4 Jan 2023 5:37
I have heard that the sister church is adding a hymnal that will have current christian Praise and Worship songs. I am not sure if they are adding them to their brown book, or creating a new book. Does anyone know if ACCN elders will allow these books to be used?
4 Jan 2023 11:11
which sister church?
ACCA or ACF?
4 Jan 2023 13:05
I think ACCA, ACF would probably go to ZH only if they made a hymnal change.
whats more important
4 Jan 2023 18:00
why would if bother anyone regarding the hymnal change within the ACCA, when they reinstate members that have committed sins unto death??
this is WAY bigger of a sin and full disobedience to Gods Word.
?o Whats more impor
4 Jan 2023 22:36
"They"? Didnt it happen in Australia also?
Re: What's mor..
5 Jan 2023 1:07
What sins unto death? The way I understand it, most elders in the ACCA, ACCN, & ACF look at the fruit of the individual prior to reinstatement, and determine spiritual death by that.
The CAC has even recebtly reinstated people that the ACCA and ACF elders agreed not to reinstate in either group.
5 Jan 2023 4:52
The ACF doesn't reinstate a brother or sister that has committed a SUD.
I be interested that you back up your claim on the CAC position of you just said, using names and church's. Or if you can't, stop spreading lies.
5 Jan 2023 6:16
Im not naming names online, but elders in the ACF and ACCA would not accept a brother that had possibly blasphemed the Holy Spirit(by denying church authority). He was put in as an Elder in the CAC church in Bluffton.
5 Jan 2023 9:59
I'm not aware of the situation.
However, denying church authority can't be equated with blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. What if the church authority is wrong? or unbiblical?
spread only truth
5 Jan 2023 11:22
if someone is a member within the ACCA, doesnt need to spread part lies on the ACF or CAC, please!!!
it seems this way to me.
if a member has committed a sin unto death, the church needs to help the member to not go deeper into any other sin, but cannot be reinstated back as a free member of the church
please dont water down fact about what the church and elders within the ACCA have changed the biblical teaching of the sin unto death teaching.
if anyone has stepped over the red line, dont be drawn into it yourself...
if a church or a group of elders have stepped over the red line, you dont have to continue to be a partaker of other peoples sins
you can move to the ACCN, ACF or CAC to avoid being a partaker of grave sins
dont spread white lies to cover up the ACCA or try to justify what the ACCA has fundamentally changed the ordinances and practices of holy living
spread truth regardless if an elder or a church that i am with changes from the biblical teaching..........
5 Jan 2023 11:26
please explain which church in australia has accepted members that have committed sins unto death, please?
if its ACCN greenbank, the other australian ACCN churches and elders have stopped correspondence with greenbank church and its elder based on this error
6 Jan 2023 11:53
I was told that a Brisbane member who was divorced was allowed to remarry with approval of the Hungarian elder AND Australian leadership. If it is not true, forgive me, I must have misheard. If it is true, then thats the same as Americans accepting SUD back.
6 Jan 2023 15:54
I think that we got off topic here. I believe the question was in regards to the new hymnal in the ACCA. I personally don't have a copy and the new hymnal is not used in my particular congregation. I have however, been to a congregation that does use it. Most of the songs were sung from this book on this particular day. I only skimmed through the book and at the moment can not recall the hymns used. It is made up of both hymns and modern praise and worship. The Bible says in Ephesians 5:19 KJV: Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord. If the lyrics are Biblically correct can we condemn it? Then there is the question of the timing of the music such as the beat and rhythm of the music itself. I read a book once called, "Why Knock Rock". I don't remember the author's name, but he told a story of a missionary who came back to his mission after visiting back home. The man brought back "Christian Music" to the tribe. The tribe leaders went to him and said why do you play music that we use to use to bring up demons? We need to be careful.
6 Jan 2023 18:13
well, if thats true, then the hungarian and australian leadership that allowed that is in the wrong.
and still makes it unbiblical, whoever allowed it.
can you specify that case, if anyone knows?
Re: Spread Only Trut
26 Jan 2023 9:45
I know a guy that was excommunicated by the ACCA for fornication in the 90's that was contacted by an ACF elder soon after they formed and was invited back as a full member.
please verify detail
26 Jan 2023 11:37
which church was that member from?
which elders reinstated the member?
hard to believe this.....
is this true
26 Jan 2023 11:38
the ACF did not exist in the 90's
that was the ACCA (not the ACF)
so, get the facts right!!
To: Is this true
26 Jan 2023 13:48
To the above...did you even read the message? He said the ACF SOON AFTER IT WAS FORMED (the sin was in the 90s). Why is it hard to believe? Man is man everywhere. Theres all kinds of crap on ALL sides...YOU CANT RUN
26 Jan 2023 23:14
the ACF was formed in 2012
26 Jan 2023 23:15
give church, location, elder names and details to clarify
27 Jan 2023 4:52
Let me get this straight.
You know a guy that was excommunicated by the ACCA for fornication in the 90's.
And he was contacted by an ACF elder soon after they the ACF was formed in 2012.
And this guy was invited back as a full member in the ACF?
27 Jan 2023 8:35
I'm not giving elder names, I'm not like some of the people on here trying to trash others. I'm just telling you what happened. It seems that some people here think certain groups are the same across the board. Just because the elders in each conference get together and agree on certain things does not mean that they don't play things their way when they get back home.
27 Jan 2023 9:52
something doesn't add up
please clarify the details, please
Re: Re: Details
27 Jan 2023 11:53
Actually, everyone on here thinks certain groups are the same across the board. Particularly one person from Australia who continually berates people in the US who go to a church where bad things happen as if they "partake" in that sin. If you had nowhere else to go you wouldnt judge like that. I certainly dont think the Australian leadership is any better than the American or European.
here we go again
27 Jan 2023 14:52
people choose to go where they want to be part of.
..........neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
6. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
28 Jan 2023 2:03
Im not asking for names. Just confirm the details that i posted.
Another question, How well do you know this guy and this elder? Do you know them personally or did you ever call them to give you details?
30 Jan 2023 6:23
Can you please explain what CAC stands for, and how many churches are in their conference and how many members?
As far as the Faith side is concerned,why would they invite the excommunicated from the National church and accept him as a free member,when reinstatement was the cause of them forming another conference? I know from asking elders personally from the Faith side (quite a few of them) that they do not accept back into their fellowship neither souls who committed fornication or adultery. But if the case is true that one was invited back,why have another conference, go back where you came from. Birds of like feathers flock together.
30 Jan 2023 7:02
CAC stands for Christian Apostolic Church. They split off the German Apostolic Christian Church(1932) in 1955.
Up until 2015 the CAC were known to have approximately 150 members. I'm not sure how many elders.
They had 3 churches, Fairbury Illinois, Silverton Oregon, and Sabetha Kansas. A couple years ago, two more groups joined them. One from Ohio (not sure what town they gather in), and one from Bluffton Indiana.
30 Jan 2023 7:04
Sorry, I meant to say "up until 2021"
30 Jan 2023 10:36
sounds like members within the ACCA want to remain within the ACCA and think that their group and elders dont or didnt reinstate members that have committed sins unto death.
if you agree on this unbiblical change, remain there and state the truth what had happened.
if you dont agree, dont stay within the ACCA and comment what the CAC didnt do.
30 Jan 2023 14:55
The one in Akron is not with the main CAC. There is a breakaway CAC church in Fairbury, Illinois. They are with nobody. The split was years ago. Thats the group (its called the Steidinger group) that the Akron (Andras/Kolar) group is with.
30 Jan 2023 23:21
the Fairbury CAC is not with the other CAC churches?
when did this occur?
31 Jan 2023 4:22
The Faith elders didn't want a new conference, they wanted to remain as a group within the ACCA, but they reinstated an elder that the ACCA elder's had voted to take off of the pulpit. The ACCA elders chose to excommunicate the elders that reinstated that elder for going against the group decision. Other groups broke out of churches to join those elders.
Re CAC Clarification
31 Jan 2023 4:24
I have friends in the Andras group, and I know they travel to Sabetha and Silverton quite often.
31 Jan 2023 9:42
they removed an elder within the ACCA because of that?
was that elder in sin that was reinstated?
wasnt it a question on sins unto death change?
31 Jan 2023 14:10
@ CAC clarification
Nothing of what you said is correct.
The Andras group (akron), and the Dubach group (Bluffton) are both with the CAC as I've mentioned.
They had what they called a "unification service" in july of 2021.
31 Jan 2023 14:59
My appologies, I must have misunderstood. Was it the Doroslovac group in Akron who was trying to make connections with the Steidinger group about 2 or 3 years ago?
1 Feb 2023 0:34
So, is the Fairbury CAC on its own, or is with the other CAC churches?
1 Feb 2023 3:42
The Fairbury church is on its own and has been since the late 60s.
Re: oh wow
1 Feb 2023 8:03
I was told that the elder was removed from the pulpit for something along the lines of refusing baptism for girls not having their hair up, ect... the elder body removed his eldership, and 3 or 4 elders went up and reinstated his eldership without approval of the elder body.
I'm not 100% sure on the Sins unto death stuff, but I know there was a big thing about Christians not sinning after baptism. It had more to do with wether or not Christians sin daily. The ACCA elders said that Christ's blood covers past sin, and will cover future sin if a believer repents of it. Some ACF elders said that sin after baptism is dependant on works to be forgiven.
The point many ACCA elders had a problem with was this "We continue to believe that there are faults and failings in a believer’s life that are not sin and are not interchangeable with sin" the ACCA Elder Body said that this is a casual dismissal of sins that are not sins unto death.
1 Feb 2023 11:33
We in Australia are obviously not familiar with all these things. Nevertheless, it's all interesting to hear. It would help if you can include the number of attendants / members in each of these churches, just to give us some idea. Thanks.
2 Feb 2023 2:50
I'm not very familiar with the number of people in the ACF. I stick with the ACCN/ACCA. I think most of the ACF churches are just smaller groups aside from Regina and Lamar where they lost most of the church. They do not have a website, and I have never found a list of congregations. I can check with some friends that visit their churches to see if they have more information. I was told that it was less than 2,000 people including friends and Sunday school at the beginning. I was told that they have had a few small splits since then though.
2 Feb 2023 7:13
There were no small splits from the ACF to my knowledge. People just left to other fellowships.