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Why are you scared of Coronavirus?

30 Mar 2020 7:36
To all ACCN ministers and elders in Europe, America, Canada, Australia etc,
I am pretty sure you all now preach at a full throttle pace regarding this Coronavirus thing which is pretty serious stuff, physically, emotionally and financially, you all talk how there is great fear and panic in this world and that people should repent and turn to God for salvation which is is really good.
But to my ACCN elders in America and especially in Serbia, Ukraine, Romania, Hungary etc you have lost sight of the real problem, like corruption ( you know what I'm talking about, "MONEY") and corrupt elders, destroyed churches and lives, I bet you all pray really hard for a miracle drug or vaccine to stop this Coronavirus, but the real question is have you ACCN elders found a cure to stop elder corruption? like abusing power, members and etc, have you found a cure to fix destroyed churches and lives? Everybody is scared but nobody is scared of what's really going on in the churches, Why? Nobody seems to worry or panic about the mess the ACCN churches are in.
You ministers and elders use the Coronavirus situation as a fear tactic to spread fear to your members and visitors and truthfully when and if does get baptized they learn later on of the hypocrisy within the church, you know exactly what I'm talking about, gossip, slander,hatred division's and so much more. Truthfully you elders have no idea how to handle the church problem pandemic you just ignore the problems, the suffering and members concern to where the church is headed.
I will give you elders some credit, you definitely have a cure to protect your selfish interest, motives, your corrupt elder buddies, and even your financial interests even your elder hand book.
None of these corrupt things scare you!!! But the Coronavirus does scare you, I wounder why?
On most of ACCN websites states temporary church closers and a time to reflect on spiritual things, use that time wisely, but then again you elders are all to proud and know it all.
But still how about you elders actually go and do something about the pandemic in the churches and I'm not talking about the Coronavirus.

read slowly
30 Mar 2020 12:39
but the real question is have you ACCN elders found a cure to stop elder corruption?

yes, its here:

James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.

they are more scared about a man/lab made virus, then God made punishment.

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'

Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

will it ever happen
2 Apr 2020 21:50
how many will stop for a bit and look at themselves, look at their inner man, evaluate their conscience, look into Gods word and see where they have erred from the truth, and put effort to confess their errors, repent from their errors, and make at least some level of reconciliation?

1 Pet.4:17

For it is time for judgment to begin with God's household;.......

Isaiah 3:14
The LORD will enter into judgment With the elders of His people And His princes:

3 Apr 2020 6:30
Title: Corona virus, give back my church.

I went to church every Sunday, reading the bible for spiritual research,

I used to go to bible study, to increase in knowledge,

I ask questions when I am stuck, I quote scripture to rehearse, and every study is a bliss to amaze,

And when in a crowd, I profess my skill; I speak all the wisdom of God’s word,

I proudly speak what I have rehearsed,

I must say, Christian’s are amazed, the process of my citations.

I never thought in a million years, of what could take place, a killer virus, only to plague,

My church has been taken.

Can this be true, is it “ FAKE NEWS”, but then again, my brother’s and sister’s are all shaken,

Is time to awaken? “Na”, I must be mistaken.

Be gone Corona, for you don’t know my persona, you leave me unshaken.

fear not
4 Apr 2020 0:08
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
2 Thess.2:3

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Mr Mars Den
2 May 2020 18:18
Any of our brothers or sisters in Christ infected?

3 May 2020 22:16
The media says coronaviris is coming. And everyone panics including nazarenes. The bible says "Jesus is coming," and nobody cares. The bible says will I find any faith on earth, we are being tested and so many nazarenes believe whatever media says and obey. We need to be alert and careful in these last days when Satan is working his hardest to deceive us because the end is nigh. You won't a heads up when Jesus comes like this fake corona for he comes as a thief in the night when your sleeping. God Bless

good example
8 May 2020 10:02
good comment "fear"
so true.

are we scared to disobey Gods word OVER disobeying the law of this land??

who do we need to obey more?

Acts 5:29

Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

with obeying the 1.5m social distancing, gatherings can still proceed, by why not have a gathering?

is the virus scaring us more then disobeying God?


what foundation are we really on, if we are on the foundation?

But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.

.......we are not facing persecution, and yet, we are troubled and are scared......why??

14 May 2020 20:46
So, ACCN churches, what have you learned from the corona virus? Well let me tell you church, you have learned absolutely nothing from this temporary church closer, you will forget covid 19 and you will still continue as you always have been, selfish, but what I can say is that you church and ACCN elders fought really hard in these difficult times, that’s right, “really hard” when the ball is in your court then it’s OK to do what makes you FEEL is right to save your churches! Good job ACCN leaders, you have obeyed Donald Trump and the White house guide line advice's to the social distance and church closer rules, well “guess what?” you are just like the Stefan’s, remember temporary church closer, Oh but lucky for you all ACCN churches, the elders saved your churches from permanent closer, the efforts they did, the obedience to Donald Trump’s orders, this goes to abroad churches as well, live stream sermons, good job elders you saved the day, but to the few who lost their church permanently, I guess they are just SUCKERS,

In all truth, you ACCN elders and churches actually did nothing to save your temporary church closers,
You were all scared to get sick and die from this corona virus, so you obeyed the government and the ACCN leaders advice's, stay home and social distancing, good for you all, you just saved your life on earth, well how about all those members who had to endure years of suffering from abusive elders and members, that’s right, “THE PSYCHOPATH VIRUS” oh, and how about “THE SOCIOPATH VIRUS”, and the innocent who still continue to suffer from these serious viruses.

Message to the ACCN European churches, all of you, in these difficult times did you get your pay check from the ACC sister church? If you did then good for you, I am extremely happy for you that there are people who think about you and care for you because you deserve all the help you can get “wink wink”, but when members ask for your help, well let’s just say that you sure know how to close a blind eye, I only truly feel sorry for the unfortunate who have no access for help and when they ask for help, where are you?

Yes, the church treasures fills their pockets and bank accounts or even better they fill their suitcases full of donated cash stashed under their beds!

Fun fact: Churches, you are not invincible and it goes to show that even your churches can be closed and taken away from you, by what methods? Use your imagination, God works in mysterious ways.

Last note: to you Psychopaths, Sociopaths, LIARS, Hypocrites and etc, take a hike, you are completely pathetic, that’s right you have learned nothing from Covid19, continue in your pathetic ways of abuse, stealing, coveting, and lying because evil doers and seducers shall wax worse.
Starting with Padina church front bench, and you can fill in the rest…………………………………………………?

14 May 2020 22:17
Really... 5 paragraphs to say nothing? Please take your medicine before sending your incoherent letter to this site!

14 May 2020 23:30
To Above,
Quick response, I hit a nerve, let me guess, Akron Ohio, or you got the corona virus, what medications do you you recommend? for all you churches that have been affected.

15 May 2020 0:27
RE: Really... 5 paragraphs to say nothing? Please take your medicine before sending your incoherent letter to this site!

Did you take your elders advice? you know, a time to reflect on your spiritual life in a time of crisis?
My point exactly, NOTHING has changed neither will it change! just remember USA why this website was created in the first place, and that this website will never go away, "AWESOME" I hope this website will stay forever so the abused victims can tell their stories.

USA, Akron Ohio, did you know that in the USA there is a 40 percent spike of antidepressants prescribed to Americans in this covid 19 crisis, Your victim as well, you know exactly what I mean, I am not mocking covid19 survivors, if this thing is even true? please share your story.

15 May 2020 1:33
To the spewing person "from Serbia" (yeah right), isnt your church closed too? Look at your own before judging everyone else.

15 May 2020 2:38
To Above:
Who did i exclude? please reexamine my statement above, in your words, "incoherent letter to this site."

15 May 2020 20:56
Hey, "closed", at least something good came from covid19, you probably received a good amount of money from Donald Trump's stimulus package, while we poor Europeans received a tiny amount from Europes stimulus package, so look at the bright side, it's a win win situation for every body.

16 May 2020 7:19
World Health organization

Of the 56.9 million deaths worldwide in 2016, more than half (54%) were due to the top 10 causes. Ischaemic heart disease and stroke are the world’s biggest killers, accounting for a combined 15.2 million deaths in 2016. These diseases have remained the leading causes of death globally in the last 15 years.

Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease claimed 3.0 million lives in 2016, while lung cancer (along with trachea and bronchus cancers) caused 1.7 million deaths. Diabetes killed 1.6 million people in 2016, up from less than 1 million in 2000. Deaths due to dementias more than doubled between 2000 and 2016, making it the 5th leading cause of global deaths in 2016 compared to 14th in 2000.

Lower respiratory infections remained the most deadly communicable disease, causing 3.0 million deaths worldwide in 2016. The death rate from diarrhoeal diseases decreased by almost 1 million between 2000 and 2016, but still caused 1.4 million deaths in 2016. Similarly, the number of tuberculosis deaths decreased during the same period, but is still among the top 10 causes with a death toll of 1.3 million. HIV/AIDS is no longer among the world’s top 10 causes of death, having killed 1.0 million people in 2016 compared with 1.5 million in 2000.

Road injuries killed 1.4 million people in 2016, about three-quarters (74%) of whom were men and boys.

Top 10 global causes of deaths 2016

Top 10 global causes of deaths 2000

16 May 2020 7:32
United nations.

As the coronavirus death toll mounts, global health authorities are reminding that tuberculosis is deadliest infectious disease in the world. Over a million deaths are reported every year.
Tuberculosis kills more people than any other infectious disease, according to information shared by the United Nations (UN) on Tuesday.

Around 1.5 million people died from the bacterial infection in 2018, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported, bringing attention to World Tuberculosis Day on March 24.

Approximately 10 million people are infected with tuberculosis every year, the WHO said on its website. Only a small portion of global cases receive the necessary life-saving medicine.

Over 4,000 people die of tuberculosis every day.

Read more: Tuberculosis outbreak in Germany

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that the current coronavirus pandemic demonstrates how vulnerable patients with lung conditions or weakened immune systems are to the new outbreak. Tuberculosis is a disease affecting primarily the lungs.

"For millions of people with tuberculosis, the coronavirus represents a significant danger because their lungs are already weakened by tuberculosis, their general health is low due poverty, and they don’t have access to adequate healthcare," Burkard Kömm, director of the agency German Leprosy and Tuberculosis Relief (DAHW) told German news agency EPD.

16 May 2020 7:36

TB bacteria are spread through the air from one person to another. When a person who has TB disease of the lungs or throat coughs, speaks, or sings, TB bacteria are spread in the air.

16 May 2020 7:51
Measles is one of the most contagious diseases in the world. Anyone who is not protected is at risk, especially when traveling abroad. Measles vaccine works well. About 97 children out of 100 who get 2 doses of vaccine won't get measles if they're exposed to it.

16 May 2020 8:00

Statesman and former United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan once called snakebites "the biggest public health crisis you've never heard of." The World Health Organization is looking to change that.
Millions of people across the world read about the horrors of the Ebola virus in 2014, when the deadly disease rapidly spread from a small village in Guinea to the rest of West Africa, Europe and the United States, killing around 11,000 people.

The three-year outbreak attracted widespread international news coverage generating pervasive fear throughout the Western world.

However, as international news anchors warned citizens of the risks of the Ebola virus, another far deadlier killer swept sub-Saharan Africa, Southeast Asia and South Asia: venomous snakes.

Snakebite took the lives of up to 400,000 victims between 2014 and 2016, making it almost 40 times deadlier than the Ebola virus.

A green rainforest snake hisses.
Although there is a global medicinal cure for snakebite called "anti-venom," it still accounted for up to 130,000 deaths and over 300,000 paralyzing injuries and amputations last year.

The World Health Organization (WHO) released an action plan on Thursday to change that.

The organization wants to cut the number of snakebite deaths in half by 2030 via a $136.76-million (€122.67-million) bid to educate communities on how to prevent snakebites and provide more widespread anti-venom medication to impoverished communities historically incapable of receiving proper timely care.

Read more here: Three-eyed python found in Australian outback town

16 May 2020 8:14
My opinion, Coronavirus is a conspiracy, or at least nothing compared to the worlds leading heart disease.

16 May 2020 8:45
Serious diseases mentioned above and yet more can be said, how about wars, illegal bombings in Serbia, Syria, lybia, Iran, Afghanistan and so much more, many innocent lives were taken and how about those people that sufferd lost limbs, mental illness due to war and people suffering from cancer caused by the bombing attacks on innocent civilians and the world continued to function normally, and yet Coronavirus shut down the entire worlds economy, banks, schools, airports, European borders and not to mention churches, I will be polite to not judge America only, "CLOSED COMMENT" I'll start with Serbia, Ukraine, Romania, and rest of Europe, Australia, Canada and America, you notice I put America last on the list, do you see the damage Coronavirus did, there was literally no toilet paper on the store shelfs, masks and rubber gloves sold out world wide, who do you think benefited from all this? That's right big corporations. It's all abomanipulation and control, and fear mongering is a good tool.

16 May 2020 9:01
My advice to the ACCN elders, Please make sure your churches are properly stocked with toilet paper, hand sanitizers and do your selves a favor keep your masks on.

16 May 2020 15:13
This covid19 is fake news but trumps not allowed to admit to it over his own safety its funny how the elders believe the media more then the bible.

There is no covid19 no one's died from covid19 it doesn't exist like Donald Trump said Fake news ???????? well the media deceived alot of acccn members

16 May 2020 16:20
OH, and ACCN elders, don't forget the social disting rule, STAY AWAY FROM MEMBERS AT ALL TIMES!

16 May 2020 16:23
Correction, social distancing rule.

17 May 2020 0:56

9.1 million people
That's more than one-tenth of the world's population. How many people die of hunger every day? The FAO estimates that as many as 25,000 people lose their lives every day as a result of hunger. That adds up to roughly 9.1 million people who die of starvation each year.Sep 11, 2015

In 2017, 40 million people struggled with hunger in the United States. The USDA defines "food insecurity" as the lack of access, at times, to enough food for all household members. In 2017, an estimated 15 million households were food insecure.

World Hunger Day 2019. Today, some 821 million people suffer chronically from hunger. And although this is significantly fewer people than the numbers we saw a decade ago, hunger still kills more people than AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria combined.May 28, 2019

Approximately 3.1 million children die from undernutrition each year (UNICEF, 2018a). Hunger and undernutrition contribute to more than half of global child deaths, as undernutrition can make children more vulnerable to illness and exacerbate disease (UNICEF, 2018a).

The crisis in Yemen, caused by prolonged conflict, has led to staggering impacts on human life, basic public services and the economy. More than 3.3 million people have been displaced and nearly 16 million are in desperate need of food.

Almost 100 civilians were killed or injured every week in 2018, and the toll on innocent families is only becoming more severe as a recent escalation in violence has led to increased displacement and death. People are struggling to survive, severe outbreaks of cholera and other communicable diseases are ongoing, and the risk of famine looms.

Millions of Yemeni people need our help. Today, more than 24 million people within the country are in need of humanitarian assistance, and the UN’s Humanitarian Response Plan for 2019 is less than a quarter funded.

This devastating humanitarian crisis has, for years, gone largely unnoticed. But the world can’t afford inaction any longer — too many lives are at risk.

Mercy Corps is there to connect communities with desperately needed resources, but our work is only possible with your knowledge and support. Learn more about the crisis and find out how you can help.

Fears of hunger rise amid pandemic, economic collapse in US: poll

Oak Park, Illinois: Kate Maehr has never seen anything like it: lines stretching for blocks as people, many with children, inch forward to get boxes of food they hope will last until the next giveaway, until the next pay cheque or until they can get government food assistance.

"It's just heartbreaking," said Maehr, executive director of the Greater Chicago Food Depository. "They're finding themselves in a set of circumstances where they have no income and they also have no food, and it happened in an instant."

The number of people seeking help from her organisation and affiliated food pantries has surged 60 per cent since the start of the coronavirus pandemic, which has shut down the nation's economy and thrown tens of millions of people out of work.

Across the US, worries about having enough to eat are adding to the anxiety of millions of people, according to a survey that found 37 per cent of unemployed Americans ran out of food in the past month and 46 per cent said they worried about running out.

Even those who are working often struggle. Two in 10 working adults said that in the past 30 days, they ran out of food before they could earn enough money to buy more. One-quarter worried that would happen.


18 May 2020 5:14
To, Sebia, and the Closed COMMENT,

I know I hit a nerve when I said Padina, Please, can you tell me "WHO?" are the new elected trial elders in PADINA church?

18 May 2020 13:57
I agree with everything you say here. Of course its a conspiracy. Only an idiot believes every word the news says. But whats your point? What do Padina trial ministers have anything to do with any of this?

18 May 2020 14:51
RE: Fun fact: Churches, you are not invincible and it goes to show that even your churches can be closed and taken away from you, by what methods?

So, ACCN churches, what have you learned from the corona virus? Well let me tell you church, you have learned absolutely nothing from this temporary church closer, you will forget covid 19 and you will still continue as you always have been, selfish,

But to my ACCN elders in America and especially in Serbia, Ukraine, Romania, Hungary etc you have lost sight of the real problem, like corruption ( you know what I'm talking about, "MONEY") and corrupt elders, destroyed churches and lives.

RE:I agree with everything you say here. Of course its a conspiracy. Only an idiot believes every word the news says. But whats your point? What do Padina trial ministers have anything to do with any of this ?

There's no problem, you agree with everything I said, thumbs up.

Padina ministers can do nothing at all, they can't solve anything, just like all the ACCN elders and ministers, do you agree with that???

I hear there is a second and possible third wave of the cororavirus coming in the near future, I suggest all ACCN elders, wait they are useless, better have your local church trustee's to hire, second thought, trustee's will possibly steal your churches, just find someone honest from your church to hire a local plumber and have bidet's installed in your churches bathrooms, because cororavirus will bring great destruction, no more toilet paper.

Just curious though, who are the newly elected trial assistance elders in Padina? You know where Padina is, Right?

18 May 2020 20:47
Covid19 you need to chill you paying too much attention to other people then yourself and attacking everyone we should focus on ourselves how we stand before God.

All your research is useless if you lose your life coz your too busy lookin at other people. Jesus didn't do that so we shouldn't either

19 May 2020 3:51
To above,

"let me ask you something?" Is this your first time on this website?........Have you ever posted any prejudice comments and attacks on certain individuals on this website in the past? would it be fair to ask you, have you ever quarreled with any one before?, say like Melbourne church, Sydney church and Brisbane church? family members, coworkers etc? of course there are lots of problems everywhere, but looking back in the past, the beginning creation of this website, there were and still are many problems in Australia, and to this day no "reconciliation" has been made, am I right? a lot has been said by many people / members, so in fairness, who is your local elder? and which elder do you support in Australia? Tomek? Pentsa? Papuga? Bowman or Cucanic? come on man, be serious, Australian elders are definitely not unified, and never will be! do you love all the Australian elders equally? i'm pretty sure you have a favorite, and if you do have a favorite then you are biased, so which one are you? at least I express my feelings truthfully, and you should do the same.

My last question, are you judging and condemning me based on partiality?

19 May 2020 7:19
Covid19 you sound like a politician with all your comments maybe you should get a job in parliament and no I'm not judging you or anybody your comments speak for itself good day to you sir

To fear
19 May 2020 10:29
What if it's a madam?

19 May 2020 11:17
To fear,

Should I take your comment as a compliment? or a insult?

Like I said, you are clearly biased, and good day to you sir.

And To: To fear??? Sexist? Misogynist?

To Covid19
19 May 2020 12:15
You are feisty!! HA HA HA

19 May 2020 15:22
To above,
Your fake laugh, just like the Coronavirus.

28 May 2020 20:29
Covid19 brother we both know this virus is fake but it doesn't affect our beliefs it's the fake nazarenes who bother us the most and tempt us to sin. It's within where the temptation is coming from and it's sad but it's unavoidable we congregate with them unfortunately

answer is here
28 May 2020 23:01
but it's unavoidable we congregate with them unfortunately

Titus 1:13
...........Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith

To answer is here
31 May 2020 3:36
How do you rebuke self righteous people they are in the right you are wrong thats how they see it. Secondly we are living in the era where no one aceppts accountability for their actions therefore rebuke doesn't work anymore we are in the last days.

Revelations 22.11

Mr. Mars Den
31 May 2020 10:36
To: Covid19, You really are infected badly mate!
Your posts are going VIRAL.
Seems like you over indulge in ur 'Corona' ale.
Perhaps a Coronial Inquiry may be necessary.

31 May 2020 22:08
To Mr. Mars Den,
Do your self a favor, go back home to your planet Mars and crawl back into the Den you came out from.

read slowly 10 times
1 Jun 2020 14:48
2 Thess.2:9
...............................Satan will pretend to work all kinds of miracles, wonders, and signs.

this cannot change
1 Jun 2020 14:51
Rev. 13:8

All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast all whose names have not been written in the Lamb's book of life........

Mr. Mars Den
6 Jun 2020 16:24
It appears that you are heavily infected mate, the greater social distance from you, the safer.

6 Jun 2020 17:02
Planet Mars Den, I am not your mate!
146.66 million km, that's a safe social distance from you, wouldn't you think?

7 Jun 2020 16:08
Covid19 your right on the money mars den needs to crawl back into his den he's 1 of those parasites we have to put up with in our congregation you see they crawl into our churches to make discord among the brethren

the Lord hates this
8 Jun 2020 12:48
Proverbs 6:

16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

rebuke sharply
8 Jun 2020 12:50
Titus 1:13,

"This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;"

this is sometimes necessary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Mars Den
8 Jun 2020 18:45
Read Mathew Ch.7, first five verses and please reveal some of good deeds you've done for ACCN, so that some of us 'parasites' may follow.
Only genuine answers please, no vitriol.

9 Jun 2020 8:34
To Mars Den,
Did you know, FEAR GOD was a 90's popular bumper sticker in Australia. Look at the times now. No fear at all.

Humble Christians have sacrificed their faithfulness to the Lord, their time, effort, dedication to their church, only to suffer abuse, humiliation, separation from their crooked church leadership.

The big problem is for the young, what they see, how will the young react? Will they get discouraged and leave the church? Or will they follow the church model; groupies, fashion, keeping up with the Jones etc.
The young will mimic what they see in church and from their parents. I hated going to church as a kid because of church kids bullies. That happened as well.

Mr. Mars Den
10 Jun 2020 9:09
Yes,so true my Earthling m8. God's words of wisdom are being adulterated. misinterpreted, diluted or omitted altogether as to appease Political correctness protagonists and skeptics.
We are living in end times, the Markings of the Beast via the 'magic' chip has already begun.
ACCN members better be awake and alert!

10 Jun 2020 10:43
The bible has to be fulfilled!

And he causes all,small and great,rich and poor,free and slave,to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads.
That no one may buy or sell except one who has a mark or the name of the beast,or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast,for it is te number of the man:

10 Jun 2020 11:06
REV.16:10 & 11

Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast and his kingdom became full of darkness;
And they gnawed their tongues because of the pain.

And they blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores,and did not repent of their deeds.

The pain caused from micro-chip radiation in the body.

chapter and verse pl
10 Jun 2020 11:15
are the words "micro-chip radiation" found in the bible?

if so, can someone provide chapter and verse please?


10 Jun 2020 12:02
To chapter and verse pl,
Please explain: what is the mark of the beast mentioned in revelation?

10 Jun 2020 18:39
mark of the beast is ANY form of obedience, state of worship or allegiance to the devil.

any form of obedience to the devil, leaves a mark on your soul.

the use or using of credit cards, computers, computer chips have no interference or leave any marks on your soul.

its the act or form of allegiance to the devil that is the mark of the beast....

mark means:
an area on a surface having a different colour from its surroundings, caused by damage or dirt, blemish, streak, spot, fleck, dot, blot, stain or smear.....on your SOUL.

10 Jun 2020 19:06
It clearly says that no one will be able to buy or sell who does not take mark of the beast.

11 Jun 2020 17:29
To Read, what does this verse mean?

Deuteronomy 11:18-21
King James Version
18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

physical / spiritual
11 Jun 2020 17:56
it means a physical mark you have to put around or on your hand?

it means a decorative band or ornament worn on the forehead?

meaning is?
11 Jun 2020 18:00
rev 6:2
I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

is this referring to an actual "white horse" or a spiritually meaning behind it?

Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.

is this referring to an actual "red horse" or a spiritually meaning behind it?

be spiritual minded
11 Jun 2020 18:02
3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed.

is it referring to a farmer sowing seeds?
is it a spiritually meaning?

11 Jun 2020 18:13
OK, but was God asking Jews to wear a literal tefllin?

11 Jun 2020 18:21
RE: It clearly says that no one will be able to buy or sell who does not take mark of the beast.

Can you also give me a spiritual meaning to this statement?

11 Jun 2020 21:30
RE: Can you also give me a spiritual meaning to this statement.

1 Cor.1:22
For Jews request a sign,and Greeks seek after wisdom;

Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered saying,
"Teacher ,we want to see a sing from you." But he answered and said to them. An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign,and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish and so on.

Is Jonah's sign physical or spiritual?

11 Jun 2020 22:01
To Read,
I'm sorry, you lost me! What are we talking about?

compare old with new
11 Jun 2020 22:10
old testament was a physical sign
the new testament (in most cases) is in a spiritual sense.

romans 2:
28. For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Genesis 17:
7. I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
8. The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”
9. Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come.
10. This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised.

11 Jun 2020 22:20
I still don't understand your point.

12 Jun 2020 14:53
Covid19 I don't understand either I think we should look at what's happening around us and pray to God we're ready not worry so much about the old testament but John the revelater book of revelations well that's my opinion

14 Jun 2020 22:46
i think the point that was trying to be made, is that is doesnt mean it will be an actual mark on the hand or forehead.

as previously that someone commented in:
Deuteronomy 11:18
18. Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

in those times it was a physical mark, and today a spiritual mark.

hard times for true followers was, is and will be, more and more, as the end day is approaching.

the devil marks true followers with persecution, hardship, restrictions, sanctions....with going to church, getting married, attending church sermons, receiving communion....etc

one possibility.

and with these restrictions, they cannot trade/buy/sell spiritually things....etc

may also be this
15 Jun 2020 18:35
mark of the beast, marked by the beast, the beast marking true Christians...etc, are closely related.

whoever gives allegiance to the devil in any way, the devil has won over you.

you have received that allegiance to the devil with your hand, by a act conducted by your hand
your head is led by the evil spirit, as you mind being misled away from the holy spirit.

you mind is being devil led, or won over you doing his work, as people give allegiance with their hand, by signing oaths, or swearing by raising their hand...another example.

16 Jun 2020 16:34
May also be this, you don't know what your talking about so stop writing false and misleading comments none of us gave allegiance to the devil your either blind and walk in darkness or the light the bible is plain and simple to understand.

many did
16 Jun 2020 17:50
Daniel 12:10
Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.

read slowly
16 Jun 2020 18:06
Psalm 96:5
For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the LORD made the heavens.

the governments, the state, the country...etc are idols.

those that give allegiance to the state, country, constitution, laws of the land...etc, are committing idolatry.


Revelation 16:14
They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

the devil "DOES" work through governments to get people to give allegiance to the state, country, constitution, laws of the land....etc

one way is signing allegiance to them, raising your hand, putting your hand on the Bible, signing the oath, and or giving your written agreement to them.

it is simple and easy to understand....if we choose to want to.

this is serious
16 Jun 2020 21:01

allegiance means:

- loyalty or commitment to a superior.

- giving a promise to be loyal, or the action of actually being loyal to something or someone.
- giving a pledge, promise or by swearing that you will follow, uphold or obey the laws & regulations of a country.

literal or spiritual
2 Jul 2020 0:57
re.mark on the forehead

ezekiel 9:4
And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

take note:
.................and set a mark upon the foreheads.....

is this a literal mark in the new testament church?
is it still a literal mark?

To, Mars Den
17 Jul 2020 4:28
Your worried about the mark of the beast....who do you think is running your church now?

17 Jul 2020 10:15
good point....

17 Jul 2020 12:27
This is only the beginning!!
Worst is yet to come.

18 Jul 2020 19:31
Matthew 24:8-13
King James Version
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

I know this to be true, these elders and evil people mentioned on this website are marked already.....for a long time now!

many will be
19 Jul 2020 0:57

matt 7:

22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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