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Secret Group in North American Churches (The Brethren)

Secret Breaker
USA
30 Jul 2021 16:19
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Lately I have been hearing whispers of a secret group within the North American AC Churches. While it’s purpose are at this point still unknown to me, my own angst drives me to find out more. This is so that I can either join them or fight against them with my dying breath. I have heard that they meet in secret and go by many names, but most commonly the name “The Brethren”. Does anyone know anything else about this group? Any information would be helpful.

Luke 8:17


Brethren Elder
USA
31 Jul 2021 8:21
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I am a member and elder of a group within the ACC that has been called "The Brethren" by some. This is because of our true purpose, which is to uphold the Brotherhood. However, we refer to ourselves as True Apostolics (TA). Unfortunately, I can not disclose more information, as the membership and action of the TRUE AC must remain discreet due to corruption within the broader body of the FALSE AC.

If you are interested in participating in the TRUE APOSTOLIC CHRISTIAN CHURCH, perhaps one of our members will reach out to you if they feel that you are worthy.

Interesting
Australia
31 Jul 2021 12:42
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Why being secretive? In Jesus Christ there is no secrecy.
You are "True Apostolic" there is no perfect church on this planet;
Jesus said: I am the way the truth and the life.

You sound more like a cult.

Moderator
Australia
31 Jul 2021 13:02
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Brethren Elder - you have mentioned corruption within the ACC in North America. Can you please share with us what you consider by corruption? Thanks

Brethren Elder
USA
3 Aug 2021 9:15
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@Interesting:

Secrecy holds a special place within the tradition of the ACC. Take, for example, members' meetings, closed services, and the elder handbook.

Your excuse that there is "no perfect church" falls flat before a God who will return for His perfect Bride adorned in white, and not some crack-whore living in the gutters.

By calling us a cult you reveal that you know nothing about what defines a cult and I suggest you look into that further.

Brethren Elder
USA
3 Aug 2021 9:16
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@Moderator:

One must only look around to see the corruption of which I speak. Has it not all been made clear by other posts on this very site?

Love, Brethren Elder

Concerned guy
USA
4 Aug 2021 4:40
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The brethren sounds like the name of a group in a cheap movie about an Amish mafia.

We have seen groups like this in the past(faith movement, ect...) what good do they accomplish? The Stidinger group split the ACCA/ACCN, then went on to split within themselves several times.

Unless these people have the faith to bring issues to the light in a loving manner and show that scripture is being violated, they are cowards and are being used by Satan to hurt the Bride of Christ.

Moderator
Australia
4 Aug 2021 10:18
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>>One must only look around to see the corruption of which I speak. Has
>>it not all been made clear by other posts on this very site?

Yes, but all other posts are quite specific.


Explains everything
USA
5 Aug 2021 13:30
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By calling potential members of Christs body "crack whores," you have very clearly identified how you believe and what this "group" stands for. No wonder its secret. Im sure Christ is proud of you for calling members of His church crack whores.

To brethren elder
USA
6 Aug 2021 7:28
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Why are you in hiding? Don’t you want to show everyone the real truth?

Chadstone
USA
6 Aug 2021 14:11
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To the moderator: I am from the ACC in North America and the elder corruption spoken about above is:

1. Conducting church work differently when related to their children. (The elders'children are usually the worst examples)
2. Ignoring sin within the fellowship.
3. Threatening to discipline and publicly shaming those who do not agree with their poor and unscriptual leadership.
4. Make many meetings about nothing and acting holy and reverent but in reality putting nothing into action and letting the church go which way it goes even when ignoring scripture
5. Twisting members' words and "making them say" what they didnt mean and threatening discipline for it.
6. Instantly calling a brother "out of control and angry" and threatening discipline because its a sin to be angry when the elders are called out for unscriptual church work. This one they are experts at. ANY concerns with ANY tone of even a hint of anger will be dismissed and the brother will be told to repent; whatever the brother said will be deemed irrelevant.

Many more things....

could you clarify
Australia
6 Aug 2021 22:58
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thanks Chadstone

are we referring to the ACCA or ACCF church groups here?
or
is it a group thats separated from the ACCN?



Vin
USA
8 Aug 2021 5:43
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What does the brethren stand for? I would love some info as well. I can even leave an email if someone want to contact me anonymously.


Vin
USA
8 Aug 2021 6:03
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mjjames0777@gmail.com

if you do contact me with info please dont leave your name or identifying info.

Berean
Canada
9 Aug 2021 21:08
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What doctrines do the True Apostolic Christian Church hold to?
- diety of Christ
- Atonement
- Fraternizatization
- Sermon on mount/ plain

continue also with
Australia
9 Aug 2021 22:37
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What doctrines do the True Apostolic Christian Church hold to?

- serving the armed forces
- signing of oaths
- being part of the ecumenical movement

Concerned guy
USA
23 Aug 2021 13:33
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Do we have an answer to what bodies this is happening in? I know that the ACCA and ACCN have had some large shifts in the last few years, is "The Brethren" a part of both groups? or is this something that has to do with the Andras/Dubach movement towards the Christian Apostolic group?

Brethren Member
USA
31 Dec 2021 12:27
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We remain anonymous because of persecution.

Just look at the very comments in this thread condemning us.

Our goal is to infiltrate the ACCN from the inside and deal with the corruption.

Soon we will no longer be silent. Soon we will rise and the whole AC will know our names.

Brethren be Blessed

I was sceptic
USA
1 Jan 2022 3:24
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At first who brethren come to me I two was scrptical. But they did shoe me the way. I now understand the future and way we must flight.

Brethren be blissed

Brethren Member
USA
1 Jan 2022 14:00
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We have several members in position of authority throughout the ACC. Several of the Canadian churches and even some in Ohio.

Soon… lest he terry

Concerned guy
USA
2 Jan 2022 13:53
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This whole “Brethren” movement has me concerned. Are the Elders doing anything about them?

Are the Elders even aware of their existence?

Brethren Elder
USA
4 Jan 2022 14:14
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The Elders who need be aware, are aware…

There is more to be concerned of than this. We are here to save the ACC

follow doctrine
Australia
5 Jan 2022 15:48
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Isaiah 59:

14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.

15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.

Time will show whether the elders that are not fallen asleep spiritually, do make the right move!!

We hope and pray that they bring correct spiritually punishment against those in sin.



dear Elders
Australia
5 Jan 2022 15:55
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............make the correct move!!!!!

2 Kings 6:16
And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.


Titus 3:10
“A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;”

Romans 16:17
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Those in sin, are causing the divisions in the Church, by continuing to remain in sin, and not wanting to repent and confess their sin.

Jude 1:
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Can church offend?
Australia
12 Jan 2022 8:09
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Can members who convince themselves in the front rows that they are leaders and only they know best.. can they cause others around them to be offended?

Woe to those who offend.

Time to Growup...
USA
20 Jan 2022 12:29
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It's clear that you are trying exactly what happened in the ACCA from the late 90's to now. People trying to fix things, and acting like they didn't need to council of the entire church. It started in secrecy, and now they are their own church with a group doing the same thing within their new body. Sounds like a modern day Marvin Steidinger. He split the ACCA/ACCN with his hypocrisy, and then started 2 or 3 other groups before he passed on.

It’s what we do.
USA
20 Jan 2022 16:37
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The only dance I’m allowed to do is the Anabaptist Split

Goal
USA
23 Jan 2022 14:48
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Is this group's goal to correct the "liberalization" of the church? The answer to this question has many wondering. I know of whole congregations in Ohio that would join if that was the case.

more details please
Australia
23 Jan 2022 19:05
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who was Marvin Steidinger?
what did he actually do?

Berean
Canada
24 Jan 2022 13:49
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Marin Steidinger was the elder that was key to causing the split in the sister church in 1932 which became the German Apostolic Church. Another split came off of that also in 1955 to move towards English preaching. Today, combined, they're less than 150 people with little or no youth.

what for?
Australia
24 Jan 2022 14:24
2464 views
what was the reason that he split it?
were there doctrinal issues?
or
differences?

Are they still called German Apostolic Church today?
How many churches and elders do they have?



Berean
Canada
26 Jan 2022 2:05
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I can't say for sure what the reasons were.
I'm not sure if those churches still exist, but the the three cities that they were from are Forrest IL, Sabetha KS, and Silverton OR . I'm not sure if there are any others.

thanks
Australia
26 Jan 2022 11:51
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thanks Berean

to Berean
Australia
26 Jan 2022 11:52
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so, was the split in 1955, the so called formed ACCA?
how many were with the Marvin group at that time?

Berean
Canada
26 Jan 2022 13:25
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My understanding is that Marvin Stiedinger split the ACCA in 1932, and another split was formed (I don't know the reasons) in 1955.
The 1932 split is called German Apostolic Christian Church, and the 1955 split is called the Christian Apostolic Church.
I don't know what percentage of the mainline ACCA left for the Stiedinger side.

The main line ACCA / Nazarene split occurred in 1906 (known as the moustache split)

moustache?
Australia
26 Jan 2022 14:23
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thanks again
oh
in 1906?
what was all that about?

Berean
Canada
27 Jan 2022 5:01
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Let me back up a bit. In 1848 the apostolic church made it's first presence in Lewis county, New York. These were mostly from Switzerland and maybe other western European countries. By the 1900's many churches were formed in the US and eventually took on the name Apostolic Christian Church of America. When the eastern European Nazarenes started to appear on American soil, they were met by their brethren and some had beards but no moustaches, similar to what you see in the Amish-Mennonites. But the Nazarenes came over and had these really big long moustaches. Hence, this is what is know to have caused the first big split in 1906 between the Americans and Nazarenes.


really??
Australia
27 Jan 2022 10:06
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sounds sad if they were disagreeing on this kind of stuff!!!

could it have been something else that let to the split, that wasn't talked about??

hard to accept that those suffering persecution, and didn't give in to the governments hardships, would allow a split over a moustache??



Berean
Canada
27 Jan 2022 13:47
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Yes, probably. A lack of love for your brothers of different nationality would do it.

double checking
Australia
27 Jan 2022 18:31
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so, you are saying that the nazarene movement entered the USA soil about the year 1848 from europe?
do you know when it took on the name ACCA?

do you know
Australia
27 Jan 2022 18:38
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re. 31 july comment on:

TRUE APOSTOLIC CHRISTIAN CHURCH,

do you know which group this is in reference to?

ACCA?
ACCN?
ACF?
or
Christian Apostolic Church?

Berean
Canada
28 Jan 2022 4:56
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I would very much doubt that any of those 4 groups you listed would have any part of the "TrueACC" . Neither would the Andras/Dubach group suggest themselves to be "The True Apostolics"
I personally think that whoever is behind that is just playing games.

sure
Australia
28 Jan 2022 12:13
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oh, ok
thanks

MM
USA
29 Jan 2022 16:03
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For an overview of the various churches just go to Wikipedia and search Apostolic Christian Church of America.

It is easy for us to look back and say that a split over a moustache is a little silly, but we must try to understand the culture back then. Many members came from the Amish or Mennonite Church. The Amish and some Mennonite groups don't allow the moustache. The reason is because when the Amish and Mennonites were in Europe they were mistreated by people in the military. These people wore moustaches and so moustaches were not allowed.

If you want to know more about the other splits and Martin Steidinger just go the the Wikipedia article.

correction
Australia
29 Jan 2022 20:20
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re.
If you want to know more about the other splits and Martin Steidinger just go the the Wikipedia article.

not everything is true and accurate on Wikipedia!!!!!!

read the bible
Australia
29 Jan 2022 20:23
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we shouldnt change our faith or modest christian bible based dresscode because of the governments persecution on us.

its not biblically justified.

Ephesians 6:11
"Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil."


1 Peter 5:9
"But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world."


1 Corinthians 16:13
"Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong."



MM
USA
30 Jan 2022 16:08
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I want to say thanks for the reminder that not everything on Wikipedia is true or accurate. I would like to know if anyone has read the article on the Apostolic Christian Church of America and found any inaccuracies? If so please point them out. I would like to know. Also, more information on the church can also be found in the book "Marching to Zion" by Perry Klopfenstein.

Berean
Canada
7 Feb 2022 0:56
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Dear Father in heaven, I pray in the name of Jesus that you bind the powers of darkness, that are tormenting Dana and those that are close to her. Bind them Lord and cast them out that they might live a life of freedom from oppression and sin , and that they might walk in victory believing in You.
We're unable Lord to cast out demons and evil spirts , all because of lack of faith, Lord, which I ask forgive us...,strengthen our faith! Lord God, we call on you and beg you to do it in our time as you did it when you were with us, that a miracle might be worked of You!...and that again You'd be glorified and praised! I ask this in the name of Jesus!!

prayer
Australia
7 Feb 2022 15:12
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Dear Father in heaven, I pray in the name of Jesus that you bind the powers of darkness, that are tormenting Dana Petras that are close to her, and that are tormenting Dana Petras with her speculations. Bind them Lord and cast them out of her, that Dana Petras might live a life of freedom from oppression, sin and speculation, and that she might walk in victory believing in You.
We're unable Lord to cast out demons and evil spirits , all because of lack of faith, Lord, which I ask forgive us...strengthen our faith! Lord God, we call on you and beg you to do a miracle in her life!...and that again You'd be glorified and praised! I ask this in the name of Jesus!!

please help,where?
Australia
7 Feb 2022 17:48
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Does anyone have ANY idea what she is expressing?????

Everyone that I have talked to has absolutely no idea at ALL what she is reciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Moderator
Australia
8 Feb 2022 0:24
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I'm currently in the process of moving cities with my family so I have no time to deal with Dana's rampage. I have already blocked her once but she's now flooding this website from another place. We can go like this on and on, but instead I would like to kindly ask Dana to stop posting here and start working on her issues, with the help of our Lord.

Dana Petras
USA
9 Feb 2022 4:35
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CIA: I never consented to be part of you illegal experiments. I will never bow down to you. EVER! Everything you did to us was illegal.

Human Rights authorities: they tried to get me to commit suicide using gas. I've been psychologically abused and tormented. The illegal study has been going on for almost four decades.

Please help us. Please. I'm scared.
Dana Petras

Concerned guy
USA
9 Feb 2022 15:32
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Berean,

Marvin Steidinger was the elder that created the mustache split aswell. Also, the Andras/Dubach group has joined the CAC(steidinger group) and started new CAC churches in Akron and Bluffton.

Dana,

I think I knew your sister at one point. I have not heard from her in a while. I hope she is doing well.

to Dana
Australia
9 Feb 2022 15:50
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re. comment by Dana:

Please help us. Please. I'm scared.
Dana Petras

these are the answers:

1 Thessalonians 5:
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.


1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."


Luke 10:
10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.



Berean
Canada
10 Feb 2022 2:05
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To concerned guy;

I remember hearing something years ago, someone saying the moustache split would have never happened if the second steidinger split would have happened first. There's no reference to that in any ACC writings so it's hard to say.

Concerned guy
USA
10 Feb 2022 3:40
1706 views
Berean,

I think I have a paper saved of elders notes from the meeting deciding one of those splits. I will see if I can find it, and post a link for you.

Moderator
Australia
11 Feb 2022 14:02
1628 views
I deleted Dana's comments, leaving only one (as a reminder what was all that about).

Thanks.


Dana Petras
USA
19 Feb 2022 14:50
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In the name of Jesus Christ, spiritual courts you have no power over Anna and our family. Get thee behind us Satan.

Dana Petras
USA
19 Feb 2022 23:11
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You all committed extortion. It criminal. You played with united states federal government.

please help
Australia
20 Feb 2022 22:07
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Does anyone have ANY idea what Dana is expressing?????

Everyone that I have talked to has absolutely no idea at ALL what she is reciting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fake
USA
5 Mar 2022 20:43
1203 views
i think this whole thread is a joke, people trolling each other

hmmmmmm
Australia
6 Mar 2022 1:32
1183 views
well, not really............

if anyone has a valid point that they were making, it would be fine....

and

if it makes sense, it would really help too.......

but, when it doesnt make ANY sense, and nobody doesnt understand anything whats been talked about, well, then its meaningless!!!!!!!!!!!

Concerned guy
USA
16 Mar 2022 1:21
1053 views
I doubt it's a joke. These groups have been under the surface in all AC groups for years. Everytime one group is rooted out another one arises.

The proper approach would be to test the ideas of the group with scripture, then go to church leadership with that study if there is scriptural proof of nessisary growth in the body.

Whining over traditions, and church practices only weakens the body. Raising tradition to doctrine, or lowering doctrine to tradition is a bad habit in the ACC.

I'm praying for the church. May God purge us of any spiritual cancer in the pews and pulpits.

Berean
Canada
20 Mar 2022 12:15
985 views
@Concerned guy,

I'm confused when you say "these groups". Maybe I'm out of the loop here.

Can you give an example of "one group rooted out and another arises"?

Concerned guy
USA
1 Apr 2022 23:20
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Just look at the ACC page on wikipedia to see a small sample of groups that have come out of the ACC over the years. There isn't a single country that the ACC is in that there aren't splinter groups.

Even in my small town we have 3 AC churches and several Mennonite groups that broke out of the Mennonite church to be like the ACC without joining the ACC.

Moderator
Australia
5 Apr 2022 18:32
772 views
>>There isn't a single country that the ACC is in that there aren't splinter groups.

---------------------
As I have been telling ppl for years - the ACC organizational structure is wrong and ***unbiblical***, and that's why it constantly fails.

read carefully
Australia
5 Apr 2022 22:18
765 views
jude 1:
4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


galatians 2:
4. And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

5. To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.


whoever doesnt understand these verses, is sleeping, or fallen asleep.

1 Corinthians 11:30
For this cause MANY are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.



Doroslovatz
USA
1 Aug 2022 13:53
144 views
I know this is a bit off topic but I didnt want to start a new thread just for this. Does anyone know the addesses and weekly schedule for the Nazarene Doroslovatz churches in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane? Who are they affliated with, Petrovaradin or Budisava and do they have any contact with the ACCs in Australia and what are they like and how big are they each?

can you supply
Australia
4 Aug 2022 20:47
76 views
whats your email address?

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