes.

Agreeing to crimes is equivalent to priests in the Catholic church who molest and rape children and nuns. Why? Because the Catholic church (bishops, the pope, priests, and the cardinals) knows about these crimes and do nothing about it. E.g., if a woman went to a bishop and said this priest raped my boy, they would say don't worry and remove that priest. Except they don't deal with the matter, they send the priest to a new Parrish to continue to harm children and women.

Many people take advantage of religion for their own ill-doing. So, it's not really the church; it's the people in the church — the personalities. Unfortunately, instead of the church protecting the flock, they are protecting the wolves. I now wonder if the leaders of this church only care about power and the people that come to pray and give money.


sharply and openly
Australia
20 Aug 2019 0:18

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re.
There must be repentance, restitution, and asking for forgiveness. It's not letting me offend you, rob you, and then you have to forgive me without me asking and keep silent on the matter, or worse I will blame you for my actions because you made me do it. — If you raise your children this way, they will have problems because life doesn't work this way.

this is the Bibles answer........

1 Timothy 5:
20. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

this doesn't mean tell the ministers and or elders, and they will bring it before the church if they think its fit, the members need to rebuke them before ALL.

and

this also is the Bibles answer.......

Titus 1:
13. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

rebuke them SHARPLY, not calmly.

why?

because the elders, elder committee, are sinning willfully.

Re church and sharpl
Canada
20 Aug 2019 1:25

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Both well written.

If I may add:

For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
Romans 2:24 KJV

But to set the context read the previous part of the chapter.

19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,

20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

These are the marks of the false religions that call themselves Christian. Woe to them.

Where do we stand? Not just the preachers and leaders but all of us who are considered ambassadors for Jesus Christ.

Is God and His Son our Lord Jesus being mocked and rejected by the those who are watching including our friends, our colleagues and our children?

Are our fellowships failing both in number, growth, love for one another, and spirituality.

Are we even ready to invite the lost into our fellowship - what will they find? Will they come? How long will they stay?


very good
Australia
20 Aug 2019 23:28

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yes
well added....



Caution
USA
21 Aug 2019 1:44

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I know of several families that left the ACC in Europe and here in the US. As we have kept in touch with these families they ALL regretted leaving. Several of their children came back to us and are now members. Some leave due to offenses and then are also offended at their new fellowship? No Church is perfect, we have our faults also, but I love our Nazarene Faith where my children are 7th generation ACC members! Do other Faiths practice repentance, restitution, baptism, living a sanctified life, faith marriages, etc. Let's be careful.. When Jesus returns, will he still find true faith on earth? God bless each of you!

political
USA
21 Aug 2019 2:03

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People should be cautious to understand that these are people who use their power to control people. It's not about religion. It's political.

Most religious people believe that nobody should be hurt. When a church turns off the heat and water in the middle of winter, that is an action to hurt members. A religious person would think that it is a terrible thing to do in regular seasons, not just winter.

I ask you, readers, to go to different places and speak with different cultures, and people who don't go to church and ask them if this a good thing to do.

water/heat
USA
22 Aug 2019 6:54

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It's cheap, disrespectful, rude and I wonder if those who turned off the water and heat warned the members that there were going to be doing this. I wouldn't call this church a hoax, but aren't you supposed to be the sheltering ones and not cause members discomfort.

Bullying!!!
USA
23 Aug 2019 2:38

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It is heartbreaking that the ACCN church allowed such hatred to continue. I learned today that a group of children from West Akron told some of the children that were kicked out of their home church in CS that they didn't want to play with them, and if they didn't leave, they would play elsewhere, which they did.

This is bullying. This church condones bullying. If the adults don't show love, how do you expect to raise loving children who could contribute to our society?

Parents mirror
Australia
23 Aug 2019 14:32

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If the christian parents "possessed by devil" ,- being hateful to brothers in church, their children are also not-protected from the devil...
"The children are the mirror of the parents "... More overly they overtake them in the ruining and bitter actions ...

These parents are the rotten apples with their beloved children in the christian society... That is the fact .

Not surprised
USA
23 Aug 2019 15:11

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West Akron......ha!!!

Luke 8:17
USA
27 Aug 2019 4:11

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Everything that the ACCN church did in regards to CS doesn't make sense to me.

If you wanted to sell the building, why didn't you notify the members in advance? Why did you have to cause so much discomfort and financial burden if you agreed with these two men?

It could have been a done deal. Meaning, just come right out and say that the church should be given to these two men. Why lie? Why use someone else's money to disguise your inner hearts plans.

There is a lot more to this story, and it will eventually come out.

For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

Gentiles
USA
30 Aug 2019 13:09

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God sent his only begotten son to die on the cross for the gentiles. Jesus's Apostles opened churches wherever they went, and they taught how Christians should live. Today's ACCN elders in America and Australia close down churches and create so much hatred, breaking families and churches and causing so many offenses.
How can the committee elders and all those elders who support the committee sleep at night in peace? One thing is sure - they will be held accountable for what they took part with hatred between families and churches. Before God, they will not be able to support each other. They will be on that judgment seat like all of us, but this time they won't have each to plot and scheme against those they dislike. They also will not be able to say that those who suffer because of people like Stefan's, Tomaks, etc. are at fault. There will not be respecters of persons.


serious note
Australia
30 Aug 2019 17:17

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Romans 12:19
Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.

2 Peter 2:14
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

2 Peter 2:17
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

Why Blame the Elders
USA
30 Aug 2019 23:07

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I don't understand all you bashers!? The Elder committee was called to mediate the problems in CS. Now you say they were the cause of it all? The local members caused all the strife (for 20+ years) and the Church was closed because they couldn't resolve their issues. Why blame the Elders? Yes the Elder committee can rest peaceably at night!

who are you fooling
Australia
31 Aug 2019 0:19

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re.
John 19:11
Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

my comment here as the topic in question (not what the above verse is talking about, but the reason of "greater sin")

Herod had the greater sin then Pilate, as Herod was above Pilate, and authorized, allowed and wanted Pilate to deliver the sentence.

Jesus was as a resident as a Galilean and therefore under Herod's jurisdiction.

hence
the elder committee NOT stopping the closure of the church, and NOT stopping the sale of the church, but ALLOWING it (by not condemning it)
means
that they have the GREATER sin.

if the elders can stop it, and let it happen, is not only bad and a greater sin in question.

satan via committee elders, via david nikolson, via the stefans...etc and the line continues....

making people think its not that bad, as others are doing it, supporting it, allowing it, not condemning it....etc

this is that deceit manipulation way how the devil works to succeed.

the devil transformed into a serpent, that deceived eve.

if the devil came in his colours, everyone would run from him, but he comes as a wolf in sheeps clothing.

2 Corinth.11:
13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.


sin to death ignored
Australia
31 Aug 2019 0:23

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if the elder committe allowed dave nikolson to organise a wedding with an ACCN member and an outsider (that is not part of any nazarene church).....

the closure of the church is a piece of cake for them.....

Matt.23:24
Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

if the elders can swallow a camel, everything else is a gnat for them.....

thats why sins unto death are ignored by the ACCN Elders.

Not Stopping ?
USA
31 Aug 2019 1:16

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The Elder committee has no power to stop anything. They can advise as they did to petrak and his group, but they were stiff necked and stubborn. Try to envision a Sheppard leading a flock of goats. There is not a single Elder in all of our Churches that likes the outcome of CS.

Goat writer
USA
31 Aug 2019 2:00

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Are you one of the elders or related to one? If you are not an elder, how do you know if they sleep well at night? And if you are one, do you speak for all the ACCN elders? For those elders who sleep well at night, they don't have a conscience, and neither do you ’goat writer.’

Goat writer
USA
31 Aug 2019 2:08

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I would ask you to listen to the court hearing at David Nikolson's testimony before you slander. The CS situation is David Nikolson's fault. The ACCN elders supported Stefan's because of David Nikolson. Therefore this church has a bunch of thieves sitting in your pews.

in elders' minds
Australia
31 Aug 2019 14:19

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these verses are clearly in the minds of the ACCN elders.....

Ps.94:

6.They slay the widow and the stranger, and murder the fatherless.

7. Yet they say, The LORD shall not see, neither shall the God of Jacob regard it.

Christ is the body
Australia
20 Oct 2019 15:14

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Christ is the body of the church. The church (Christ is the Head) cannot destroy your life, but rather man can.

People who enter in sheeps clothing destroy.

A remnant will be saved, don't follow the crowd. Only a few will be saved, and this reminds us that we need more reverence and diligence to serve God - don't be offended in the hatred and damage people pour over you... place yourself in the prayer to God and forsake the hatred, not the church.

There are many Nazarene churches. And many more in these churches who are wolves... but be a light and stand up for Christ, don't run, be a bold Soldier for Christ. Dare to be a Daniel?

You are correct!
USA
22 Oct 2019 0:12

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You are correct. Christ doesn't destroy lives; it's the members of the church who use their power to abuse people.

In my opinion, this is a sad church. Terrible examples.

Not happy
Australia
22 Oct 2019 10:16

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Good morning MODERATOR!!!
You deleted quite few messages; Why?? Some are important...you may as well wipe-off the whole lot and close this w/site.

Best Regard

Moderator
Australia
22 Oct 2019 10:42

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Good morning. I've been warned on spreading untrue claims by some of the participants. Please double check your facts first, before posting here. Thanks.

Me Too
Australia
22 Oct 2019 11:45

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I too would like to know why you delete factual posts, but allow untrue posts to stay?

Moderator should not be biased, unless he/she has things up their sleeves and want to brainwash the readers with fake news.

Thanks

Agree with Me Too
USA
22 Oct 2019 22:08

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I agree with the above post. What was untrue? Instead of deleting posts, could you stop the rumors by clarifying what is incorrect?

Because there have been many posts that have been hurtful and untrue and were not removed!

(some of these church members are the worst kind of people I have ever encountered) Going to church on Sunday is not going to save you.

To Moderator
USA
22 Oct 2019 23:19

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The way I see it, you have a lot of control over what people post. Meaning you can remove any posts you like, so people are kind of at your mercy.

It is good to bring awareness to specific topics, but what you're doing is kind of scary. You get to control what is said and removed without giving further clarification on a topic.

For example, if you look at the depositions, you allowed a lot of bullying to continue. You didn't stop people from commenting until you posted the entire deposition. I don't know why? The only thing I can conclude was the traffic you were getting on your site because of the topic at hand.

I hope that you will read this without getting offended. I'm open and honest with you because this is what I see.

Moderator
Australia
22 Oct 2019 23:29

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This website is based on facts. Then integrity of this website must be preserved. So give us facts, not hear-say.

Sure Thing
Australia
23 Oct 2019 8:43

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Why is it that when we post facts, or just type in the name of a certain person/s, and name them by name including the moderators name, the post is rejected, but, if you name other names that the mmoderator has issues with, or dislikes, that name is posted.????

What integrity is there to be preserved? This site or the Moderators?
Because the Moderator has no Intentity, When He allows that others are lied about without blinking an eye.

Moderator 1
Australia
23 Oct 2019 9:28

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If you do not like it too bad,"This is my site and I can do what I want to do with it"

This is what the moderator will say to you all who question his integrity.

After all he is in control and he is not accountable to anyone. He is not a part of ACCN, but attends some other denomination, maybe Baptist. Yet he is allowed to bring prayer/prayers in Altona church.


Moderator
Australia
23 Oct 2019 9:52

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True, certain things are not to be posted here. I had to write some dedicated programming code that acts like a filter when someone's posting their comment. Firstly, swear words are not allowed, you know which words, no need to list them here. Second, I had to ban links, otherwise I would end up cleaning all these 'viagra pills' ads and rubbish. Third, I want visitors to post fresh news, true facts, documents, that sort of stuff, not always to go back 40 years in time and discuss what's already been discussed.

When it comes to names - am I not supposed to protect 'whistleblowers' who supply this website with quality information? So often I receive a private e-mail, with a full name and surname, and the person begins with 'I trust you won't post my name...' Am I not supposed to keep my word and protect he or she from harrassment? Then, there are court orders, please read it carefully, read it twice - there are court orders saying that certain names cannot be mentioned here. What am I supposed to do? Not to obey the law? When it comes to my own name (and everyone's got a name, have you ever met a person without it?) and also the names of all other people who are not elders and ministers, nor church abusers, no one ever left the faith because of them - why do you think their names should be exposed here? This website is called 'Spiritual and Mental Abuse in Apostolic Christian Church Nazarene in Australia'. Its mission is to expose those who spiritually and mentally abuse their fellow church members. If such individuals come here and start writing on this website, trying to retaliate against those who have exposed them, what am I supposed to do? Let them spread their lies, bully people, humiliate them? No, that's not what this website is for. You have your churches, do it there please.

There is plenty of those cockroach-minded people in the Nazarene church, who sit still and quiet every Sunday, never say anything, never stand up, never raise their voice against the injustice, always side with the elders, no matter what they do, and if someone dares to complain they instantly turn against them, reject them, shun them. And then they come here, to this website, and cry loud that there is no freedom of speech, no democracy, the moderator is biased etc. No, I am the moderator here, and I know you very well, and if you know me then even better - I am telling you, it's not about not letting people like you speak freely on this website, it's about not letting you ruin this website with your nonsense and malice - these are very, very different things.

What
USA
24 Oct 2019 9:10

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Is that so,

Moderator
Australia
24 Oct 2019 15:15

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That is so.


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Paul Pentsa
Brisbane
Janko Tomek
Melbourne
Andrew Szabo
Perth
Vlada Papuga
Melbourne
Philip Ruzeu
Melbourne
Nick Pentsa
Brisbane
Michael Stanjo
Melbourne
STAY AWAY FROM THIS MAN! His mouth is full of Biblical verses but his heart is filled with hatred, jealousy, treachery and lust for power. This FALSE CHRISTIAN is the root of almost all evil in ACCN in Australia and he will even take you to court, if he can't get his way.
Janko is pretty much like Paul, dishonest and unloving, just less intelligent. Janko is now building his humongous "warehouse" in Tarneit, destined to remain void of both faith and members. This UNREPENTED SINNER is still dreaming about becoming an elder!
Hard-hearted and egoistic, this long-time "elder" has caused immense grief, division and misery amongst the Nazarenes in Australia. Some even call him a sadist... not that Andrew really cares about anyone's opinion, though. Currently residing in a nursing home in Perth.
Earned his nickname by constantly repeating "Ljubazni" (Dear Ones) while preaching. This recently appointed "elder assistant" is ambitious, but at the same time not clever enough to realize he will always be just Paul's and Janko's messenger boy.
Philip is Paul Pentsa's son-in-law and definitely his best student. Proud, stubborn, arrogant - a classic bigot. Due to his off-putting personality and some weird beliefs, he's not on very good terms with Janko Tomek and other Slovaks in Tarneit.
Here is your future Elder, whether you like the idea or not. Nicky is "a very nice guy". No gift for preaching or leadership skills, but being Paul Pentsa's son, he's actually got everything he needs. Sooner or later his Dad will find the way to install him as his successor.
Janko Tomek's loyal admirer and bodyguard - sleazy, hypocritical, dishonest and ignorant. His interpretation of the Scriptures can make you laugh as well as his awkward sermons in broken English.


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