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Elder PP blackmails the church.

Interesting
Australia
12 Dec 2022 11:18
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Yesterday PP's letter was read by Philip R.

If church don't accept 4 other elders to come to do the work with him,than the previous punishment 13-11-2022 imposed on V.P. J.T. and another member is back in action.

Moderator
Australia
12 Dec 2022 11:32
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Poor Paul, his insanity is eating him alive.

Why
USA
13 Dec 2022 7:38
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Is it not what some wanted, to have other Elders get involved?

To why
Australia
13 Dec 2022 8:29
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Why to use the church now as a Ransom threatening these 3 members when PP himself imposed punishment on them.

This is dictatorship: if you don't do what I tell you, you will pay the price.

Not So
USA
14 Dec 2022 4:17
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Are people so confused?
It is either other Elders come, which the church is asked to support them to come, or else the work stands which was done, was this not the same, as what was read by V.P.to the church that prior to any work to be done, things have to be dealt by other Elders from overseas? So what is this blackmail or Ranson
Talk? You can't have the cake and eat it too.

To not so
Australia
14 Dec 2022 10:03
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Dear not so!
As you write that V.P.read to the church prior to any work to be done,things have to be dealt by other Elders from overseas. I agree to that.

Now my question is: Why PP didn't wait for other elders to come but carried out the work by himself without even asking the church. Then the following Sunday had to undo everything he has done.


Just to Clarify
USA
14 Dec 2022 13:46
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As far as we were informed, V.P. did not ask the church about calling any Elders,when P.P.asked by email V.P.
Clarity on his statement to the church, V.P. did not respond to him, So P.P. apparently went in person to the church and asked him before all for explanation of statement and of whom did he speak about. Appears the church had no knowledge that J.T. and V.P. we're working behind P.P's back, slandering him.
If when we were at our baptism questioned what to do if we see someone sin, would it not be right to bring it in practice, and at least let that person know that he needs to fix something, or else you will reveal it. But if it is not true about that person what you stated, and you still spread it, is it not slandering him or her? Then who is doing the sinnning? As Elder of church, P.P. can ask for
Other Elders to help out, he is the serving elder. In our churches here, our Elder invites other Elders when he needs help, this is common practice among the ACC churches
and Nazarene churches.

To > Just to Clarify
Australia
14 Dec 2022 15:30
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This is not in question here who said what; this work will continue when other Elders come.
But I ask you: Please explain why P.P. had to cancel his work?


Just to Clarify
USA
15 Dec 2022 3:32
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To your question, why did P.P.had to cancel his work, you will know when the time comes, I don't think he had to cancel, most likely he wanted to give it time so as to preserve the peace, he did say he counseled with other Elders,so that might be some advise he received, but why is that so important to you? Is it a good thing that he canceled his work? It is a sign that he is willing to give peace a chance, wouldn't you agree? The main thing here should be, why are so many public unverified comments about other's
Spread? Why not follow what Matt. 18 says, go to your brother and tell him his fault between you and him.....to gain your brother. Do not seek to destroy him, by slandering him or her.

Moderator
Australia
15 Dec 2022 3:41
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To make it simple, they just want to get rid of him. That's the point.

They don't want any other elders coming, they don't need any of PP's "work" there anymore.

Unfortunately there is no one to tap him on the shoulder and tell him that his time has passed.

So he will just keep making a fool of himself.

Not good
Australia
18 Dec 2022 0:12
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Why did he cancel it if it was correctly done?

Why did he not call other elders to come, and wait for their presence before completing the work needed?

If it was completed, why call other elders to come?






More questions
Australia
20 Dec 2022 14:12
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When PP was in mt.Cottrel church November 13 & 20 2022 why didn't he ask the church if they accept other Elders to come do the work?
But he had to send a special letter with the threat.

Before he came,the word was going around that he is coming with 2 other Elders; So why only he came? And now he is asking for 4 other Elders. Why 4?


Why
USA
24 Dec 2022 11:31
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By whom were those statements spread that PP was coming with two elders, and for what purpose would he need to bring two elders with him? Did he have any idea what V.P. & J. T.were doing behind his back?
Like calling other Elders without the church knowing anything about it. So which elders were supposed to come? And for what purpose did V.P. & J.T.call elders, was it to Baptize the souls awaiting? Is that the new trend now to bypass your serving Elders and call others that you want, or is this the old way that was done by those who did not like the American Elders before, so they sent the converts to Yugoslavia and got them baptized?

other way round
Australia
24 Dec 2022 12:44
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both sides need to confess their sins and make reconciliation.
(this brings peace)
but, instead
both sides are trying to find fault on the other.........
why?
because both sides want to be lords instead of servants
(which both sides were ok with this unbiblical order....)
until their front bench position was in question....
then
they confess the sin of the other.....






Moderator
Australia
28 Dec 2022 0:43
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So folks, what's up? It seems the show will continue in February. PP is coming back to Australia to complete what he started. He's bringing four elders to Melbourne, so that he can finally dismiss Janko and Vlado. Who's gonna be paying all these airplane tickets and other expenses? I don't know, but not me, ha ha.

Really
USA
31 Dec 2022 0:40
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I hear that PP is coming for the Ordination of a new Elder in Brisbane, who is it? Any feedback on that? Or is it a secret? Moderator should know.

Moderator
Australia
31 Dec 2022 14:40
2666 views
John Petrak.

updated news
Australia
31 Dec 2022 21:25
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and, i heard that 4 other elders are coming too.
to remove paul pentsa from eldership

Moderator
Australia
1 Jan 2023 0:22
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A trip to Australia would be something like 5,000 dollars per person. Better give that money to poor children, for their books and clothes, instead of wasting it on monkey business.

Elders
USA
1 Jan 2023 1:42
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That is the reason they should have Elders in every church if they can get support of the church. With Covid and Border Closure, and travel costs, it is good
to have local Elder/s who can work together to take care of the church.
But it is what it is.


Moderator
Australia
3 Jan 2023 10:48
2556 views
That's the catch. For years and years, PP has fought ruthlessly to stay in charge in Australia, by destroying any potential competitors. His plan was to install his sons to his position and let them rule after him. That obviously did not work and he's now forced to acknowledge other elders.

PP simply followed the classic tyrant playbook - crush the competition, spread the fear, build a cult, break the rules. I highly recommend this 6-part documentary on Netflix, you'll be surprised how many things sound familiar:

How to Become a Tyrant
https://www.netflix.com/au/title/80989772


UWU
USA
7 Jan 2023 15:47
2373 views
Elder PP… lol

Moderator
Australia
8 Jan 2023 0:08
2346 views
Yes.. The Living Legend..

Sick of lie's
USA
10 Jan 2023 11:41
2236 views
Before you spread more lies, hold your tongue between your teeth and wait to see the outcome after the work is done.

Moderator
Australia
10 Jan 2023 16:58
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The inevitable outcome will be 20,000 dollars spent on PP's twisted desire to prove himself right and righteous, although everyone knows he's as right as Al Capone was right about paying his taxes.

hope and pray
Australia
10 Jan 2023 17:24
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most of us are waiting for him to accept his removal as being elder....
and
accept the punishment from the Church on his past actions.

we pray that he confesses his sins before he goes to the grave, and not be as Andy Kozy was.


Sick of lie's
USA
11 Jan 2023 2:40
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Wishful thinking....to hope and pray...hope and pray that God will forgive your gossiping and telling lies.

Sick of lie's
USA
11 Jan 2023 3:32
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To moderator, the trouble all is with you..don't forget your wife's sister is in mine church. Your comment earlier about pp causing to the big expensive trip ...guess what.. JT and VP are the ones who wanted the elders to come from overseas..get your story right..

Moderator
Australia
11 Jan 2023 4:09
2164 views
Well then, say hello to my wife's sister... And whoever wanted the elders to come is wasting that money. They can simply use Zoom and resolve their issues online. That's how it's done today.

Zoom, Really?
USA
13 Jan 2023 17:12
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So how can you ordain an Elder through Zoom Mr. Moderator? They needed to go for Elder ordination in Brisbane
Also.So it is not as easy as you make, they usually need three Elders to ordain.Melbourne is just an addition to things they can achieve at the same time. It is actually a bargain, but what about these Elders leaving their jobs and families for all those weeks and yet they do not complain, remember Judas, how he complained about the oil poured on Jesus, which he thought could of been sold, and the money given to the poor? Jesus said, the poor you have always, so yes we can give as much as we can of our own money if we care for the needs of those poor children,can't we? Moderator. I can provid you with a few addresses
In other countries where you can forward your gifts to.

Moderator
Australia
14 Jan 2023 2:11
2019 views
Thanks bro, you seem to be a really generous mate. I don't hesitate to help those who are in need, but I think I'm gonna pick the addresses myself, as I always did.

Regarding the elders, you are probably not aware of that, but here in Australia we already have two elders, Miodrag and Arnold, and I don't see any "reasonable reason" (apart from some unreasonable reasons) why not to use THEM to ordain the third one, John P. It's definitely cheaper than paying the overseas tickets. Any thoughts?


this is reason
Australia
14 Jan 2023 12:03
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But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
- James 2:9

Wondering
USA
18 Jan 2023 10:26
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Did PP do any work at the baptism in Colorado?

more info
Australia
18 Jan 2023 16:37
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on which date?

Wondering
USA
19 Jan 2023 7:10
1785 views
January 15, 2023

Wondering
USA
24 Jan 2023 2:35
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Anyone who was there?

Who knows if this might contribute to the brewing split here in the US.

Moderator
Australia
24 Jan 2023 3:50
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And what is that split about? Please inform us ....

please verify
Australia
24 Jan 2023 12:19
1598 views
whether its the change in the biblical foundation teaching of sins unto death?

Concerned guy
USA
25 Jan 2023 1:41
1548 views
I'm interested in what this split is over aswell. Does it have anything to do with the guy posting about "the Brethren" awhile back?

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