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COLUMBIA STATION: Elders Involvement
Mike Petras
USA
17 Jan 2017 15:35
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Dear ACCN Australia Website Moderator,

Can you please post my comment with my document attachment to topic Discrimination-Columbia Station Church?

Thanking you again.

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Greetings to all believers,

We are responding to comments for those who desire proof that the elder's allowed us to go to court. Let's first clarify that the court proceedings were not to sue or to take action for Mr. Petar and Mr. Doral Stefan to go to jail, but ONLY to restore the name back to the original name, Apostolic Christian Church Nazarene, Inc. and the desire for all members to resume fellowshipping in their home church.

Please see and read the attached letter AGAIN from the lawyer stating that this was not an action to sue!

We also have a voice recording of a meeting that took place with the elder committee where we updated them of our court case. They prayed for us and for God to help us to open the church.

I have also attached a letter dated Oct-24-2016 from ACCN committee where the elder brothers admitted the proceeding a legal declaration as to the rightful owner of the church property.

Further I am attaching the elders communication with the Stephan's and their response to the elders.

Thank you and God bless you all.
Mike Petras
Moderator
Australia
17 Jan 2017 15:40
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Complete document:
http://www.accn-australia.com/Forum/Documents/ColumbiaStation04.pdf

ELDERS COMMOTEE
Australia
17 Jan 2017 17:23
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Elders letter written on Oct.24-2016 clearly states they did not authorized Petras's to file civil litigation.
Recording date
Australia
17 Jan 2017 22:42
13183 views
What date was the recording of your meeting with the elders?
Moderator
Australia
18 Jan 2017 15:24
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This is how it goes when issues are not resolved within the church...

http://www.chroniclet.com/cops-and-courts/2015/11/20/Church-sues-three-trustees-alleging-they-tried-to-take-over-building.html
Moderator
Australia
19 Jan 2017 15:21
12993 views
From: Mihal Petras

I would like to clarify how Petar Stephan obtained the original document of the Columbia Station property (deed/title) from Brother Jon Patrutz, who put his house as collateral against the loan for the church property.

Brother Jon Patrutz was put under a lot of pressure from David Nicholson, Petar Stephan and Dorel Stephan until he gave them the deed. He was then put under disciplined and was shunned after they received the deed.

Brother Jon Patrutz wanted to be a free member so he can bring prayer in the church, so in three different members meeting in the presence of David Nicholson and the church members Jon Patrutz asked for forgiveness and was denied ALL three times.

He even wrote a letter to certain members that would not forgive him asking for forgiveness and was not forgiven.

What’s really sad about this is that brother Jon Patrutz became very sick and died under discipline.
Jon Petruca
USA
19 Jan 2017 16:11
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Thankfully God will be the judge for Jon Petruca and not the elders. Likewise for everyone of us. How terribly sad that he died this way. Stefans and Nicholson have a lot to answer for.
Columbia Station
Australia
19 Jan 2017 17:44
12959 views
Dear MODERATOR!
Don't you see Petras's sending always same documents again and again.
That is sickening: Why are you allowing to post them here?


Moderator
Australia
19 Jan 2017 17:47
12957 views
Same documents?
>>>Columbia Station
Australia
19 Jan 2017 21:51
12916 views
>>>>>>>Dear MODERATOR! comment

At least the documents posted are the truth of what happened. The Petras family didn’t write the court documents, neither did they tell the court what to write! ALL the court documents should be posted as the court wrote those documents NOT the Petras family.
Now people can read them all and decide who is doing what.
Moderator
Australia
19 Jan 2017 22:23
12906 views
Luckily, there is no shortage of court documents..
Jon Patrutz
Australia
19 Jan 2017 22:43
12890 views
for what reason was Jon Patrutz put under discipline?

who put him under discipline?
Patrutz
Australia
19 Jan 2017 23:03
12883 views
Yeah, why was Patrutz put under discipline? We’ll probably never know cause there’s no court documents to establish every word...
Reply
USA
19 Jan 2017 23:36
12856 views
To the "dear Moderator" comment....that news article above your comment is true too, is it not? Well then lets decide.............
Why?
USA
20 Jan 2017 4:52
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Why is it "sickening" that they are posting their court documents here? They should be here!
Why?
Australia
20 Jan 2017 9:22
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Why it is "sickening? Because sickness is a warning for death.
And when we r sick, we need to go to the doctor and get medication.
Sickness comment
Australia
20 Jan 2017 10:18
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The church has to correct what has been done! That is the sickness!!!!!! EVERYONE that is apart of the ACCN is involved as 3 churches have been stolen in 2 continents.
Not sure?
Australia
20 Jan 2017 10:18
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I'm not sure but...wasn't Jon Patrutz put under discipline when petras group and stefan group where together as one? B/c petras and stefans persuaded that others in Columbia station members didn't like Jon any longer? And wasn't it Jon that teamed up with petras and stefans against the rest of the church. And Jon started arguing with many members and saying really rotten things? Sure Jon should have been forgiven as soon as he asked for forgiveness, but by then the petras and stefan group didn't need Jon any longer. I am not sure maybe mihal or mike can remember and let us know. I know it's embarrassing and hard to tell the whole truth but you petras' couldn't let things be. Stefans were the thinkers and petras' where the doers and big mouths to disturb the peace in Columbia station. Maybe I'm wrong...I'm not sure
Let me guess?
Australia
20 Jan 2017 10:36
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Petras' are at fault for Patrutz too??? ... wowww! It's so easy to blame one person for EVERYTHING ... If only it worked that way ...
Not Sure?
USA
20 Jan 2017 10:37
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You are correct.
Not sure?
Australia
20 Jan 2017 10:39
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I'm not sure but...Jon wouldn't have gone through any of this if it wasn't for petras and his mouth stirring things up, and stefans just sat back and watched and laughed as the church was breaking apart. Petras thought he was in on the plan with stefans but they plan alone and used petras and his other big mouths to disturb everyone's peace and destroy the church. Sorry mihal, but had you stayed in Australia this would not have happened, b/c stefans were always trying to stir up trouble but didn't want to be put under discipline so he used the petras'. And mihal you didn't see it coming b/c you don't think first....you talk too much first, then realise you were wrong, then realise you were used. The problem with that is that you cause problems everywhere you go. I'm not sure but...dave nikolson should have placed petras group and stefan group under discipline for all the lies and problems they stirred up. Petras and stefan group...what goes around comes around. You all make me sick trying to make yourselves look like the innocent ones in all this. You started this and God will finish it his way by bringing all sin to come out and in the light. This is Gods' way of letting the petras, stefans and all that were together with them in this sick plot to destroy Columbia station, to repent of your sins.
Yup!
USA
20 Jan 2017 10:46
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You don't need to "not be sure" any longer. Because everything you said is 100% undiluted truth. It's about time the truth is said on this subject.

Mind you, David Nikolson is not an angel either in all this. He fueled the fire too.
Columbia Station
Australia
20 Jan 2017 10:49
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To "Not Sure:" Amen, brother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Moderator
Australia
20 Jan 2017 12:02
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Regarding Mr. Nikolson and this website, many things have been written against him and I just want to make clear that he is more than welcome to join us here and explain his positions. Everyone has a right to defend themselves. Of course, whether Mr. Nikolson wants to use that right or not is up to him.
Columbia Station
Australia
20 Jan 2017 13:50
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Who’s responsible to taking the title from Jon, putting him under punishment and stealing the church???
Dave Nikolson
Australia
20 Jan 2017 13:55
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To the person that said that Dave Nikolson should have placed Petras' and Steffan's under discipline, you have NO commone sense!
Look at what he had done? He has more corruption scandals than anyone else, INCLUDING stealing Columbia Station! Racism, cheque scandals, swearing under oath...
Who's resp.?
USA
20 Jan 2017 13:56
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Dave Nikolson! If Brother George B. had not been retired this would not have happened.
Reply
USA
20 Jan 2017 14:03
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to the "Dave Nikolson" comment (13:50)...does that mean that you stand up for Misa?
Reply
USA
20 Jan 2017 14:05
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Sorry, I meant the one labeled (13:55). It's hard to post comments to people because there's so many of the same user names. Can the moderator perhaps number the comments? It might make it easier maybe? I don't know.
Moderator
Australia
20 Jan 2017 14:36
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Well, if we can somehow force people to follow the instructions and stick to only one user name, it would be easier to read these discussions and refer to each other's comments.
Dave Nikolson
Australia
20 Jan 2017 15:05
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I do NOT stand up to stealing a church! Altona North and Columbia Station NEED to be RETURNED!!! There's no standing up for anyone! YOU DO NOT STEAL A CHURCH!
Not sure?
Australia
20 Jan 2017 16:11
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In the Bible it says, "Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons." You seem to be defending the petras' in your comments, but don't deny that the petras group nor the stefan group were working as a team, and aren't involved in any corruption scandals themselves, only that Dave Nikolson has more than anyone else. No one likes to see a church stolen.
Stealing
Australia
20 Jan 2017 16:44
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Where in the Holy Bible does it say that it is okay to take what is NOT yours and sell it? Altona North was stolen and sold when it did not belong to them! Columbia Station was stolen and is now in the process of being sold. It DOES NOT BELONG TO THE THEIVES!!!
Where in the Bible does God give you the okay to steal? Explain?
Support
Australia
20 Jan 2017 17:10
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Instead of looking at supporting this person or that person, how about looking at the stealing as a sin itself? Do you support stealing the Altona North church and kicking the members out? Regarding Columbia Station, obviously you hate the Petras', I get that, but do you support stealing the church building, kicking everyone that was left and selling it for profit?
Quote Apostle Paul again, but this time quote where he said taking what's not yours is not a sin and that stealing is permitted.
Not sure?
Australia
20 Jan 2017 17:49
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We all should know that stealing is a sin and what happened to Altona and Columbia is very sick and troubling. I never said I hate the petras', you are saying that I do and you're wrong. I'm saying I don't like what the petras' did from the beginning with the stefans. They broke the peace in Columbia station. Now their peace is broken and the petras' are blaming dave and stefans b/c they lost in court. Why didn't petras group come out and say these things about elders before. But only when they lost, now the elders are wrong. If the court findings went the other way, would all these things be brought out, I doubt it. Like I said this happened this way b/c God wants all those involved to ask for forgiveness.
Lost
Australia
20 Jan 2017 18:25
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Petras' are not lost! Just because the elders or people hate and reject them doesn't mean they are lost. It doesn't matter what you think of them. Stealing is wrong and is against the law! If the Petras' did wrong in original breakdown of Columbia Station they will be held accountable for that, so will EVERYONE involved in stealing Columbia STation!
Lost
Australia
20 Jan 2017 18:27
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They DID ask for forgiveness so did Jon Patrutz!
important
Australia
20 Jan 2017 18:39
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taking ownership of a Lords house, is what the topic is all about here.

whoever did it, doing it or will do it, is an open sin, and clearly sinful action or coveting AND stealing.

whether its in the US, Australia, Romania, Middle east, Middle west or Middle south....

wherever anyone has done it, is doing it, or will do it, is an open sin, and clearly sinful action of coveting AND stealing.
the LORD'S house is not mine, your's or our's. its the LORD'S.
this is what the topic is all about here.

is there ANYONE that finds this unclear.

if: I, we, you, them, they, him, her, elders, brothers, sisters, ministers....etc need to be punished, fine, they need to be punished, but this is not what the topic is about.

its about taking of the LORD'S house as someone's ownership so it/he/she/they can sell it WITHOUT the members agreeing for it.
To mike
Australia
26 Jan 2017 10:20
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Where is the voice recording you have from elder meeting and what does it say. The whole recording, not edited parts. You will have to do better than this to prove your Groups involvement was not in the wrong or trying to be manipulative either. Show us concrete evidence not just letters you guys are writing to elders. By not posting original documents you are proving to us that your group is clearly trying to avoid anymore humiliation upon yourselves for your involment in Columbia Stations final days. As far as I'm concerned, with the evidences shown here, I have to agree that the petras and stefans group should be disciplined unless there is more evidence to prove otherwise.
To To Mike
Australia
26 Jan 2017 10:55
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What is seriously wrong with you? Do you really think that Mike or the those that attended the meetings with the elders are lying? Hang tight, time is going to reveal all and from what Mike is showing here they have nothing to hide! Looking forward to EACH and EVERY update!
The the elders involved need to removed as elders immediately! You DO NOT steal a church building and break the law of the land you live in!
To To Mike
Australia
26 Jan 2017 10:58
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>>>>>>>"As far as I'm concerned"
...obviously this is not concerning you
To mike
Australia
26 Jan 2017 11:26
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I am a concerned reader b/c there are now fewer churches i can visit if I ever go to USA. Plus this website is to show all spiritual abuse in the ACCN to all concerned. I understand petras group may have asked for forgiveness for their involvement and they should be forgiven if they asked. We just want to see all evidence from both sides. That's all.
To To Mike
Australia
26 Jan 2017 11:38
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Well there is one church you definitely will not be able to attend bc it was STOLEN! That's concerning enough! Do you attend know how Altona North is doing?
To concerned
Australia
26 Jan 2017 11:44
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We are interested in finding the truth about what, who and how things were said and done so this doesn't happen again. So far I am pursuaded to believe that whoever is trustees in the ACCN and hold the deed, they can sell or steal a church whenever they feel.
Moderator
Australia
26 Jan 2017 11:49
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Today is a public holiday here in Australia, we won't be posting any new documents. Thank you for your understanding.
court process
Australia
26 Jan 2017 12:13
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it sounds like people are looking for a written letter from the committee elders allowing the court process.

i think this is what people are looking for.

i mean, as in black and white, not letters to and fro elders and columbia station members about the disagreement, but as in written evidence of the committee elder/s allowing the court process to start.

can this be presented?
Response
USA
26 Jan 2017 15:19
12072 views
No because it doesn't exist.
Stolen Church
Australia
26 Jan 2017 16:52
12060 views
The questioning of the quarrels is an attempt to divert the attention elsewhere and from the fact that the elders participated in helping 3 trustees steal a church.
Missing Link
Australia
26 Jan 2017 17:02
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It's bizarre that people aren't questioning what is happening to the building. The documents supplied on this site indicate where the money will go after the sale, a list of people will be given $2000 for their membership and the rest will be divided amongst the 3 church thieves and go to their legal expenses.
It's been documented that they spent the church’s funds on paying for their legal fees in stealing the church and in hiring an investigator to investigate it's remaining members.
I think there is a missing link in people's minds when it comes to the evidence supplied here, or ........... it’s just a choice to stand with church thieves and the elders that helped steal a church. You’re no different then the church thieves if you support them!!!!!!!
Missing Link
Australia
26 Jan 2017 17:09
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Money donated to the church was used to: A. Hire an investigator to investigate it’s members. B. Hire an attorney to take over and steal the church.
Do any of the Steffan supporters want this to happen to them?????? Maybe all the elders and thieve supporters should feel what it’s like to have someone do this to them
Response
USA
26 Jan 2017 23:52
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Why do people assume that just because we question the role of the Petras family that we automatically think the theives are innocent? We know the theives are guilty now we're just trying to figure out if someone ELSE is guilty AS WELL. Why is this so hard to understand?
To response
Australia
26 Jan 2017 23:55
12012 views
Thank you, you are most correct.
To Missing Link
Australia
26 Jan 2017 23:58
12011 views
Can you please point me into the right direction where in this site it indicates where the money wil go and how much. And also the mentioning of hiring an investigator.
Response
Australia
27 Jan 2017 2:01
11995 views
Who appointed you a judge to investigate if the Petras’ are also at fault???? CLEARLY you are a Steffen and Elder thief supporter! I don’t see you questioning David’s involvement or the things Dorel blurted out in the deposition. YOU should have experienced someone pulling out the tares from your church; lets say that was done to you and you were the tare someone was pulling out!!!!! How about questioning ALL the members who support/ed the Steffens, what ARE they getting from the Steffens stealing the church? This is not a difficult conspiracy, so many people seem to be involved and you want to be the judge the Petras’????? What IS your involvement in this?? If you want to judge, judge righteously starting from YOUR motives and WHERE’S THE CHURCH?????????? You live in America, Where is the Columbia Station church building???? What are you getting from trying to distract people from questioning where the church is: why was it stolen and where is the building NOW??????? What is your story??????? What is your involvement?????? What are you getting from this?????? This is NOT a small matter to steal a church!!!!!!!
Why?
USA
27 Jan 2017 3:24
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Oh stop acting so childish. No one here is supoorting elders or thieves. You're probably in America too since you seem to be supporting the Petras. In fact you probably are a Petras.
Why?
USA
27 Jan 2017 3:45
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You asked who appointed him a judge to investigte the Petras'involvement.

The same person that appointed you to say only the Stefans and elders are at fault is the same person who appointed the rest of us to question the Petras' involvement too.
why
Australia
27 Jan 2017 3:56
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To Why? You lied. People here do support the thieves and elders involved and you’re one of them!!!! Is childish to question the theft of a house that dedicated to service of Lord?????? If the Petras’ at fault I do NOT support their wrong!!!!! BUT you on the other hand are DESPERATELY trying to distract the evidence placed on this site against the elders involved and thieves, it’s like you’re acting ignorant on purpose!!!! I’m questioning your motives, perhaps you’re related to the Stiffens or those involved or maybe you are involved??? Maybe you’re a Steffen and you’re trying to justify your actions …….
why
Australia
27 Jan 2017 3:58
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Did the Petras' steal a church and allocate where the funds would go even when they know they did not pay for the building???
why
Australia
27 Jan 2017 4:04
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are the Petras’ involved in stealing the house of Lord??? Judge righteously ... Where you at the church dedication when Columbia Station was dedicated to the service of the Lord??? Was the church dedicated to the Steffens and David at that time??? Was the Steffens known to be the founders of the church???
why
Australia
27 Jan 2017 4:06
11954 views
judge righteously, or judge not at all
Why?
USA
27 Jan 2017 4:11
11948 views
You are such a Petras it's not even funny. Nobody spends all night in Australia writing comments on this website. It's day here in USA. You are a Petras and you are using a proxy server to make it look like you're writing from Australia.

Nobody is supporting Stefans here. They are thieves and so are the elders. I have not read one single comment on this entire website that supports either the Stefans or David Nikolson or any elder for that matter. Where you are coming up with this I don't know. ALL THE EVIDENCE IS HERE THAT THEY ARE GUILTY!!!!!!! HOW CAN ANYONE DENY IT?????? I am not a Stefan nor am I related to them in any possible way nor am I friends with them. You said, "what about the other people who were involved?" Well, let's hear about it!! Who else has to do with the stealing?? I am sure not blaming ONLY the Stefans and the PETRAS' (Yes I blame both of them) but it's the only ones that I KNOW about. If there's more involved, let's hear about it. Obviously you seem to know everyone who is involved since you say what about the other people. Everyone who is involved is GUILTY.
why
Australia
27 Jan 2017 4:16
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you too will judged in the same manner as you judge! I don't know what a proxy sever is, but it doesn’t even matter bc you’re with the thieves
Why?
USA
27 Jan 2017 4:23
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In response to your question, no, actually I don't believe the Stefans were even "founders" (whatever that means). If anyone was a founder it was John and Viorica, the Dolingas and the Mius.
Child
Australia
27 Jan 2017 8:49
11838 views
To the Aussie who is acting like a child, please stop judging others that we are supporting the elders and stefans. Like you say many times here, there will be more facts coming out soon, and we too want to see them. As for the petras group, they are extremely humiliated by what they did together to the true believers of God in Columbia station that now they want to fix it. But it's too late, they helped the stefans kick everyone out and now the elders and stefans kicked the petras group out. I'm sorry but what goes around comes around. Sure the elders, that helped, and stefans are guilty of stealing the church. We aren't saying they're not.
To Child
USA
27 Jan 2017 9:45
11818 views
You couldn't have said it better. The bottom line is is that this could have all been prevented if Dave Nikolson didn't give the Stefans the church title. Sadly just like Janko Tomek got away with stealing the Altona church and Pentsa stealing the Sydney church so will Dave get away with stealing the Columbia Station church. Are elders not accountable to anyone anymore? Do the churches not have a voice in there leadership anymore? What is happening to our faith?
Thieves
Australia
27 Jan 2017 10:07
11807 views
Stealing Altona church; Pentsa was behind that.
Janko Tomek was the tool in PP hand to carry out the order.
Question is; why was Tomek soooo loyal to PP?
Thieves
USA
27 Jan 2017 10:34
11800 views

JT is loyal cause he is still waiting for PP to annoint him as elder. Question is why was Dave Nikolson so loyal to the Stefans? Perhaps all you Australians can ask Dave to explain this situation along with all the other court cases he was involved with when he goes to Altona in February. Seems like the U.S. Is not getting any explanations from him. Perhaps the thought is if you ignore it, it will go away?
Moderator
Australia
27 Jan 2017 10:38
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PP, Joe Ruzeu and Ceda Bekic ("the three caring brothers") bought the Sydney church back from the bank for 560,000 Australian dollars, give it or take it. This should be a "good investment" from their perspective as the real estate in Sydney is red hot and they will probably be able to sell it for over a million.

Of course, Mr Pentsa is more than welcome to send his corrections and clarifications, as he did in the past.
CURIOUS
USA
27 Jan 2017 10:49
11784 views
Wow! very disturbing and sad!
Thieves
Australia
27 Jan 2017 10:53
11782 views
Australians patiently waiting to see more Columbia Sta.court documents.
CURIOUS
USA
27 Jan 2017 11:05
11776 views
U.S. patiently waiting for the court minutes of the judges decision also.
Thieves
Australia
27 Jan 2017 11:20
11769 views
Yes, why is JT loyal to PP? Are they covering up about each other?
Will there be another court case in Mt.Cottrell?
Moderator
Australia
27 Jan 2017 11:42
11766 views
We also have the complete Petar Stefan's deposition (350 pages). It may be less interesting for you than his son's deposition. Petar is an old (born in 1942) and not so educated man, and speaks very basic English.
sydney church
Australia
27 Jan 2017 14:11
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how did PP, Joe Ruzeu and Ceda Bekic buy sydney church for $560K?

bekic is only a canadian citizen, and how can he purchas australian property?

what was the loan amount on sydney church?

$560K is well under price for arncliffe suburb.

i find it hard to believe this.....
Moderator
Australia
27 Jan 2017 14:16
11707 views
Haven't seen this before?
sydney church
Australia
27 Jan 2017 14:23
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do their names being on the mortgage mean they bought it?

the title indicates these names on the title, yeah?

are they not Lincu, Kovacevic and Veres ?
Moderator
Australia
27 Jan 2017 14:42
11697 views
What do you think who wrote this:

3 sides to story!
Australia
4 Jan 2017 0:44

Yes there are always 3 sides to each story, each side has there version, which makes it two, and then there is the truth, which makes it three. But the truth is very seldom reported on this site. Even though the "Moderator" Wrote on 9 October 2016 11.50 to encourage users to use the site and to warn that users are to "refrain from rude language and insults. These comments that contain False Statements or profanity will be deleted"

Yet The Moderator makes false statements on above article, even though he knows the Truth. Which brethren were "persecuted" and by whom? Were not the members of Sydney church in danger of having their church building sold by the bank that had given (loaned) money to the False and fraud Trustees, L.K. and his Sons, who used that money for their private purposes and left the church members with the burden of raising money to pay out the more than half a million plus interest and cost to the bank! Had it not been for some caring brothers, the banks would have sold the church. And the thieves still enjoy the use of that money they borrowed against the Sydney Church Building, which they never repaid back! And the Moderator implies, or so it seems that these have been "persecuted"! Talk about "turning a blind eye"!!
CURIOUS
USA
27 Jan 2017 16:34
11674 views
The Moderator has only provided factual undisputed proof on this site.
Humanity
Australia
27 Jan 2017 22:12
11647 views
To the commentator of "child" where's your humanity? Maybe when you meet Jesus it will be too late for you to repent for your sins. Maybe God will respond with closed doors to your repentance and say IT'S TOO LATE 4 U!
Keep showing your glorious colours of ignoring the 7x70 rule!
When one is sorry for their sins that is a HUGE step before God and the very step that will miraculously set you free.
Re: Sydney church new owners: you've got yourself a good investment property. Money is always a motive, it was never to save the church!
Repentance
USA
27 Jan 2017 23:30
11610 views
If it's true that the Petras' repented then let's leave them alone.

To the above comment, yes, it's true that repentance is a huge step toward God. How about you try it instead of writing such judgemental comments.
Ready
Australia
27 Jan 2017 23:42
11605 views
I am ready to meet God today and I hope Jesus comes tonight.
Child
Australia
28 Jan 2017 8:56
11532 views
Oh my sweet dear child, how quick you are to judge. I did nor say anything harmful to you or anyone but you seem to call me a sinner and condemn me to hell fire. I forgive everyone who say they have repented including you for judging me. As for the Sydney church, areyou saying that...money is always a motive, it was never to save the church? Could this also have been the motive for mihal petras...I know he kept saying he just wanted to save the church and give it back to the people. According to our sweet child who seems to know everything, it's money that is the motivator. Makes me ? Mihals motives even more.
Repentance
Australia
28 Jan 2017 9:08
11528 views
Very interesting; If Petrases repented and ask for forgiveness,this means they acknowledge that they were in the wrong all along.
If one is in the right,has nothing to repent for.
Ecclesiastes 4:1-3
Australia
28 Jan 2017 9:41
11518 views
4 So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of such as were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side [1] of their oppressors there was power; but they had no comforter. 2 Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive. 3 Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 5:13
Australia
28 Jan 2017 9:44
11516 views
13 There is a sore evil which I have seen under the sun, namely, riches kept for the owners thereof to their hurt. 14 But those riches perish by evil travail: and he begetteth a son, and there is nothing in his hand.
Dear sweet child
Australia
28 Jan 2017 9:52
11510 views
Dear sweet child, I wasn’t condemning you, you condemned yourself by your own words:
“As for the petras group, they are extremely humiliated by what they did together to the true believers of God in Columbia station that now they want to fix it. But it's too late, they helped the stefans kick everyone out and now the elders and stefans kicked the petras group out. I'm sorry but what goes around comes around.”

You said it was too late for someone to repent, I was simply saying according to God’s word you will be judged in manner you judge other, so what if God said to you, it’s too late and what goes around comes around?

He who is without sin cast his first stone…. Those who stole the ACCN churches need to return it and repent for stealing!
To: Repentance
Australia
28 Jan 2017 9:56
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Repenting is good and healthy, if they asked for forgiveness that is beautiful. Everyone who was involved with Columbia Station sinned in one way or another. We’re now talking about people who have taken a building and are profiting from a place that was dedicated to serving God.
Do you stubble daily or not fall into sin or error? Apolstal Paul said he dies daily to his sin. You make it sound like everyone is blameless and the Petras’ are at a fault entirely, even for a church being stolen, when they did everything to prevent it from being sold.
CURIOUS
USA
28 Jan 2017 9:57
11503 views
Perhaps what is meant by ...it's too late... Is that the damages that have been done cannot be corrected. Yes if Petrases repent they can be forgiven but the damage done is lasting.
CURIOUS
USA
28 Jan 2017 10:01
11499 views
To: To Repentance, I agree the focus now should be on those that stole the church and the elder who allowed it to happen.
Child
Australia
28 Jan 2017 10:27
11491 views
USA you are correct again, thank you
Response
USA
28 Jan 2017 10:30
11488 views
Boy is this confusing with all the different usernames. I vote the Moderator ban it.

To the mean Australian (not the nice one), I hope the Petras' did not repent in the same way you repented, I hope they did better than that. You claim to be "ready" yet you condemn us to hell fire for questioning the motives of others besides the Stefans and elders. Someone who is ready for our dear Lord's return is not one who says those who question Mihal will burn.
Child
Australia
28 Jan 2017 10:38
11478 views
To response...I too hope and pray that the petras' repented a better repentance than this Aussie child. The Lord is loving and patient and doesn't want any to burn in hell fire. It's nice to witness that the Lord knows when we are ready to go and take us home, and that He doesn't see that this person is ready for Him yet. Obviously you're still with us writing again today.
Child
Australia
28 Jan 2017 10:49
11474 views
To the Aussie...please don't try and twist my words around. I didn't intend to write that the petras group can't be forgiven.
still waiting
Australia
28 Jan 2017 11:43
11450 views
Dear Moderator!
We don't need Petar Stefan's court documents.
We want to see Petras's DEPOSITION here.
CURIOUS
USA
28 Jan 2017 12:13
11439 views
Peter Stefans court documents will echo what his son said. We need the other side. The Petras'.
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