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Paul Pentsa not welcome in Melbourne anymore

Grace
Australia
31 Oct 2022 20:04
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The fearless leader has been rejected by the mt cottrall Church in Melbourne he has done alot of damage in this church taking sides and not relying on the lord but his interests only and now it's come to bite him back.

Matt 7:15,16

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles.



correction
Australia
31 Oct 2022 21:14
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Hasn't been done with Mt'Cottrall church but only by VP & JT.

Moderator
Australia
1 Nov 2022 0:20
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Usual story, when scumbags run out of victims, they turn on each other..

for both sides
Australia
1 Nov 2022 0:36
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Proverbs 6:16-19

16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

very clear
Australia
1 Nov 2022 0:39
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Galatians 6:8
Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

its clear who sowed what!!!

for VP, JT and PP
Australia
1 Nov 2022 1:13
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Proverbs 14:14
The faithless will be fully repaid for their ways, and the good rewarded for theirs.

Proverbs 21:13
Whoever shuts their ears to the cry of the poor will also cry out and not be answered.

Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Proverbs 1:31
Therefore, they must eat the bitter fruit of living their own way, choking on their own schemes.

can you add this one
Australia
1 Nov 2022 1:17
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Proverbs

chapter 29
verse 21

If you give your servants everything they want from childhood on, some day they will take over everything you own.

Justice coming
Australia
1 Nov 2022 21:38
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Many members suffered under VP and JT. The church was not informed what deceitful lies they sowed.the members were kept in the dark but the light is coming.

Justice coming
Australia
1 Nov 2022 21:50
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Whoever is reading this, I want you to know that PP was very welcomed to our Brisbane church. JT visited brisbane a week before PP arrived just to plant lies and evil speaking against him. JT and Then this little puppet VP shot themselves in the foot.

Here we go again
USA
1 Nov 2022 21:54
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Many rumors go around over and over, but when you get to the real truth, do people spread the truth as fast as they do the false rumors? No!, Men love darkness rather then light, because their deeds are evil, and the light will expose their deeds. But when the judgement day comes no one will be able to hide, the truth will be revealed. So be patient and still.

vital not to forget
Australia
2 Nov 2022 0:13
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John 19:11
....therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

People forget about the meaning behind this example what Jesus stated.

Who has sin, a partaker of sin, and who has the greater part in the sin?

Ephesians 5:
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.



Injustice
Australia
2 Nov 2022 11:54
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Of course he's welcome in Brisbane like all the other crooks and theives and liars and who take people to courts of darkness Mr justice coming. Your justice is from this world run by Satan. The Lord almighty God will judge everyone of us. You reap what you sow Pentsa

bibles answers
Australia
3 Nov 2022 13:39
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1 Kings 22:
20
And the LORD said, `Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?' "One suggested this, and another that.
21
Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, `I will entice him.'
22
" `By what means?' the LORD asked. " `I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " `You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. `Go and do it.'
23
"So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."


2 Thessalonians 2:
10and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

further more
Australia
3 Nov 2022 13:45
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Ezekiel 14:
9“ ‘And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the Lord have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel.
10They will bear their guilt—the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him.

take note of verse 10: the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him.......

dear marsden, tarneit and churches that support or supported removed elder paul pentsa:
we are not allowed to seek consultation from the elders that are in sin, live in sin, strive to continue in sin, and do not want to show any remorse of their past sinful actions.
...because you ALL will bear the same guilt and punishment as to what paul pentsa will get

Ephesians 5:
6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience.
7Therefore do not be partakers with them.

removed elder paul pentsa is a disobedient member of the ACCN


Blinded
Australia
5 Nov 2022 11:19
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Don't be judgmental until everything is layed on the table.
Let the spirit lead the church. Not vlado. He is not a leader but a follower.by the way the above statement is incorrect.Paul Pentsa is and will continue being the serving elder of Australia. I should know since I too am a member of Australian church.

hmmmmmm
Australia
5 Nov 2022 12:20
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1 Corinthians 11:
27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against thed body and blood of the Lord. 28Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the bodye eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

This is not only regarding the Lords Supper, but also a partaker in the Spiritually Work of the Holy Fellowship.

He has been removed by the North American ACCN Elder Body in La Puente Church in 2003, which we all know, but choose not to recognise, because we choose to partakers in his sins.

Ephesians 5:
6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience.
7Therefore do not be partakers with them.

he is a disobedient member of the ACCN

many years of disobedience doesnt get his to be an obedient member..................................................................

Interesting accusati
Australia
5 Nov 2022 17:23
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So tell me why then when he is in America that those elders invite him to take part in baptismal work? Or are your saying all the american elders are in sin too? Stop lying and check your facts first. I have visited most churches in america and they acknowledge
him as a great elder.sorry to dissapoint you!

Moderator
Australia
5 Nov 2022 17:38
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You are saying that most American elders support Paul Pentsa? I'm sure you won't have a problem to tell us the names of some of them?

check for yourself
Australia
5 Nov 2022 18:13
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removed elder paul pentsa cannot participate in the sermons in colorado springs church anymore either...............

are you sure????????
Australia
5 Nov 2022 18:17
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To the writer who uses the name Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
be careful what you write, that you would not be the one who is the sinning one.
You write that Paul Pentsa has been removed, you state by whom,(North American ACCN Elder Body) and the year(2003) and place(La Puente Church).
I know there is a document from the meeting that took place at the meeting you claim that Pentsa was removed. In that Document it gives the date as March 6 2003,It Gives the place as La Puente Church, and it states the Elders present, I find that Paul Pentsa is addressed as an Elder! It further states that apologies were made to brother Paul for personal hurt they caused by the sanctions they imposed on Australian Elders. and That the snctions were then removed by bros. Robert Freund and Steve Nenadov, with the statement that brother Paul is a free elder to work and preach in all churches without restrictions.

This was signed and dated by Elder from ACCN Doug Savin April 4th 2003!

So what document do you have that is valid to make such a statement that he was removed??

Do you not know that the Bible tells us who will be cast into the lake of fire, among all the murderers and fornicators are mentioned Liars, those who make lies and love lies. Are you one of those that seems to love lies and cling to them even if you are shown the truth? I warn you to be careful and repent and make right what you have wronged. And ask that person you are slandering for forgiveness, perhaps he will pray for you, that you will not be in danger of hell fire.

Sorry if this truth hurts you, but healing needs to take place among you people.


Liars
Australia
5 Nov 2022 21:11
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Just because your an elderly it doesn't make you a saint. if you steal,cheat,lie and take brothers to court your in danger of fire. You can't reverse what you've done without repenting right. There is quite a few people in Marsden who commit those sins and haven't repented. Are you one of them since you stick up for pentsa. Are you sure ????????

To are you sure!
Australia
5 Nov 2022 21:14
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Dear are you sure!
If you have copy of a letter dated May 24th 2006 that says American elders are very disappointed in PP when he promised at the meeting in La Puente 2003 that he will implement the recommendations in Australia and make a peace and he didn't. Wouldn't this automatically make him a liar?


Facts from America
USA
5 Nov 2022 22:55
2587 views
The truth TODAY is this. He is no longer performing baptismal work in any of the churches in ACCN as of the last 2 or so years except perhaps his brothers church in Florida. Also, he is no longer even preaching in the USA anywhere except the Romanian churches of Hollywood, Cleveland, the new group in Lodi and thats about it. Those are the facts and those are about the only churches he visits here anymore.

Untrue speaking
Australia
5 Nov 2022 23:22
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To the American writer above..how do you know where he preaches? Where you in vista church when he preached? Or south bay California? Or Lawndale plus west akron? etc. were you at the last baptism in Colorado springs a few months ago where PP was involved in the baptism work? If you were, then you would have known different than to write false statements.

Find & read letter
Australia
5 Nov 2022 23:38
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30 Jan 2002 letter was when Elders Steve Nenadov & Robert Freud placed sanctions on australian elders Paul pentsa and Andrew Taylor.

Pentsa and Taylor have not confessed their sin yet, repented of their sin yet, and are removed from conducting church work as elders.

The words in that letter were "Sanctions were imposed" instead of elders removal.

So, people choose to think they are still free active elders.


Ask Papuga & Tomek
Australia
5 Nov 2022 23:42
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The elder cover ups, lies, sin supporters and corruption in elders bodies does not free pentsa and Taylor as free elders.

Moderator
Australia
5 Nov 2022 23:45
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Here is something to refresh memories...



Facts
Australia
6 Nov 2022 0:07
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Lying is a sin.
Did pentsa repent from that sin?

The US elders redrawing from assisting further in Australian churches does NOT free pentsa from his sin.

Confession and repentance of his sins DOES free him from his sins.

We hope he does make reconciliation and not end up going in the grave like Andy Kozy..........

Meaning
Australia
6 Nov 2022 0:11
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unequivocally means:

in a way that leaves no doubt.

Pentsa also at Marsden brothers meeting after that letter imposed sanctions on ACCN members not approved or supported by him.

Did he attempt to make peace by doing this?



Ask Papuga & Tomek
Australia
6 Nov 2022 0:43
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And.......

People STILL cannot see what pentsa is doing....welll, some have chosen to wake up....

tomek and papuga chose to want to see now, after how many years??????

When tomek and papuga supported pentsas sins, pentsa was ok with them.
But, now when they have exposed pentsa sins.....what now?????


Here we go again
USA
6 Nov 2022 8:13
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Stop flogging a dead horse,you guys are writing about things that have been dealt with in the past, if you post letters from 2006 moderator, why not post letter that ACCN elder wrote about this web site that it should be shut down as it is deplorable,who is in the disobedience now.
Come on folks, grow up, and move on to better more spiritual conversations, what can be edifying.

Moderator
Australia
7 Nov 2022 0:53
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"Here we go again" - you either don't know Paul personally, or you are playing some skirmish games here. If you ever get a chance to speak with him, you will be shocked how much he lives in the past and flogs a dead horse, as you said, time and time again. It's impossible for him to forgive and forget. He's like a pittbull, once he grabs something he won't let it go. So we are giving him here a bit of his own medicine. We know he hasn't changed.

Oh yes, someone there in Brisbane, please ask him if he still goes around and tells funny jokes about Serbians. To his Serbian wife, for example. Or to her children. Like this, you are in an airplane, flying over Serbia, you put your hand through the window (as if that's possible) and, oops, your watch is gone. Ha ha, so funny...

ouch did that hurt
Australia
7 Nov 2022 8:02
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To Moderator.
By what you are writing, it seems you have a lot of axes to grind in regards
to your past. You must of been very close with P.P., but it seems that you are very touchy when your skin is touched. You say that you are giving him a bit of his medicine. Is that true that your wife is half Romanian and half Hungarian,
and yet you seem to be such a nationalist, You seem to be offended if any comments are made about "Serbians", you ask if P.P. tells funny jokes to his "Serbian Wife....or her children." Do you know that his wife has a quarter of Slovak in in her, and her children's father was Romanian from the same town your wife's mother came from? I am sure that they have a better sense of judgement then to be offended at "funny jokes" like you seem to be. Do not pick on other nationalities, were have no choice in which family or race we were born in, but we have a choice to rise above being racist and nationalist. The Serbian or German or Hungarian or Slovak old man should have been dead and buried when we went in the watery grave of Baptism. Oh by the way are you still hurt that P.P.'s uncle beat you so bad in the chess games?
Let it Go, do not carry that sore loser attitude, it will do you so much harm and it has caused you so much bitterness in your life. Please seek help from a counselor. Oh, why is it when what you post or this web site is picked on you attack the writer, as above you wrote, "or are you playing some skirmish games here." Is that what you are doing? Do you not know what harm false things on this site or any other site for that matter can do? It can cause mental stress on so many readers, yet you claim to want to want to expose the abuse in ACCN churches! The truth will not do that, but false writings will.
I read somewhere that now web sites can be held accountable for the contents on their sites, it that is true, be careful, you never know what some will do if they are a "Pitbull"

Moderator
Australia
7 Nov 2022 15:01
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Same-old, same-old from our Paul... He's concerned about people's spiritual wellbeing and the "harm and mental stress" this website may cause. Nothing written here is true? Well, good, that's why we have you, so that you can add a bit of truth here. Now you can't say it's all 100% false.

And how's going with you in Colorado Springs? See, my wife's sister, who lives there, was our guest recently. I asked her, like, how many members do you have in your church..? Oh, that many, nice, nice. And how many ministers do you have? OK.. OK.. And she tells me their names, etc. Oh! But what about our good old Paul? You guys won't let him preach in your church? Why? Some misunderstanding? Oh, what do you say, hold on, I can't believe it - he's not even a member in Colorado Springs? How come? I thought you need to be a member there where your ass is sitting, not somewhere else. But OK, we already know, when it comes to PP, exceptions are always justified.

Well, it's good that you are back to Australia, Paul. Many people have been looking for you. Especially those that you screwed for money. Those tradies, for example. Rough fellas, I can tell you. But anyhow, you know them better, the way they are. And then, you also borrowed money from some church members, right? I've heard you owed money to a certain lady in Marsden who likes to play the piano. Well, let's hope it's all settled now.

I remember, you Pentsas used to show off and live well above your means. Big business people! And then, the inevitable happened - bang, kabooom, your construction business collapsed in 2017. You gambled, you lost. Goodbye, "Classic Homes". Or should we say, "Homes You'll Never See"..? Many people didn't get their money and their houses, so you Pentsas had to run away. Godspeed! And those angry customers and tradies started coming to this website, asking about your whereabouts. Cringe, cringe! Your son Roman asked my friends to give him my mobile phone number. So they first rang me, like, should we give him your number or not? And I said, don't bother, normally he wouldn't call me in a thousand years, such good friend and brother he is, but now he wants me to remove the stuff on the website about his family's failed business. Well, the website has nothing to do with their business. And if someone is threatening their lives, they should call the police, not me.

So far, so good, Paul, right? All truth here? Or not? What do you say?

And now, people are kicking your butt wherever you go. Everyone is sick of you. They don't even want you in Melbourne, wow, can you imagine that? You are down with your luck, Paul. You are nosediving. You just don't see the obvious. Other people need counseling? Paul, Paul, be careful what you wish for! You never know, at the end you may actually find yourself locked in some psychiatric ward. Impossible, you say? Well, just consider what happened to my father-in-law, another "great elder".

Love
USA
8 Nov 2022 15:19
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I love you all!

Me Too
USA
8 Nov 2022 18:38
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Love believeth all things, thinketh no evil ect. All what 1 Cor.13 says. I love you too. Our God loves us because he is our father, and because he loves us
he often chastened us for our good, so we maybe partakers of his glory. What a wonderful father we have. Praise be to him.

Yes, very true
Australia
8 Nov 2022 23:38
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John 15:2
Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.

Titus 2:
11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions,and to live self-controlled,upright and godly livesin this present age,
13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is

But........
Australia
8 Nov 2022 23:43
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Hebrews 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

1 Peter 4:17
For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?




Facts from America
USA
11 Nov 2022 2:01
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Actually it is true that he no longer preaches in America in most churches. This is as of the last few months. I live here, I know. He performed baptismal work in Colorado because they needed help and he was already there. Ask when the last time he preached in Colorado was? And it's true the elders are starting to turn on him here. Full agreement and full stoppage? No. But it is not like it used to be either.

Moderator
Australia
11 Nov 2022 3:12
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"Facts from America" - Thanks for this info, appreciated. Well, it seems that PP will now try to split Melbourne in half. And those morons, sorry, I mean to say American elders, will just sit passively and watch it - as usual!

Moving on
Australia
11 Nov 2022 23:57
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Since Paul pentsa is no longer elder of mt cottrall then who will take over the duties performing baptisms or weddings or other matters with the congregation ???

There is only one other elder here in Australia M Cucanic and there are souls ready for baptism.



only one option
Australia
12 Nov 2022 0:57
1983 views
Ask Christ.
Christ has the answers.

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Luke 10:16
He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.



Correction
USA
13 Nov 2022 7:59
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To clear up your statement.the baptism in colorado springs had 5 elders present! Why would you say they needed help? Also the American Elders are in close contact with elder brother Paul Pentsa. Please stop lying.do you know something of inside information? As far as preaching in Colorado, he hasn't been preaching much because of the church order since he is considered an visiting/ guest. If you say he's not an elder, why is he than baptizing? And moderator it is not nice of you to call some Elders morons.
If you call someone a fool what does the Bible say about that? You don't sound like the moderator but an persecuter.

Moderator
Australia
13 Nov 2022 22:39
1837 views
To: "Correction"

Of course they are morons, idiots, retards. If they still believe in PP's righteousness and work with him, they are morons, what else could they be? Wherever Paul Pentsa goes, he creates discord and division. How dumb a man must be and not to see that? Well, it puzzles me. I don't understand that anyone can walk on two legs and at the same time be that dumb.

PP was in Melbourne today, in the Mt Cottrell church. He went there to discuss his differences with his ex-buddies Janko Tomek and Vlado Papuga. These three squabbled fiercely for 90 minutes, in front of all members, calling each other liars and sinners. I will now close this thread and open a new one, where people from Melbourne can share with us more details about today's big quarrel.

This topic continues here:
Paul Pentsa in Melbourne, squabbles with Janko and Vlado

 

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