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Gunfight at the O.K. Cottrell

Moderator
Australia
8 Feb 2023 11:29
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This week in Melbourne - the big shootout! Guns blazing!


The outlaws (always outnumbered but never outgunned):

- Janko Tomek
- Vlado "Ljubazni" Papuga


The law enforcers:

- Paul Pentsa
- Ferencz Szabo
- Ferencz Hegedesh
- Latsi Taba
- Mike Taba


Berean
Canada
9 Feb 2023 2:00
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Is that Ferencz Hegedesh from Oroshasa?

Moderator
Australia
9 Feb 2023 2:45
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I wouldn't know the origin of that gentleman.

confirmed
Australia
9 Feb 2023 8:40
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"YES" from Oroshaza

Moderator
Australia
9 Feb 2023 20:41
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BREAKING NEWS: The church meeting will take place at Mt Cottrell, on this Saturday 10 AM.

Only male members allowed!


Moderator
Australia
9 Feb 2023 20:48
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The outlaws will soon meet their destiny!



Alex
USA
12 Feb 2023 9:51
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I got to ask, why only male members?

To comment above
USA
12 Feb 2023 18:09
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Vlado and janko are afraid what the sisters know about them. Ask jankos wife why she hasn't been attending church for the last 3 yrs.shes afraid to confess his sin..was jank punished or disciplined for attending a nude bar and was having just a cold drink? He lied at first but then confessed because the brother that saw him snapped his license plate. These are the evil men that want to lead Melbourne church.if I was his wife I would not attend church either.

My American opinion
USA
12 Feb 2023 18:28
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I met brother Paul and truly believe he doesn't need All that drama with those sick unruly members. I told him retire and rejoice in your wife and travel the world again...life is too short. Let those who like evil continue in evil..clear and wash you hands from Australia..they will far apart when you are gone.

Moderator
Australia
12 Feb 2023 23:11
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So... Paul Pentsa has resigned from all his positions in Australia. Long overdue but anyway, wonderful to hear. Janko Tomek resigned from being an elder assistant. Again, long overdue, but nevertheless, a good news is a good news. That's already two scumbags less. But it seems that "Ljubazni" is still riding his horse, no punishment for him. Well, no probs, every dog has its day. His day will come.

As for those 4 elders... They were oblivious how much mess had pilled up over the years. Now they know. Avoid Australia, folks!

Please elaborate
Australia
12 Feb 2023 23:57
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What level of punishment did Paul Pentsa or Janko Tomek get for selling Altona Church without the Church agreeing?

more info please
Australia
13 Feb 2023 8:58
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- choosing to resign is not a level of punishment for their sins.
(this is an easy way to get around being accountable for your sins)
- being under the rod or excommunicated are levels of punishment.
- which one did they get for their sins?

Same as in USA
USA
13 Feb 2023 9:01
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This sounds just like Nikolson situation.

unbilivable
Australia
13 Feb 2023 9:38
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What trick did V.P.used to remained asistant??

Will "Ljubazni" V.P.restore J.T.to his previous position???

answer is this
Australia
13 Feb 2023 10:27
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2 timothy chapter 3, verse 13

while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

maybe
Australia
13 Feb 2023 11:56
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ljubazni must have used 'ponesite me u ljubavi'!!!!!

bio sam mlad, i nisam znao!!

European Elders
USA
13 Feb 2023 11:59
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Sad to say European Elders lost all respect in Melbourne how lousy job they did.the European Elders said it's more important to have peace than to seek out the truth.also they told PP that whosoever comes from Arnold's church must be re baptized again! PP said no way! That would be recrucifying Christ again. After pp saw the European Elders stupidity he said I am taking no part of your sins and it's my time to retire and live in peace and vlado who lied over and over can now continue to be their leader. The church was very disturbed of how ungodly the work was done by Ference the arrogant elder from Hungary and his group. Bunch of uneducated people..no common sense what's wrong and right.you want to know more talk to those Melbourne members.

Melbourne
USA
13 Feb 2023 14:58
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I thought Melbourne lifted European elders to heavenly heights. Guess thats in the dumpster now too.

Help me understand
USA
13 Feb 2023 15:03
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Why wasn't vlado dealt with his accusations against PP? Vlado was caught in a lying and yet the brother that brought this up in the meeting,the European Elders told him to go home and not come to church. Is this church practicing or being a cult?

hard to believe
Australia
13 Feb 2023 15:36
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which elders told that brother to go home and not come to church?
and
which brother was in question?

True repentance
Australia
13 Feb 2023 19:50
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How come Paul pentsa chooses to resign after getting Janko Tomek to do all the dirty & filthy work for all those years??????
Now he found a way to get Hanko Tomek down, so he can't be an Elder, even if it means fir him to resign.
Pentsa wanting to show others that he was so humble and meek!!
What about his sins & the sale of Altona Church without the Church agreeing?
How does he think he will get away with it?
If both Tomek & Pentsa choosing to resign, doesn't forgive their parst sins.
Confessing your sins, reversing your errors that you committed forgives your past sins.

Where is the true repentance?

to true above
Australia
13 Feb 2023 23:41
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Get over it. sook.

Atancione
Australia
14 Feb 2023 0:35
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Not to stress,a new chapter will begin soon.
Could be more interesting then previous.

True Words
Australia
14 Feb 2023 10:12
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Elders think that they are gods.

PSALM 82
1) God stands in the congregation of the mighty; He judges among the gods,
How long will you judge unjustly,and show partiality to the wicked?

6) I said,"you are gods,and you are children of the most high,
But you shell die like men,and fall like one of the princes"


Berean
Canada
14 Feb 2023 11:14
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@ True Words

Its ignorance at its best to use Psalm 82 and apply it to the elders of the church.

Maybe someone will quote 1 Kings 22:19-23 next:


19 Then Micaiah continued, “Listen to what the Lord says! I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the armies of heaven around him, on his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who can entice Ahab to go into battle against Ramoth-gilead so he can be killed?’

“There were many suggestions, 21 and finally a spirit approached the Lord and said, ‘I can do it!’

22 “‘How will you do this?’ the Lord asked.

“And the spirit replied, ‘I will go out and inspire all of Ahab’s prophets to speak lies.’

“‘You will succeed,’ said the Lord. ‘Go ahead and do it.’

23 “So you see, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all your prophets. For the Lord has pronounced your doom.”

read all parts
Australia
14 Feb 2023 11:23
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2 thess.2:

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

and further more
Australia
14 Feb 2023 11:24
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Matthew 23:2

.......The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

Moderator
Australia
14 Feb 2023 11:36
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And when it comes to the brethren-only church meetings, I wouldn't be so sure they are biblical.


Acts 1:


12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.

13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.

14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

this is clear
Australia
14 Feb 2023 11:38
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matthew 20:

25But Jesus called them aside and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their superiors exercise authority over them.
26It shall NOT be this way among you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,
27and whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave—
28just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”

can it be any clearer????

Ubelievable
Australia
15 Feb 2023 10:37
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Those Hugarians Elders didn't do the work in a right way; It was not done with the church. Church should not accept this type of work.

Both VP and JT were in the same boat, accusing (lying) about PP;
But JT hat to resign, and elders covered VP to stay as assistant El.

Figure that out????

So true
Australia
15 Feb 2023 18:33
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If they would of worked with the church, the truth would come out.
They were called to uphold scripture and establish the truth.
The truth was not important to them, only to have peace, but peace at the expense of truth is not peace.
Isaiah 59 vrs.14 says" And judgement is turned away backward, and justice standed afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter."15
Yea truth faileth; and he that departed from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgement.
When will they learn to do righteous judgement?

yes
Australia
15 Feb 2023 20:50
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Isaiah 59:14 is a very good verse!!!!!


they WILL learn to do righteous judgement when they repent from their proud look.
and
when they repent from NOT working with the Church for so many years.
and
when they repent from thinking that they are lords over Gods heritage.
and
when they repent from thinking that they govern Gods Church.
and
when they repent from believing that they are ABOVE the Church.
and
when they repent from believing that the Church cannot restrict them from working.
and
when they start serving the Church, instead of having authority.
and
the list goes on......................................................................................

PP
USA
16 Feb 2023 0:25
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You guys really believe he resigned on his own?

??
Australia
16 Feb 2023 1:06
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It remains a mystery how Hungerians elders made him to resign.

whats genuine
Australia
16 Feb 2023 11:36
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watering down facts, does not bring reconciliation before God....
true repentance does....
true confession does...
apologising does...
realising your mistakes and stating that you erred DOES....
EVERYTHING else does NOT bring reconciliation!!!!!

To comment above
USA
17 Feb 2023 14:36
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It mysteries how Hungarians had PP resign... Hungarian elders had nothing to do with PP retiring from Melbourne church.. PP wanted to retire a few years ago, but needed to put up an Elder to take over his eldership duties..which he did put up JP in Brisbane. Vlado is still with no guilt or shame using God's name is vain preaching,standing and lying. ..the church was not asked about the work that was done..the members had no say so, bullies are the Hungarian and German (so called) Elders who supports the lies of vlado..I too am a member of Australia.. I should know. We members proved vlado has lied over and over,yet the Hungarian elders said to the church that peace is more important than the truth. Where does that say in the bible.sick unspiritual false teaching. Glad they are gone and hope never to see their fake faces back in Australia.


Twice
USA
17 Feb 2023 15:09
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PP is the only elder in ACC history to be removed twice

Moderator
Australia
17 Feb 2023 16:49
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Removed or resigned willfully, same thing. That cruel, jealous, shifty little man won't be missed here in Australia. Not one bit. His reign was a disaster. He only cared about his position, number one, and his family, number two. Everyone else can go to hell, as far as he was concerned. Thank God, his only weapons were his idiotic letters and scolding his victims in front of the church. But don't be fooled! In some earlier times, he would be sending people to gallows, or to a burning stake, with zero remorse. It's very dangerous when such type of evil men get too much power. Again, glory to God, we won't hear of him anymore.



Shifty little boy
Australia
18 Feb 2023 1:27
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He probably thought when I bring a number of elders, it will definitely help remove tomek, not knowing that the European Elders are not that niave.
He ended up having to leave his position or the European Elders would have removed/punished him.
He obviously did it at the end of his journey that even if this does happen, he is in his old age.
Why didn't he call them 35 years ago, hay?

Also.....
Australia
18 Feb 2023 1:29
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He is probably also the only member that moved continents just to force himself to become an elder.....with such unreconciled issues from the church he came from.....that he didn't correct... .

Moderator
Australia
18 Feb 2023 1:42
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And just for the record: Pentsa was especially cruel and legalistic towards those elderly Nazarenes who served many years in prison for refusing to take arms. He feared they would be a threat to his position.

Same goes for my father-in-law. Never gave any credit to those who were imprisoned for the Lord. Always putting them down.

Really??
USA
18 Feb 2023 1:56
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Is that true that he looked down on the former prisoners? I never heard that. In what way would he put them down and how did he think they were a threat?

He didn't call them 35 years ago because he didn't want to get other elders involved. But now the Europeans worked together with Americans and he had nowhere to run.

Sad but true
Australia
18 Feb 2023 2:03
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They had to do that to continue in their sin.

They couldnt suffer ANY intolerance from members that proved their filthy unbiblical teachings, attitudes & actions.......

How long would THEY have suffered to be in prison for the Lord??????????

If they would have confessed their sin, repented from their sin, and were healed from their sin, most would then respect them.
But, many are still sleeping & God has sent them a STRONG delusion that they should believe in lies.

2 Thessalonians 2:11

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Moderator
Australia
18 Feb 2023 2:04
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Yes, it's very much true. PP, Janko Tomek, my father-in-law, Gabor Dostan from Adelaide, Matea Lincu from Sydney, and a few more, that's that group of stinkers who elevated themselves above everyone else. They were "holy" and everyone else was garbage. Years and decades like that. But PP was the ringleader, it was always him running the show.

Very happy
USA
22 Feb 2023 0:00
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Actually I am very happy that PP has truly retired as an Elder from Australia. He has been fighting for keep those members in line but they are some wild people there. He now can truly live and love life and travel with his kind, lovely wife. If he was so evil as you moderator post, why can she love him so much? They seem very happy to me every time I see them together. He treat her and respect's her...don't be so jealous....how's you wife doing lately.

Moderator
Australia
22 Feb 2023 0:16
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>>They seem very happy to me every time I see them together.

Why don't you ask them to adopt you? Then you can be a real family.

Look, I don't know much about PP's relationship with his new wife and it's not my business to know. It's also not a topic this website cares about.

But the history remembers many (in)famous couples, like Napoleon and Josephine, Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun, Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu, Tito & Jovanka, Bonnie & Clyde, etc. All of them appeared to be quite a good match and devoted to each other... so, why not? Love is everywhere, it knows no boundaries.

To Very Happy
USA
22 Feb 2023 7:03
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Haha, hi Maria!

Very happy
USA
22 Feb 2023 16:02
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Who are you to call me a women's name, you offend me,I will have you know that I do not appreciate being called that name. So what is your name very sad person? And why are you so sad?

Modeerator
Australia
22 Feb 2023 16:53
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This "Very happy" is the same sick guy from Denver, Colorado, who's been harassing this website for years. His pleasure is to post some nonsensical garbage and when I remove it, he complains the website does not allow the "truth".

The sicko's been constantly changing nicknames, devices and IP addresses. Ok, I will now use a different strategy against this vermin. Very soon I will reveal his identity and post it here - name, surname, age, occupation. Then I will collect all his garbage he's been sending me over the years (it's all sitting in my inbox, as I always receive a notification when someone posts something here) and send it first to PP and his wife, so that they see what admirers they have, then I will send the same to all church ministers in Colorado, and also to this sicko's employers, if I find out who they are.

Something like 5 years ago there was another vermin, this time from Hungary, a wannabe "hacker" hired by Shandor Heveshi (who at that time lived in Budapest). Once this dude figured out that the website cannot be hacked, he started posting offensive messages and threats. So I sent him his name, home address, the name of the company where he worked, as well as the name of a cyber-crime agency in EU in charge of prosecuting such offenders. All that worked beautifully, never ever heard of him again.


very good
Australia
22 Feb 2023 19:27
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done well, moderator.

this person from Colorado might even be fraud-a-scent dude junior paulie pentsa!!!

maybe??

Moderator
Australia
22 Feb 2023 19:53
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I don't know, but I would be very disappointed if it was Paulie.

It doesn't look like that. This guy is some lonely creep, but close to the Pentsas.. he's not doing this out of any belief, it's more like some sick amusement to him. Well, it's gonna hit him back and he won't be laughing.

New news
USA
26 Feb 2023 6:47
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Jim and Mark are planning to go to Australia to visit vlado and janko.and do bapt there..interesting how liars like to congregate together..Jim did say many times he has no interest to work in Australia..what happened? Another of his many lies.ask montrell church if they are aware of this... oops they don't work with the church. Members mean nothing to them.sick sinful leaders now in montrel..also Donald tomek, jankos son needs to be expelled for what sin he committed with the sister in vista church.no Wonder he has no peace in his heart. You members in jankos church need to ask yourselves why his wife stopped going to church for the past 3 yrs..hiding her and jankos sin? Common Jim you are now acting like a life saver for them..stand up for the truth...but you too are a very wishy washy boy. Grow up or resign from your position and let a real man take over.

Moderator
Australia
26 Feb 2023 11:58
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That's a very vicious attack, "New News", Colorado Springs, T-Mobile USA, OnePlus Nord N300 5G. I don't approve this style of commenting.

You are that same vermin that I warned before. Ok, help us people identify this creep.

maybe
Australia
26 Feb 2023 21:57
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could paul pentsa be indicating to the north american elders how he created peace in australia by stepping down from eldership??

(yet he didnt confess his sins, apolgise for his sins, nor repent from his sins)

and

now this may have trigged the north american elders to come and assist in australia?

Moderator
Australia
13 Mar 2023 0:09
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This thread is now closed and continues here:

Mt Cottrell church to pay $10,240
http://www.accn-australia.com/Page1.php?topic/5962/mt-cottrell-church-to-pay-10240


 

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